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SHOULD CONSERVATIVES FUMIGATE THE BIG TENT TO REMOVE LIBERALS?
US News and Views, www.USNewsAndViews.com ^ | May 17, 2009 | Jonathon Moseley

Posted on 05/17/2009 11:48:59 AM PDT by Moseley

The Republican Party certainly does require a "Big Tent" -- the kind of tent we sometimes see covering a house infested with termites. Unless conservatives can rid the GOP of Democrats hiding out in their midst, the Republican Party can never recover. Liberals are sapping the GOP's strength from within.

It now seems that a looming divorce within the GOP has grown inevitable. Unless the Republican Party returns to its conservative principles, a number of conservatives will go on strike. They feel it is no longer acceptable for conservatives to do most of the hard work of winning elections, while the Party leaders promote mainly liberal policies. A new Party could even be the result.

Liberals in the Republican Party (affectionately known as "Moderates") severely threaten the existence of the Republican party in four fundamental ways:

(1) "Moderates" lose elections by their failure to understand politics or how to lead a party. Political success requires persuading and inspiring. Conservatives believe that the opinions of the public and the votes of the electorate are fluid and dynamic. A candidate wins votes by persuading the voters that he or she offers a better plan and better leadership. The heart and soul of politics is convincing people that your party's ideas are best.

Yet one of the fundamental errors of "Moderate" Republicans is that they view the electorate as frozen in place. Voters never change their minds. Therefore, "Moderates" approach elections by trying to patch together already-existing, static blocs of opinion. They want to pander to various interest groups in order to cobble together a majority. "Moderates" cannot understand elections in terms of changing minds. Therefore, they do not try to persuade the electorate. And they can't understand anyone else doing so, either. Moderates want to count noses, while conservatives want to change hearts.

Conservatives strongly believe that voters respond to leadership. They believe that voters actually decide in each election who is the better candidate, based on the policies, records, and qualities a candidate offers. Therefore, conservatives believe that they can win a majority by offering better ideas, plans, and proposals for the country. By contrast, if the GOP fields an awful candidate and runs an awful campaign, people will vote for the Democrat. This does not signal a permanent shift in the nation's politics requiring the Party to abandon its principles. This simply means the GOP nominated a terrible candidate.

Conservatives believe it is a severe threat to allow confusion about what the Party stands for or fail to present clearly why their policies are better. Trying to water down the Party's message to pander to different groups is the path to certain defeat. The voters must be able to understand the difference between the parties. The voters must see why conservative policies are better. If we don't show the voters why our plans are better, no one else will.

"Moderates" take all the wrong lessons from the last two elections. No one will vote for a party that stands for nothing, that will say anything to pander for a vote. And given a choice between a genuine, strong liberal and a pathetic imitation, the voters will choose the genuine liberal. Having a choice only between two bad shows on TV, people will watch the better show. But they will still be wishing the whole time that there was something better on to watch instead.

Conservatives want to lead the country. Since the job description is that of leader, demonstrating qualities of leadership is important for winning votes. But most important is the lost and neglected art of convincing voters which direction is the best for the country.

More than any other issue, "Moderates" have made horrible decisions about how to win on the issue of abortion. Just this week, a Gallup poll found a dramatic change in the nation's views on abortion, with 51% calling themselves Pro-Life, up from 44% only a year ago. "Moderates" base their entire political philosophy on the certainty that no one's views can ever be changed. Yet here is dramatic evidence that people's opinions do change, that Conservatives are right and "Moderates" are wrong. Public opinion is sensitive to what political leaders say and do.

(2) "Moderates" lose elections because liberal policies do not work for a Republican candidate. A Democrat can run in concert with his liberal base but a Republican cannot run in conflict with his conservative base. (Winning elections requires enthusiasm among volunteers and many months of work, not just counting votes in November.) Also, voters who favor liberal policies will never choose a Republican as a poor imitation of a Democrat. Those who desire liberal policies will choose the real thing, not a cheap knock-off.

(3) "Moderates" use conservative footsoldiers in election campaigns and then stab conservatives in the back in government policies. Conservatives will not continue to endure such persistent betrayal. It is as if the Conservative movement caught "Moderate" Republicans in bed with another woman. And we've got pictures.

(4) "Moderates" have a ferocious determination to sabotage the Republcian party whenever necessary to ensure the defeat of conservatives.

In 2005 and 2006, something snapped. Republicans in Congress and the Bush Administration betrayed and undercut the Republican brand. On CNN on October 6, 2006, one of the conservative movement's founders, Richard Viguerie explained: "For six years, the conservatives have gotten basically lip service from this administration. They've been used and abused." As a fund-raiser for dozens of major conservative groups, Viguerie knows the mind of conservative leaders and their donors.

