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Bishop D’Arcy speaks at Notre Dame (shuns commencement for pro-life rally)
CNA ^ | May 17, 2009

Posted on 05/17/2009 3:01:44 PM PDT by NYer

South Bend, Ind., May 17, 2009 / 04:18 pm (CNA).- Although he had initially planned to stay away from campus today as President Barack Obama was honored at Notre Dame, Bishop John D’Arcy of Fort Wayne-South Bend, Indiana changed his mind and spoke at a campus pro-life rally.

According to the Fort Wayne News Sentinel, the bishop spoke in front of 2,500 people protesting the university’s award to pro-abortion President Barack Obama.

Initially Bishop D’Arcy had planned to boycott the graduation festivities, however he decided to appear on campus due to the school’s pro-life undergraduates.

"It is certainly the place for the bishop to be here," D'Arcy said. "John D'Arcy's not important, but the office of bishop if very important and it must always be like Pope John Paul II to stand up for life all the time, everywhere without exception."

Last night the bishop began an all-night vigil for students and other pro-lifers on campus.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: 2009commencements; bho44; catholic; darcy; ndu; notredame; obama

1 posted on 05/17/2009 3:01:44 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 05/17/2009 3:02:53 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

**Bishop John D’Arcy of Fort Wayne-South Bend, Indiana changed his mind and spoke at a campus pro-life rally.**

God bless Bishop D’Arcy!


3 posted on 05/17/2009 3:05:53 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

**”It is certainly the place for the bishop to be here,” D’Arcy said. “John D’Arcy’s not important, but the office of bishop if very important and it must always be like Pope John Paul II to stand up for life all the time, everywhere without exception.”**

Wow! Real spine!


4 posted on 05/17/2009 3:06:55 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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The bishops who have so far expressed disapproval of Notre Dame's invitation to Obama (in alphabetical order) are:

SOUTH BEND, Indiana, May 6, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Following is an alphabetical list of bishops who have so far expressed disapproval of the University of Notre Dame's invitation to President Obama to give the commencement speech and receive an honorary law degree May 17.  Included are links to the original source as well as LifeSiteNews.com coverage. 

Current count: 77 bishops

Bishop Joseph V. Adamec - Altoona-Johnstown, PA
Statement:
http://www.ajdiocese.org/documents//April_8__2009_-_Notre_Dame_University.pdf
LSN http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050718.html

Bishop John D'Arcy - Fort Wayne-South Bend, IN
Statement:
http://www.diocesefwsb.org/COMMUNICATIONS/obama.htm
LSN Report: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09032408.html

Bishop Samuel Aquila - Fargo, ND
Statement: http://www.fargodiocese.org/Bishop/Homilies/StatementNotreDameLtr4-5-09.pdf
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040906.html

Bishop Gregory Aymond - Austin, TX
Statement: http://www.austindiocese.org/newsletter_issue_view.php?id=211
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09032707.html

Bishop Robert Baker - Birmingham, AL
Statement: http://www.ewtn.com/library/BISHOPS/bpbakernd.HTM
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040807.html

Bishop Gerald Barbarito - Palm Beach, FL
Statement: http://www.diocesepb.org/bishop/Acrobat_files/Bishop
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09041406.html

Bishop Leonard Blair - Toledo, OH
Statement: http://proecclesia.blogspot.com/2009/04/bishop-blair-responds-to-notre-dame.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua (Archbishop Emeritus) - Philadelphia, PA
Statement: http://patricknovecosky.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/cardinal-bevilacqua-addresses-notre-dame-controversy/
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050509.html

Bishop Lawrence Brandt - Greensburg, PA
Statement: http://www.dioceseofgreensburg.org/DH/Pages/NotreDamestatement.aspx
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050509.html

Archbishop Daniel Buechlein - Indianapolis, IN
Statement: http://www.archindy.org/criterion/local/2009/04-10/notredame.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040807.html

Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz - Lincoln, NE
Statement: http://www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/News/tabid/54/ctl/Details/mid/452/ItemID/495/Default.aspx
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040906.html

Archbishop Eusebius Beltran - Oklahoma City, OK
Statement: http://newsok.com/speech-by-obama-faces-catholic-foes/article/3357948
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040204.html