Massive government spending, vast expansion of government, abuse of power, scandals, and many liberal policies infuriated the right wing of the party. (Sadly too many conservative Republicans were seduced and participated.) After 9/11, plans to give control of U.S. seaports to Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates convinced Americans that Washington had lost its mind. Bush's attempt to squander a Supreme Court nomination on Harriet Myers removed any doubts. The mad rush of the Bush White House and Republican leaders to give amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens, and place them on a path to U.S. citizenship, was too much. And the $700 billion bail-out to Wall Street, for a problem "suddenly" discovered at the last moment, struck Americans as crazy. Bush worked with the most liberal Democrats in Congress, such as on Ted Kennedy's education bill.

Conservative frustration with Republican leaders has been building for decades. One of the founding fathers of the modern conservative movement, Paul Weyrich, wrote LIP SERVICE chronicling the betrayal of conservatives by George Bush Senior. Weyrich's booklet argued that the elder George Bush persistently lied to the voters and conservatives, giving only empty "Lip Service" to conservative beliefs, but then Bush betrayed conservatives at every opporunity. Conservatives believed that Bush the father, like his son after him, hijacked the language of conservativism while governing as a big-government liberal. Bush's famous lie "Read my lips: No new taxes" was but only one example of many.

In 1992, Paul Weyrich and Brent Bozell announced outside the Republican National Convention in Houston that nothing conservatives could do would save George Bush Senior "from defeat since he [Bush] was refusing to advance a conservative agenda." In 2000, Bozell warned that "W" was making the same mistake as his father.

Bush followed Ronald Reagan by promising a "kinder, gentler nation" -- an obvious insult to the Reagan Revolution that positioned him as Vice President and handed him the White House. His son George "W" Bush did exactly the same thing, promising a new brand of "compassionate conservatism." Both father and son rejected conservatives, while demonstrating ignorance of conservative theories and beliefs. Conservatives see their policies as the most compassionate government policies possible. Conservatives seek to help the poor rise out of poverty, while liberals persistently fail. The longest-running war in American history, the crack goes, is the war on poverty, and poverty is winning. Liberal policies keep the poor enslaved as a permanent under-class without hope of progress. For "W" to propose a "compassionate" conservatism proved that "W" had not the slightest clue about conservative principles.

Then in 1994, the Republican Party of Virginia nominated Col. Oliver North as its candidate for the United States Senate from Virginia. A now-familiar pattern became clear: (a) When a liberal is nominated, liberals demand party unity, but (b) when a conservative is nominated, liberals in the GOP will go to any lengths to sabotage the conservative Republican. Liberals would rather destroy the Republican Party than allow a conservative to get elected and gain influence. As an elected member of the Arlington County Republican Committee, this author witnessed the raging debates in the Virginia GOP throughout 1994.

Rather than supporting the Party nominee, liberal Republicans Sen. John Warner and Rep. Tom Davis engineered Oliver North's defeat by sponsoring Marshall Coleman as an independent spoiler candidate in the general election. North received 43% of the vote compared to 46% for Democrat Chuck Robb, a son-in-law of Lyndon Johnson. But Marshall Coleman (a liberal Republican running as an independent) peeled off 11% of the vote. Therefore, if liberal and moderate Republicans had backed the Republican nominee, Col. North would have won with 54% of the vote to Robb's 46%. (Democrats would have voted for Democrat Robb, so most of Coleman's 11% would have gone to North.) Liberal Republicans preferred to elect a Democrat to the U.S. Senate than allow a conservative to hold the seat.

This pattern has been repeated again and again nationwide. Conservatives are expected to support the Party's liberal nominees. Yet Liberals almost never support the Party's conservative nominees. GOP "Moderates" demand a one-way street. Indeed this was attempted against Ronald Reagan in 1980 by Republican Congressman John Anderson, who ran as an Independent spoiler trying to siphon votes away from Reagan so as to re-elect Jimmy Carter instead of conservative Reagan. Liberal Virginia Congressman Tom Davis seems to spend more time sabotaging conservative Republicans than serving as a Congressman.

Without conservatives, the "Moderates" in the Party could not win an election for dog-catcher. Conservatives are the foot soldiers of the Republican Party. Conservatives are the ones who do most of the work to win elections. "Blue blood" liberal Republicans do not often get their hands dirty. Generally speaking, liberal Republicans do not walk the neighborhoods doing literature drops or making phone calls. And conservatives know it. And they are tired of being taken advantage of.

Even when Republican "Moderates" contribute to winning elections, they usually do so as highly-paid campaign consultants, vendors, or staffers. Conservatives are the unpaid volunteers, who give of their time because they care about their country and believe conservative policies will make the nation better.

Heading into the 2006 election, conservatives began to talk openly about boycotting Republican politicians. In conservative publications, in the halls of conservative organizations, and on talk radio, conservatives started debating whether it would be better to let Democrats win. GOP politicians had refused to listen to or care about the rank-and-file. Many started to say that the GOP must start losing elections before its leaders will start listening. Many argue that America had to suffer through Jimmy Carter to realize that liberalism does not work. Jimmy Carter gave us Ronald Reagan, the theory goes.

By 2008, the nomination of the Anti-Republian John McCain crossed the line. Only the prospect of electing far-left candidate Barack Hussein Obama gave conservatives any reason to fight for and vote for John McCain. Conservatives were shamefully guilty of staying silent for too long and allowing Republican "Moderates" to masquerade as conservatives. The fear of liberals like Al Gore or John Kerry winning election scared conservatives into biting their tongues.

But this argument has worn thin. Conservatives now realize that even if they do elect a "Moderate" Republican there probably won't be "a dime's worth of difference" from electing a Democrat. Meanwhile, the public image of Republicans will be smeared by having a Moderate Republican masquerade as a conservative. Ann Coulter promised to campaign for Hillary Clinton against John McCain. Christian leader James Dobson announced that he could never vote for John McCain.

McCain's frequent attacks on conservatives for decades, support for amnesty for illegal aliens, repeated swing votes for liberal policies, and infringement of free speech with the McCain-Feingold campaign finance bill made him completely unacceptable to many conservatives. As a result, some conservatives went "on strike" and stayed home... enough to result in massive election losses for the GOP. Faced with having the nation's first Black President, or a useless liberal McCain, many saw no benefit to voting for McCain. Elections involve more than just election day, but many months of hard work. Elections are decided by thousands of events months or a year before election day.

Since November, a few Republican politicians and self-appointed experts have waged a high-profile campaign to convince the Republican Party to become more liberal. In fact, every year, no matter what happens, liberals and moderates in the GOP always try to steer the Republican Party even further to the left than it already is. The answer to every news headline is always that the GOP must lurch madly to the left.

Sen. Arlen Specter abandoned the GOP, claiming that the Party had moved too far to the right. In fact, however, the Party has never been more liberal than in the last eight years. John McCain was the most liberal Republican nominee for President since Gerald Ford, possibly more liberal than Ford. The fact that Republicans like Bush and McCain simply want to defend the country shows how far left the Democrats have shifted. National defense used to be a matter of bipartisan agreement. Even on foreign policy, Bush began his term by allowing China to knock an American surveillance plane out of the sky and kidnap the crew in their airplane. While America obviously could not go to war with China, Bush's groveling appeasement of China was humiliating. It was only the attacks of 9/11 that convinced Bush on foreign policy that he had to aggressively defend the country.

Amazingly, we see the peculiar oddity of liberals in the mainstream media and liberals in Congress offering their "advice" on how the Republican Party can best defeat the Democrats. Obviously, such "advice" from the GOP's mortal enemies is calculated to destroy, not assist, the GOP. The only way that the GOP should listen to such continual advice in the media is to do precisely the opposite of what the media and Democrats recommend.

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Jon Moseley is a National Correspondent with www.USNewsAndViews.com; Executive Director of American Border Control; and creator of Shale Oil Now Mr. Moseley is employed with Mortgage Fraud Examiners

, and a part-time manager for www.LiveInBahamas.com -- Live in the Bahamas --


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1 posted on 05/17/2009 11:48:59 AM PDT by Moseley
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To: Moseley

Conservatives need to re-establish the small-government traditional values as the GOP brand. The GOP has not distinguished itself from the Socialists Democrats in the last several elections.


2 posted on 05/17/2009 11:52:38 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Dick Bachert; 50mm; stockpirate; Eaker; ducdriver; ChrisInAR; AvOrdVet; MaggieCarta; indylindy; ...

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By 2008, the nomination of the Anti-Republi[c]an John McCain crossed the line. Only the prospect of electing far-left candidate Barack Hussein Obama gave conservatives any reason to fight for and vote for John McCain. Conservatives were shamefully guilty of staying silent for too long and allowing Republican "Moderates" to masquerade as conservatives. The fear of liberals like Al Gore or John Kerry winning election scared conservatives into biting their tongues.

But this argument has worn thin. Conservatives now realize that even if they do elect a "Moderate" Republican there probably won't be "a dime's worth of difference" from electing a Democrat. Meanwhile, the public image of Republicans will be smeared by having a Moderate Republican masquerade as a conservative. Ann Coulter promised to campaign for Hillary Clinton against John McCain. Christian leader James Dobson announced that he could never vote for John McCain.