Auxiliary Bishop Oscar Cantú - San Antonio, TX
Statement: http://www.archdiosa.org/txtfiles/attachment_153.pdf
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040704.html

Archbishop Charles Chaput - Denver, CO
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042905.html

Bishop Paul Coakley - Salina, KS
LSN:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Bishop James Conley - Denver
LSN:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050815.html 

Bishop Edward Cullen - Allentown, PA
LSN:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050403.html

Bishop Nicholas Di Marzio - Brooklyn, NY
Statement:
http://thetablet.org/05092009/columns_bishop.html )
LSN:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050718.html

Cardinal Daniel DiNardo
- Houston, TX
Statement: http://www.texascatholicherald.org/columnists.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09032717.html

Archbishop Timothy Dolan - New York, NY
Statement: http://www.620wtmj.com/podcasts/charliesykes/sundayinsight/42081097.html?video=pop&t=a

Bishop Thomas Doran - Rockford, IL
Statement: http://www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/CardinalNewmanSociety/tabid/36/ctl/Details/mid/435/ItemID/470/Default.aspx
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040204.html

Auxiliary Bishop John Dougherty - Scranton, PA
Statement: http://www.dioceseofscranton.org/News/ScrantonBishopsProtestNotreDameDecisionApril2,2009.asp
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040302.html

Bishop Robert Finn - Kansas City-St. Joseph, MO
Statement: http://catholickey.blogspot.com/2009/04/we-are-at-war-bishop-finns-gospel-of.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Bishop Joseph Galante - Camden, NJ
Statement: http://www.camdendiocese.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1282:catholic-a-mere-label&catid=33:press-releases-a-latest-news
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042807.html

Bishop Victor Galeone - St. Augustine, FL
LSN:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042211.html

Bishop John Gaydos - Jefferson City
Statement:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050814.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050815.html

Cardinal Francis George - Chicago, IL; President, USCCB
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09033106.html

Bishop Gerald Gettelfinger - Evansville, IN
Statement: http://www.themessageonline.org/local/2009/04-17/bishop.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Archbishop José Gomez - San Antonio, TX
Statement: http://www.archdiosa.org/txtfiles/attachment_153.pdf
LSN:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040704.html

Auxiliary Bishop Roger Gries - Cleveland, Ohio
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09051101.html

Bishop Bernard Harrington - Winona, MN
Statement: http://www.dow.org/documents/09mayweb.pdf
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09043004.html

Bishop Robert Hermann - St. Louis, MO
Statement: http://stlouisreview.com/article/2009-04-30/i-thought-you-should-know
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050403.html

Bishop William Higi - Lafayette, IN
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040704.html

Archbishop Alfred Hughes - New Orleans, LA
Statement: http://blog.nola.com/elections_impact/2009/04/Hughes%20letter.pdf
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040704.html

Bishop Michael O. Jackels - Wichita, KS
Statement:
http://cdowk.org/advanceonline/2009/04/09/bishop-jackels-letter-to-notre-dame/  
LSN:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050105.html

Bishop Sam Jacobs - Houma-Thibodaux, LA 
Statement:
http://www.htdiocese.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=hUtmQlVJbos%3d&tabid=565 
LSN:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050815.html 

Bishop James V. Johnston - Springfield-Cape Girardeau, MO
http://home.catholicweb.com/diocspfdcape/index.cfm/NewsItem?id=263157
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09043004.html

Bishop Peter Jugis - Charlotte, NC
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042807.html

Bishop Joseph Latino - Jackson, MS
Statement: http://nems360.com/pages/full_story?page_label=news&id=2300764-Mississippi+bishop+opposes+Obama+commencement+speech&widget=push&article-Mississippi%20bishop%20opposes%20Obama%20commencement%20speech
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Bishop John LeVoir - New Ulm, MN
Statement: http://www.dnu.org/bishop/041309statement.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042302.html

Bishop Jerome Listecki - La Crosse, WI
Statement: http://www.dioceseoflacrosse.com/ministry_resources/ministries/resources/Notre%20Dame%20Invitation.pdf
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040711.html

Bishop William E. Lori - Bridgeport, CT
Statement: http://www.bridgeportdiocese.com/folder_bridgedocs/FCC%204-4-09.pdf
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040704.html

Bishop Paul Loverde - Arlington, VA
Statement:
http://www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/CardinalNewmanSociety/tabid/36/ctl/Details/mid/435/ItemID/522/Default.aspx
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042302.html

Bishop George Lucas - Springfield, IL
Statement:http://www.dio.org/bishop-lucas-weekly-column/from-east-to-west-we-must-witness-to-the-truth.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Bishop Robert Lynch - St. Petersburg, FL
Statement: http://bishopsblog.dosp.org/2009/03/27/week-end-update/
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09033103.html

Bishop Joseph Martino - Scranton, PA
http://www.dioceseofscranton.org/News/ScrantonBishopsProtestNotreDameDecisionApril2,2009.asp
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040302.html

Bishop John McCormack - Manchester, NH
Statement: http://www.catholicnh.org/public-issues/fcn-archive/und/
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09043004.html

Bishop Robert Morlino - Madison, WI
Statement: http://www.catholiccitizens.org/views/contentview.asp?c=49889
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09033103.html

Bishop William Murphy - Rockville Centre, NY
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050105.html

Bishop George Murry - Youngstown, OH
Statement: http://cathexpo.org/articledetails.aspx?articleid=240
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040704.html

Archbishop John J. Myers - Newark, NJ
Statement: http://www.rcan.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=feature.display&feature_ID=1299
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040106.html

Archbishop Joseph Naumann - Kansas City, KS
http://www.theleaven.com/columnist/archbishop_column.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042709.html

Bishop R. Walker Nickless - Sioux City, IA
Statement: http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=32936
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040106.html

Archbishop John C. Nienstedt - St. Paul-Minneapolis, MN
Statement: http://www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/CardinalNewmanSociety/tabid/36/ctl/Details/mid/435/ItemID/460/Default.aspx
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09033103.html

Archbishop Edwin O'Brien - Baltimore, MD
Statement: http://www.catholicreview.org/subpages/storyarchnew.aspx?action=5978
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040807.html

Bishop Thomas Olmsted - Phoenix, AZ
Statement: http://www.americanpapist.com/2009/03/exclusive-bp-olmsted-tells-nd.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09032605.html

Archbishop Daniel E. Pilarczyk - Cincinnati, OH
Statement: http://www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/CardinalNewmanSociety/tabid/36/ctl/Details/mid/435/ItemID/514/Default.aspx
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Bishop Reymundo Pena - Brownsville, TX
http://www.cdob.org/bishop/column/2009/4-24-09.htm
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050403.html

Bishop Glen Provost - Lake Charles, LA
Statement: http://live.lcdiocese.org/bishop-provost/writings/285-bishop-provost-comments-on-notre-dame-university-decision.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042807.html

Bishop David Ricken - Green Bay, WI
Statement: http://www.thecompassnews.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=345:notre-dames-quandary
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050509.html

Cardinal Justin Rigali - Philadelphia, PA; Chairman, USCCB Pro-Life Committee
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042803.html

Bishop Kevin Rhoades - Harrisburg, PA
Statement:http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=33146
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040106.html

Bishop Alexander Sample - Marquette, MI
Statement: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=15630
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040807.html

Bishop Edward J. Slattery - Tulsa, OK
Statement: http://www.dioceseoftulsa.org/article.asp?nID=907
LSN:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040106.html

Bishop John Smith - Trenton, NJ
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09051101.html

Bishop Richard Stika - Knoxville, TN
Statement:http://www.dioceseofknoxville.org/?news=3585&menu=1462&level=1
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09041406.html

Bishop Anthony Taylor - Little Rock, AR
Statement: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/note.php?note_id=66338251686
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040704.html

Bishop George Thomas - Helena, MT
Statement: http://www.diocesehelena.org/thomas/050109%20letter.pdf
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050509.html

Bishop Robert Vasa - Baker, OR
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Bishop Michael Warfel - Great Falls-Billings, MT
Statement: http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200905011500/NEWS01/90501007
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09043009.html

Bishop Thomas Wenski - Orlando, FL
Statement: http://www.orlandodiocese.org/who_we_are/bishop_wenski/columns/200904_und.php
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Archbishop Donald Wuerl - Washington, D.C.