McCain's frequent attacks on conservatives for decades, support for amnesty for illegal aliens, repeated swing votes for liberal policies, and infringement of free speech with the McCain-Feingold campaign finance bill made him completely unacceptable to many conservatives. As a result, some conservatives went "on strike" and stayed home... enough to result in massive election losses for the GOP. Faced with having the nation's first Black President, or a useless liberal McCain, many saw no benefit to voting for McCain. Elections involve more than just election day, but many months of hard work. Elections are decided by thousands of events months or a year before election day.

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3 posted on 05/17/2009 11:54:06 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Always Right
The GOP has not distinguished itself from the Socialists Democrats in the last several elections.

I'm still a conservative, politically and that isn't going to change any time soon.

4 posted on 05/17/2009 11:55:14 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: Moseley

Every RINO every half a Republican has to go NOW. Steele has to earn his pay and De-certify these people starting with the NE click of Communists then McCain and Lousy Graham once these people are separated from us they will be defenseless and seen for the enemies they are.


5 posted on 05/17/2009 11:57:30 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Cheetahcat
Steele has to earn his pay...

Where is he going to get it?

6 posted on 05/17/2009 11:58:43 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: Moseley

“(3) “Moderates” use conservative footsoldiers in election campaigns and then stab conservatives in the back in government policies. Conservatives will not continue to endure such persistent betrayal. It is as if the Conservative movement caught “Moderate” Republicans in bed with another woman. And we’ve got pictures.

(4) “Moderates” have a ferocious determination to sabotage the Republcian party whenever necessary to ensure the defeat of conservatives. “


Our first problem is on agreeing who the ‘moderates’ are. We can’t even get a consensus on FR on that. Some still think Bush, Cheney & McCain are ‘conservatives’.


7 posted on 05/17/2009 12:02:09 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: EGPWS
“Steele has to earn his pay...
Where is he going to get it?”

Good point; Incentive goes with performance and they equal contributions

8 posted on 05/17/2009 12:05:14 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: AuntB

Here’s the litmus test:

What’s the proper role of government?

a) Protection of life, liberty, and property.
b) Providing for the needs of its citizens.
c) a & b
d) a & a little of b

If you answer anything but a!!!! and a!!!! alone,
you’re not a conservative, you’re a moderate cum liberal.


9 posted on 05/17/2009 12:07:24 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Moseley

10 posted on 05/17/2009 12:13:03 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Shouldn't there be equal time for our Bill of Responsibilities?" -- Justice Clarence Thomas)
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To: Moseley

I get so tired of this navel gazing. Reagan won in 1980 due to Carter being inept. We lost the last election due to the Iraq intervention dragging on and the collapse of the economy. It was enough to swing the swing voters.

If 3.5% of the electorate voted the other way Obama would not be in the WH.


11 posted on 05/17/2009 12:14:01 PM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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To: MrB

a) Protection of life, liberty, and property.
b) Providing for the needs of its citizens.

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I’ll go along with A.

If you have (A), (B) will take care of itself. (B) should read.... provide for the defense of its citizens. We ALL have ‘needs’. That’s the never ending proposition were saddled with now.


12 posted on 05/17/2009 12:14:07 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: AuntB
Our first problem is on agreeing who the ‘moderates’ are. We can’t even get a consensus on FR on that. Some still think Bush, Cheney & McCain are ‘conservatives’.

Well, we are somewhat to blame for this. Bush & McCain have called themselves conservatives. And we let them get away with it. Out of fear of getting Al Gore or John Kerry as worse alternatives, we bit our lip and said nothing. Of course the liberal "views media" (not "news media") wants to push both parties far to the Left, so they will call a liberal Republican conservative.

But conservatives stayed silent, out of fear we would get someone worse on the Democrat party side. So as liberals have masqueraded as conservatives, we did not stand up (as in "Invasion of the Body Snatchers") point and scream "NO!"
13 posted on 05/17/2009 12:14:39 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.ShaleOilNow.com)
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To: AuntB

I believe “defense of citizens” is wrapped up well in A. It is the only legitimate function of government.

And, as you say, B takes care of itself when government is in its proper role. Everyone should earn, AND EAT his “own bread”.

2 Thes 3:10-15
10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “If a man will not work, he shall not eat.”

11We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat. 13And as for you, brothers, never tire of doing what is right.

14If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of him. Do not associate with him, in order that he may feel ashamed. 15Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.


14 posted on 05/17/2009 12:16:35 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Tom the Redhunter

Ping — You will appreciate this article.