Statement: http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/godingovernment/2009/04/dc_archbishop_nips_georgetown_for_biden_event.html
LSN
: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042709.html

Bishop Emeritus John Yanta - Amarillo, TX
Statement:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09051407.html
LSN:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09051408.html

Bishop David Zubick - Pittsburgh, PA
Statement: http://www.pittsburghcatholic.org/newsarticles_more.phtml?id=2466
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042302.html%20

URL: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050607.html
 
Bishop Donald Trautman - Erie, PA


 


5 posted on 05/17/2009 3:07:35 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
Poor Raymond Arroyo was doing duty at CNN, discussing ND with a so called priest.

The priest claimed the Catholic Church is evolving.

Raymond did his best but was double teamed by the priest and the CNN reporter.

6 posted on 05/17/2009 3:09:44 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: NYer

it must always be like Pope John Paul II to stand up for life all the time, everywhere without exception.”

Why then have we not heard from the Pope????


7 posted on 05/17/2009 3:11:14 PM PDT by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh - Truth, honesty and the American Way. Go Rush!!!)
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To: Salvation

Such a great example of WHEAT (this bishop and the pro-life crowd) vs. CHAFF (Obama and the ‘Kennedy catholics’ who cheered him).


8 posted on 05/17/2009 3:14:14 PM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: mware
Oh drats! I was tuned into Fox News! Wish I had seen this interview. Raymond is extremely knowlegable but tends to be overly verbose.

The priest claimed the Catholic Church is evolving.

Perhaps in his diocese but the church is steadfast and unwavering in her teachings.

9 posted on 05/17/2009 3:17:39 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

GOD Bless Bishop D’Arcy...


10 posted on 05/17/2009 3:20:06 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (“Nothing is more powerful than a man who prays” (St. John Crisostomus))
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To: cubreporter
Why then have we not heard from the Pope????

JPII was not addressing any specific institution when he said those words. He was speaking to Catholics as a whole. Pope Benedict has echoed those same words in his addresses. Did you follow any of the threads this past week when he visited the Holy Land? They were packed with these same statements.

11 posted on 05/17/2009 3:22:17 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer
Raymond was strong in his beliefs but as I said he was double teamed. The CNN reporter made it clear where her loyalties lay.
12 posted on 05/17/2009 3:24:42 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: NYer
Can't wait to see what Fr Groeschel has to say tonight.

I hear that Fr Corpi will be handing out the diplomas to those who took part in the alternative graduation.

13 posted on 05/17/2009 3:27:01 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: cubreporter

The Vatican has spoken loudly: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2247015/posts

Burke says nothing without being directed by the Holy Father.


14 posted on 05/17/2009 3:31:15 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: cubreporter

The Vatican has spoken loudly: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2247015/posts

Burke says nothing without being directed by the Holy Father.


15 posted on 05/17/2009 3:31:34 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: NYer

“Wherever the Bishop is, there is the Catholic Church” ~ Ignatius of Antioch


16 posted on 05/17/2009 3:33:09 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: cubreporter

“Why then have we not heard from the Pope????”

You did hear, but you weren’t listening. What in the world do you think Archbishop Burke was doing if not conveying the pope’s sentiments?

You may eventually hear from the pope ipsissimis verbis. But you can rest assured that that’s why Burke accepted the speaking engagement at the prayer breakfast—to fly the Vatican flag and read the riot act to Jenkins.

Indeed, that’s one of the reason Burke was named head of the tribunal in Rome. So many people were saying that it was done to ruin his reform work in St. Louis. Au contraire: it was done in order to have an American in the Vatican at the highest level who could speak to American Catholic issues with the implied voice of the pope echoing in every word he speaks.

But implied voice is not enough for some. Perhaps Benedict will grant you your wish. Perhaps not. But that’s what Burke was doing in Washington a week or two ago. You were supposed to catch on.

The pope cannot and ought not run around the world disciplining the miscreants everywhere. That’s what we have bishops here for. And they got the message from Burke and nearly half of them have spoken out against No Shame U. And I don’t think they are finished speaking. And they are far more effective than if the pope had spoken over their heads.

I get so tired of Catholics who think the pope can wave a magic wand and fix everything. Darn it. Most problems have to be solved at the local level if they are to have credible and lasting solutions. Subsidiarity, my friend, subsidiarity. You undoubtedly favor state and local solutions rather than federal solutions in American politics. The same applies here. If the American Catholic universities are going to be reined in (and I think it’s too late now), the American bishops will have to do it. The pope CANNOT do it for them. Period.

The pope already did what he rightly should do—Ex corde ecclesiae. But the American bishops ignored it—I know because I heard Catholic university faculty telling each other in the mid-1990s not to worry about Ex corde because the bishops had struck a deal with the major universities not to enforce it. After a few years, the word finally came through that the Vatican had told the bishops to enforce it or else. And then it was enforced, sort of, half-way.

The problem does not lie in Rome. It lies here. And the solution has to come from here. And for schools like No Shame, the solution will probably be, in the end, for the American bishops to declare them uncatholic. NSU will simply take it in stride, declare itself to be a “university in the Catholic tradition” and that will make little difference to most of the big donors and to the prestige-calculators in Academia. And then NSU will go the route of Harvard and Yale and Northwestern.

But bringing Burke to Rome was a deliberate move by Benedict (who’s no dummy) to tighten the screws on the American bishops. Instead of a bunch of Italian curia cardinals whom the American bishops could dismiss as “what do they know about the American scene,” now there’s an American at the top of the curial ladder who can conveniently issue statements that the smart bishops in the USA know have the full backing of Benedict himself.


17 posted on 05/17/2009 3:36:41 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.
Indeed, that’s one of the reason Burke was named head of the tribunal in Rome. So many people were saying that it was done to ruin his reform work in St. Louis. Au contraire: it was done in order to have an American in the Vatican at the highest level who could speak to American Catholic issues with the implied voice of the pope echoing in every word he speaks.

It was done because Burke can't handle a major metropolitan city. I can say that because I lived through it. Good man that he is, the Church is better off with him in Rome than stateside where he ends up on the evening news for losing his cool with reporters who insist on asking stupid questions. That and he has no personnel responsibilities. The boneheaded moves outside the seminary are rather legion around here. Just don't get me started and before saying I don't know what I'm talking about, as a member of the Cathedral choir, I'm in a darn good position to know a lot.

And I don't think Burke speaks for the pope. The pope can speak quite well enough for himself.

18 posted on 05/17/2009 3:46:53 PM PDT by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
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To: NYer

What a wonderful decision on his part.

This ND-Obortion scandal will remain a watershed event after which public support of abortion will actually cause headaches for any Catholic.


19 posted on 05/17/2009 3:49:34 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (very punny)
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To: NYer
re:the office of bishop if very important and it must always be like Pope John Paul II to stand up for life all the time, everywhere without exception.")))

Is this a subtle zing at Benedict, who's been AWOL?

20 posted on 05/17/2009 4:34:34 PM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: NYer

Well, President Obama DID speak at Notre Dame, and they DID confer upon him an honorary doctorate. And a lot of good, sincere and rightfully angry Catholics spoke out.

But what of “The Church?” Certainly, 77 US Bishops criticized or condemned Notre Dame. Yet, in the face of a clear violation of the authoritative declarations and policies of the Bishops Conference, the leadership of Notre Dame, a Catholic University under the direct authority of the Church, defied them. They defied the policy, authority and will of the Roman Catholic Bishops overseeing them.

So, now, Catholics let it go? Let by-gones be by-gones? Forget it? Look forward to next years Football Season, and return to their devotion at the feet of “Touchdown Jesus?”

With the exception of a relative few exceptional Catholic laymen and “lower rung” clergy, it appears the Church is ready to wash their hands of the controversy. And if that’s the case, then the Roman Church in America is institutionally double-minded and insincere.

I know, as a Protestant, who am I to criticize the Catholic Church? But if this is the gross violation that so many have claimed, and yet the offenders went ahead with it anyway, despite warnings, pleas, and protests, then the “authorities” in the Church should not let it die — they should STILL take punitive action.

For 500 years, Popes, Councils, and various other tribunals had no compunction about condemning heretics, sanctioning those who erred, and recalling those who were insubordinate. Why, on this matter, would they stop now?