15 posted on 05/17/2009 12:16:56 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Shouldn't there be equal time for our Bill of Responsibilities?" -- Justice Clarence Thomas)
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To: Moseley

RINO arrogance:

Lindsey Graham gets combative over GOP future [You’re a hypocrite! one man in the audience yelled]

“I’m a winner, pal,” Graham retorted. Moments later, after saying he wants to the party to reach out to independent voters, he said: “Winning matters to me. If it doesn’t matter to you, there’s the exit sign.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2252653/posts


16 posted on 05/17/2009 12:17:37 PM PDT by donna (Estimated 10 to 12 mosques in Greater Phoenix, including two in Tempe and several in Phoenix.)
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To: Bob J

There is one reason Obama is POTUS today: last summer’s gas prices...they were run up in the future’s market to #190/barrel...it led to $4.50 gas...and McCain’s defeat.

It also did not hurt The One that McCain is an idiot.


17 posted on 05/17/2009 12:19:32 PM PDT by kjo
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To: Moseley

“Well, we are somewhat to blame for this. Bush & McCain have called themselves conservatives. And we let them get away with it. Out of fear of getting Al Gore or John Kerry as worse alternatives, we bit our lip and said nothing.

But conservatives stayed silent, out of fear we would get someone worse on the Democrat party side. So as liberals have masqueraded as conservatives, we did not stand up (as in “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”) point and scream “NO!”

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Not all of us. I screamed ‘NO’ from the start of Bush’s ‘moderate’ leanings in his first primary and got slammed plenty for it. Today, on this forum the hero is Dick Cheney & his daughter Liz. Lots of folks saying he should run for prez. The late nite shows are STILL talking about him shooting his buddy in the face. They’d love it! And Liz...served as a senior adviser to the 2008 presidential campaign of Mitt Romney. Some of the same Romney haters are the ones extolling her greatness.
People don’t remember the facts for 3 days.


18 posted on 05/17/2009 12:22:29 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Moseley

“Fumigate”?

I was thinking of something stronger.


19 posted on 05/17/2009 12:26:41 PM PDT by garyhope
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To: donna
“RINO arrogance:

Lindsey Graham gets combative over GOP future [You’re a hypocrite! one man in the audience yelled]

“I’m a winner, pal,” Graham retorted. Moments later, after saying he wants to the party to reach out to independent voters, he said: “Winning matters to me. If it doesn’t matter to you, there’s the exit sign.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2252653/posts";

Ok No problem with Gay boy there just need a Real Conservative running the GOP to pull his Party identification based on his voting record!! What do you think his voters would say

20 posted on 05/17/2009 12:29:07 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Moseley

Fumigate it, set it on fire, bury it, and cover the ground with concrete.


21 posted on 05/17/2009 12:32:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: kjo
I agree except that I am not quite sure I am ready to say it was deliberate (a conspiracy). However, I am not ready to rule it out, either.

HOW the BLEEP could world oil pries drop from $145 per barrel to $40 per barrel in the space of about 6 months?

There is no way that demand for oil changed that dramatically. Some, yes. But not that much.

I am quite convinced that although there were many things wrong with the economy, it was the $4.00 gas prices -- and sucking $700 billion out of the economy sent overseas -- that started the smowball rolling downhill, that knocked over the fragile house of cards.

Of course it did not help when Bush got up on international television and declared the end of the world, Armaggedon, the Four Horses of the Apocalypse, the sky was falling. National leaders should know better, that their eery word can scare the markets half to death with a scowl. Bush declared that we were falling off the edge of the Earth into the abyss, and every other national leader stood up and did the same thing. It's enough to make even a normal person start to wonder about coordianted conspiracies.
22 posted on 05/17/2009 12:34:17 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.ShaleOilNow.com)
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To: Moseley
This very thing is going on in New Jersey right now; the New Jersey Democratic Party Ladies Auxilary Republican Party is backing RINO Christie who quite possibly could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory over an inept and unpopular Gov. Corzine. Lonagan is after real change instead of the same old same old.
23 posted on 05/17/2009 12:49:04 PM PDT by Free_SJersey (Liberty can promote equality- manditory equality will kill liberty. CONSTITUTION FIRST!)
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To: Moseley
Unless the Republican Party returns to its conservative principles, a number of conservatives will go on strike.

Rather than "go on strike," this conservative merely quit the party during the primaries last year once McCain was inevitable. Perhaps this is what is meant - not entirely sure. Anyway, McCain's nomination was the last straw in a long line, which has since accelerated (e.g. Bush starting the bailout/socialist takeover ball rolling). If the R's ever re-establish their conservative credentials and grow a pair in terms of standing up for them to the Socialist Democrats, I'll go back. In the meantime it's nice being unaffiliated and not continually embarrassed by the ineptitude and liberal leanings of the Republican party, which currently stands for absolutely nothing other than wanting power again.

24 posted on 05/17/2009 12:52:40 PM PDT by MCH
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To: Always Right

Ronald Reagan’s last run in 1984, is the last time the left in the United States was seriously confronted with the small government less intrusive doctrine.