If Catholics actually believe in the authority of the Church as they claim, if the sanctity of life is one of the paramount values the Church still holds to, and if Catholic heirarchy desires to retain any shred or vestige of their credibility, it seems to this lowly Baptist that they should act now in a manner consistent with their convictions. At the very least, the removal of Notre dames leadership, and/or the withholding of Church funds from the school, would be more than appropriate to begin with...

Am I wrong, my friends?


21 posted on 05/17/2009 4:41:13 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: NYer

Well great!
What a black eye for the fake Catholics. The bishop was lucky not to get arrested though.


22 posted on 05/17/2009 4:46:47 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Houghton M.

Sorry. I want to hear OUR POPE stand up in front of millions like he does at other times and SPEAK FOR HIMSELF.


23 posted on 05/17/2009 5:22:18 PM PDT by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh - Truth, honesty and the American Way. Go Rush!!!)
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To: Desdemona

And I don’t think Burke speaks for the pope. The pope can speak quite well enough for himself.

Yes indeed he can and has many times before. Throngs and throngs and pomp and circumstance. Well, I believe speaking out about babies being murdered DOES INDEED warrant an individual speech from the Pope directly addressing the issue.


24 posted on 05/17/2009 5:24:39 PM PDT by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh - Truth, honesty and the American Way. Go Rush!!!)
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To: patriot preacher

Won’t happen because our Catholic church is not the same one. It is all backwards and different and not unified. Thank you for speaking up though. As a Catholic I appreciate your non-Catholic thoughts on the matter.


25 posted on 05/17/2009 5:26:29 PM PDT by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh - Truth, honesty and the American Way. Go Rush!!!)
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To: patriot preacher
Hey, Catholics have been fighting amongst ourselves for about 2,000 years on these matters. Part of the problem is human obstinance in accepting the teaching rather than rationalizing why the Church is or is not wrong. There's been times when there's been a single bishop in the right against the rest of the Church (see St. Athanasius in the 3rd century) and the Church survived. We'll make it through this - and stronger once the pruning occurs.

Not that this is any excuse, but this is a really bad time to tear bishops, including the bishop of Rome (the pope) away from their official duties as bishops. It's ordination season and as Apostolic Succession passes through the bishop to the new priests and deacons, they're a little busy. Priesthood ordination should be either this weekend or next weekend - and it's a big ordeal to put together.

One thing that seems to not be sinking in in some circles is that the Church, including Notre Dame, is more of a confederation than a top-down institution. A Catholic identity can be pulled, but that's up to the bishop - and should be a last resort AFTER pastoral efforts to correct the situation have failed.

26 posted on 05/17/2009 6:21:16 PM PDT by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
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To: Desdemona

“It was done because Burke can’t handle a major metropolitan city.”

If that were the case they would have just put him out to pasture somewhere instead of giving him such an important position. If anything time has shown Archbishop Burke to have been totally correct on the Saint Stan’s thing. Oddly you don’t hear too much form Charles Jaco and the Post about that these days.


27 posted on 05/17/2009 8:39:45 PM PDT by MoTiger
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To: MoTiger
Oddly you don’t hear too much form Charles Jaco and the Post about that these days.

You don't hear much from the Post-Disgrace because the religion reporters in the know are over at the Beacon.

Burke is a great Canon lawyer and belongs in the courts, not as head of a see. His administrative instincts beyond the seminary just were not good. There's a lot of things people don't know, like what he wanted to do to the Cathedral - and how much it was going to cost. The Sacred Heart shrine is beautiful and there was nothing on that side, but do we really need the canopy back over the cathedra? And the registers between the pillars in the nave that he wanted to remove - heat and AC? And why do you put a brand new priest with zero interest in liturgy in the position of Archdiocesan Master of Ceremonies? Every archdiocesan Mass and event in the last year has been a complete mess. It's all behind the scenes, but I've been at every one and there is no excuse.

The entire Church is better off with Burke where he is. That's where he belongs.