That’s 25 years ago. Considering that most kids under 16 don’t really pay attention to politics in a meaningful way, hardly anyone under the age of 41 will remember Reagan’s platform.

I haven’t looked at the stats, but my guess is that this means that about half our populace has never seen the small government less intrusive doctrine presented by a presidential candidate. If we’re talking voting age people, that number rises, but the significance shouldn’t be underestimated.

And we wonder why our goals are not being attained.

The best product in the world, won’t be sold if it isn’t advertised and hawked to the largest possible audience.


25 posted on 05/17/2009 12:54:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: Moseley; ElkGroveDan; SierraWasp; Czar; tubebender; Carry_Okie; NormsRevenge; ...
Excellent article. I would modify one point with respect to the following sentences:
• By contrast, if the GOP fields an awful candidate and runs an awful campaign, people will vote for the Democrat.

• Having a choice only between two bad shows on TV, people will watch the better show.

I would contend that given the choice of only an awful GOP candidate, voters will 1) leave the ballot blank, 2) vote third party, 3) vote democrat, or 4) not show up to the polling place, at all. Voter turnout is dismal with some 40% of registered voters not participating. Instead of adopting the moderates' misguided strategy, of leaning leftward to gain votes, they need to "inspire and persuade" (as you said) the non-participating voters. Those non-participating voters are the ones, who given the choice between two bad TV shows, will choose to not watch TV. They will turn the TV on when they find something of interest.
26 posted on 05/17/2009 12:54:49 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: Moseley
No, we should nominate our own candidates and force the "moderates" into a hard choice.

The key to that is to give up on nominating candidates upon the basis of "He can win" or "Electable Republican." It is to have no faith in our own principles.

27 posted on 05/17/2009 12:57:59 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: calcowgirl
Ever read H. L. Richardson's, "What Makes You Think We Read the Bills?"?
28 posted on 05/17/2009 12:59:20 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Carry_Okie
No, we should nominate our own candidates and force the "moderates" into a hard choice.

In order to nominate our own candidates, we must first a.) close our primaries to non-Republican voters and b.) get rid of the "winner take all" rules that are inappropriate for primaries with more than two legitimate candidates.

Unfortunately, I don't detect any movement to correct either aspect of our primary system.

29 posted on 05/17/2009 1:11:19 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Carry_Okie
Having the states to implement CLOSED primaries only, would make a huge difference. Until this is done we have a huge disadvantage.
30 posted on 05/17/2009 1:13:19 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Moseley
Conservatives need a new Conservative third party with a clear message to the GOP: Join or Die!

Liberal RINOs can then either leave the GOP to Conservatives, or the GOP can go the way of the Whigs.

31 posted on 05/17/2009 1:14:06 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Carry_Okie
Ever read H. L. Richardson's, "What Makes You Think We Read the Bills?"?

Nope. Should I?

I do remember H.L. Richardson, and his article written in the last campaign. I posted it. There was very lively discussion.

McCain? No Way!
He discusses some of the same points that are being discussed on this thread.
32 posted on 05/17/2009 1:17:34 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: Carry_Okie

Okay — answered my own question. I should read it — and his other two books, as well!

http://www.amazon.com/What-Makes-Think-Read-Bills/dp/0916054780

Product Description
Have you ever wondered what really happens when your elected representatives get together to: spend your money; write laws making some things illegal, others illegal; and, try to “satisfy” all the lobbyists at the same time? You can stop wondering. Bill Richardson has let the cat out of the bag. You’ll be both amused and outraged at his tales of the day to day shenanigans in your state and national capitols. Does your legislator suddenly stop being your representative? He’s just suffered Peer-Group Shift (see Chapter 12). Does The Majority Elect? (answer in Chapter 18). Have you heard gossip about Sexy Solons? (read Chapter 21). There are wildly funny chapters — Ze Mooz (4) Burros and the Pill (9), Gangrene and the Board of Education (16) — as well as plenty of straight talk about how and why our legislators are no longer ours. Throughout GOA founder and retired State Senator Richardson’s breezy text is the underlying theme that “this can’t go on much longer, enough is enough!” He offers many thoughtful reflections on why our legislatures have gone off the tracks, and scores of helpful suggestions how to put things right. By the time you reach Chapter 15 — A Full-Time Legislature — Yuk! — you’ll agree.

About the Author
Senator H. L. Richardson (Ret.) is a twenty-two-year veteran of the California State Senate. Founder of Gun Owners of California and Gun Owners of America, Richardson has focused his extensive political career on the preservation and protection of our Second Amendment rights. An active hunter and outdoorsman, Senator Richardson continues to be actively involved in state and national politics. He served on the Board of Directors of the National Rifle Association for 10 years and remains an active NRA Life member. Sen. H. L. Richardson’s (Ret.) unique perspectives and use of humor keep him in demand as a speaker and writer. He regularly provides colorful media commentary on a host of issues. He has written for numerous national publications, and is the author of two successful humorous political books, Slightly to the Right and What Makes You Think We Read the Bills? The latter is used as a textbook in political science classes throughout California. In his controversial book, Confrontational Politics, Senator Richardson has written a game plan for playing to win. He clearly explains his core belief that politics should be a struggle of competing ideologies, not a game of compromise and accommodation.


33 posted on 05/17/2009 1:27:09 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: Carry_Okie
Yes. Ultimately, none of this can work as long as liberals maintain air superiority. That's another topic outside the scope of this post, but still necessary. As long as the Liberal Luftwaffe maintains control of the skies (air waves conservatives cannot get organized and mass for an effective attack. We are trying to mount a winning campaign while being constantly strafed, bombed, harassed, and scattered by the Liberal Luftwaffe.

Fox News and talk radio are vital... but not nearly enough. That job is only half completed.
34 posted on 05/17/2009 1:27:18 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.ShaleOilNow.com)
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To: Moseley
Eventually we conservatives will figure out that we have little or no representation in America. The brand is temporarily damaged. No one can “purge” either party of members. Everyone is free to join whatever party they wish. Liberals join the Democrats. Moderates join the Republicans. Conservatives can be Republican or independent, or join a fringe party. In any case they have very little political clout today.

The people defined at FR as “true conservatives” probably represent about 20% of the electorate. The definition keeps tightening, lowering the number.

Things will change when moderates are convinced to take more conservative positions. You can't grow the conservative movement by pushing people out, you must win moderates over. (Moderates are the only available source for new conservatives, liberals are goners, duh.)

And yet it is fashionable to bash moderates, who are politically closer to conservatives than any other group in America. (Libertarians and other fringers are too small to matter.) I understand the sentiment, but it won't lead to conservative power. I also understand that for some, purity is more important than power. That's fine with me, just dont’ expect purity to grow the conservative movement.

35 posted on 05/17/2009 1:28:33 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Charter Member, 58 Million Club)
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To: Moseley

SHOULD CONSERVATIVES FUMIGATE THE BIG TENT TO REMOVE LIBERALS?

YES.. YES.. YES... YES...
ABSOULTEY POSITIVELY YES.................................


36 posted on 05/17/2009 1:29:13 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: Moseley

I don’t believe it will be possible to recover the GOP. It is like an old and occupied house, fallen to rot and disrepair. It is time to found an new party based upon genuine conservative Principlies.


37 posted on 05/17/2009 1:39:30 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Moseley
You do what works where you live and what people there think is right and let other people do the same where they live.

Some districts won't elect someone you'd recognize as conservative. Would they be better off with a Democrat, who, by your own view, would likely be more liberal than any Republican would be?

Almost all of the old Rockefeller Republicans -- the East Coast liberals -- are gone. Except for those two women from Maine, there doesn't seem to be very much of a liberal (or what the press would call a "moderate") wing of the party left in Congress.

Rather than the old liberal ("moderate") bloc, you have Senators and Governors who are a little more corporate, a little more country club than the rest of us. They may be a problem, but they're not the main reason Republicans are in such bad shape right now.

For example, every Republican in the House voted against Stimulus-Porkulus. To me that's a sign that this RINO thing is getting to be a red herring. People love to talk about it, beyond whatever real importance it has in politics today.

I didn't have time to read through your whole article. Some of it looked interesting. Two comments, though.

1) Sometimes it's not a clear-cut case of liberals/moderates vs. conservatives. Oliver North was carrying a lot of baggage that would likely make many Republicans and Independents hesitant to vote for him.

Sometimes the problem is the baggage a candidate has, not an ideological split. Whether or not you or I would have been enthusiastic about North's candidacy, it's not a good test case.

2) My guess is that very, very few Republicans voted for John Anderson in 1980. Most of Anderson's support came from liberals and Democrats who were disillusioned with Carter, or from those who were already ex-Republicans. There weren't large scale defections from Reagan to Anderson. At least, I'm not aware of any Republican elected officials who endorsed him.

Reagan was able to hold on to even very liberal GOP Senators. That's because he knew what was important and was able to prioritize. He wasn't distracted by side issues.

38 posted on 05/17/2009 1:48:36 PM PDT by x
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To: DoughtyOne
Ronald Reagan’s last run in 1984, is the last time the left in the United States was seriously confronted with the small government less intrusive doctrine.

It was revived for a couple years in 1994 with the Contract with America, but after that small government conservatism was not a major theme of the GOP.

39 posted on 05/17/2009 1:52:48 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Moseley

Excellent piece until it started calling Tom Davis a liberal

I worked for Tom Davis. If we are going to label men like him “liberals” we will never win an election again.


40 posted on 05/17/2009 1:56:54 PM PDT by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: Albion Wilde

Isnt that from the roundabout album?


41 posted on 05/17/2009 2:02:43 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's even tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Bob J

Bullshit bob,Our side lost because of the piece of scat that the rinos put at the top of the ticket.The only reason it wasnt a landslide was the fact that Palin was also on the ticket.


42 posted on 05/17/2009 2:04:44 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's even tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: donna

What an arrogant little poofter.


43 posted on 05/17/2009 2:06:10 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's even tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: MadIsh32; Moseley
Excellent piece until it started calling Tom Davis a liberal ... If we are going to label men like him “liberals” we will never win an election again.

The author referred to him as a "liberal Republican" which I interpreted as relative to the Republican platform.

Davis labels himself a "centrist," not a "centrist Republican," but falling in between the Republican and Democrat platform.

If the far left of the Republican Party (i.e. "centrist") is not "liberal," what would you call it?

44 posted on 05/17/2009 2:14:43 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: calcowgirl

Mr. Davis and I once chatted about this

His philosphy in winning in Northern VA, (which has gone from a Republican strong hold in the 80s, to a very centrist district in the 90s when Mr. Davis was winning 60%+, to now very liberal this decade) was to avoid “pissing people in my district off” Those were his words, which is why you’ll find it impossible to find him saying, well, anything, on guns, gays or abortion

This coming from a man who never drank a sip of alcohol.

What Mr. Davis was about was a smart, fiscally conservative government, that got its job done and saved tax payers money. But because he never focused on social issues, ever, (unless you consider steroids in baseball a social issue) he was put in that neat label of “centrist,” which is used by the masses on both sides unable to differentiate that some people need to reflect their district on certain issues.

The liberals in the district always tried to paint him as a far right wacko due to his positions on taxes and spending. And yet he kicked their asses in 6 straight elections


45 posted on 05/17/2009 2:28:27 PM PDT by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: MadIsh32

Davis may be a great guy. He and I may agree on a lot of things, but here is my problem with what you wrote.

• He may not want to talk about guns, gays or abortion, but as a representative of the people, he darn well will have to vote on it. Don’t they deserve to know where he stands?

• He heads a group, the Republican Main Street Partnership, that labels *itself* “centrist.”

• No matter what you call it “centrist” or “moderate” or “purple” or “liberal republican”, that philosopy is not a single view, it is a culmination of positions and thoughts about various issues. No one has ever been able to tell me what the “centrist” platform actually says (perhaps, “a little bit more socialism is great”?) Absent that, I can surmise based on reading that such a platform suggests liberal positions on things like global warming regulation, liberal immigration policies, and those social programs like “guns, gays or abortion” that Davis avoids so he won’t “piss people off.” The RMSP clearly touts more government in our lives, anathema to Reagan conservatives.

His approach may win elections, but there are other ways of doing that without capitulating to the liberals. In the case of Davis, he actually seems to agree with those liberals on many issues.


46 posted on 05/17/2009 2:53:44 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: imahawk

Where is your evidence for either of these assertions? Would you rather have had a Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo or Ron Paul instead? Candidates who could not even win their own party’s primary? They would have lost by much more than John McCain did?


47 posted on 05/17/2009 3:51:46 PM PDT by j.simmons
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To: j.simmons

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL,riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight


48 posted on 05/17/2009 4:22:08 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's even tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: calcowgirl
You have revived another dormant thought. What we have is suppression of voters who dislike the slates offered. That is met with concerted efforts to reform the slate selections: solve the intrinsic problem?

No. Poor turnout is treated as if it is only the numbers that count: an extrinsic problem.

So there are unbridled efforts to increase voters and voting at all costs -- even making it illegal to ask for proper voter identification.

And who exactly is currently in office? With outright statists ruling the agenda in one party, they field a slew of avante garde activists clamoring for more or better services.
Meanwhile we have statist lites in the other party who seek opportunities to reward backers who provide outsourcing to the growing state.

It is these party leaders who need to inspire and persuade the non-participating voter? BWAHAHAHAHA. They ARE!
The target has indeed been persuaded that his participation is a waste of time.

Mission accomplished!

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Oooh how we need a sea change!

49 posted on 05/17/2009 4:26:06 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (Yesterday's Left = today's status quo. Thus "CONSERVATIVE": a conflicted label for battling tyranny.)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
It is these party leaders who need to inspire and persuade the non-participating voter? BWAHAHAHAHA. They ARE!

Well, there are different types of leaders. I had in mind the Reagan or McClintock type. They do inspire.
Not the NRSC type that we see trying to choose our winners for us a full year and a half before elections.

50 posted on 05/17/2009 5:04:38 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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