28 posted on 05/18/2009 5:22:54 AM PDT by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
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To: patriot preacher

I really appreciate your tone and solidarity with the real Catholics on this issue. I am married to a Baptist man and am continually amazed about how much we agree on most everything in regards to moral issues. I just wish that I could prevail upon him to know how special it is to be able to meet the Lord in the flesh in the here and now in the Eucharist. It’s a scary but exhilarating event, every time. But, he sees everytime he goes to Mass with me folks who don’t act like they think it’s true.

I guess my point is that you are going to see people all the time who merely go through the motions, serving two masters, which our dear Lord says is not possible, not if you really love Him. He said it. Like usual, people hear that but don’t believe it, because if they did, our faith would rule the hearts and actions of man and we woulnd’t be so grieved about what our brothers and sisters are doing to trample on the blood of Jesus and profaning his holy virgin mother at Notre Dame.

No they are not really hearing anything that doesn’t fit in with their worldliness and they rationalize their sins out of existence from their own minds. I have to keep asking myself everyday what walls do I need to tear down today between me and my Lord?

God bless you sir, thanks for standing with us.


29 posted on 05/18/2009 7:01:09 AM PDT by SaintDismas
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To: NYer

A TRUE MAN OF GOD!!! Thank you and God bless you, Bishop D’Arcy!!!!


30 posted on 05/18/2009 7:58:49 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: mware
Poor Raymond Arroyo was doing duty at CNN, discussing ND with a so called priest.

I love Raymond Arroyo -- especially his sarcasm and sharp wit when he's talking about idiots like Jenkins.
31 posted on 05/18/2009 8:00:11 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: cubreporter
Why then have we not heard from the Pope????

The Pope usually does not speak specifically to local politics, but rather in larger, general principles that are universal. He appeals to the local Bishops to handle their own. I am certain he is encouraging and suppporting the backlash of the American bishops against the Notre Shame incident. If you listen to his closest spokespersons in the media, they all speak with harshest terms about the Obama invitation.
32 posted on 05/18/2009 8:03:57 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: NYer

Good for Bishop D’Arcy that he showed up WHERE he did, and did NOT show up where he should not have.

Sad, though, that - as insiders will know already - he tried to get Ambassador Glendon to accept the Laetare Award.

Judge Noonan who, piously but naively (in the face of the great evil to which Obama has devoted his considerable power), proclaimed “Truth Will Out,” comes from Boston, where Bishop D’Arcy was Auxiliary for a number of years.

Not too difficult to figure out how he was persuaded to sub for Glendon.

What would it have been like if, as in the “summons to court” scene from BECKET (the movie with Richard Burton and Peter O’Toole), Bishop D’Arcy had arrived, cope and mitre, with the protestors and marched through that gate reciting the Rosary, and then - as the old rite said of the mitre, “adorned with the horns of both Testaments to appear fiercesome to the enemies of Truth” - had said to the police: “STAND ASIDE OR ANSWER FOR IT WITH YOUR IMMORTAL SOULS!”

*sigh* now THAT would have been a WITNESS with . . . . uh . . . spine. Yeah, spine.

Enough with the polite persuasive “engagement” with these monsters. We need a peaceful but DRAMATIC confrontation.

Of course, when only 76 of the mitred weenies dare speak up . . . what do you expect?


33 posted on 05/18/2009 10:04:40 AM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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To: bdeaner

The Pope usually does not speak specifically to local politics, but rather in larger, general principles that are universal.

How much LARGER can it get than babies being murdered????? Nope, don’t buy your reasoning. This is not POLITICS...it is MURDER.


34 posted on 05/18/2009 10:18:52 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: cubreporter
The Vatican has spoken out against abortion consistently and with great force. There is no ambiguity on the Church's position.

The Vatican did speak out against the Obama invitation, which was represented by the highest U.S. Archbishop Burke, who called Notre Dame's invitation "the gravest scandal." Those are harsh words for Notre Dame straight from the Vatican. Burke has called Obama an "agent of death".
35 posted on 05/18/2009 10:30:20 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: bdeaner

Well, we could keep this up all day and it will go nowhere. I want to hear those same words from the mouth of the Pope. Not from someone else. That’s what the politicians do too. Don’t care to discuss this further as we are worlds apart. Have a nice day.


36 posted on 05/19/2009 7:22:10 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: cubreporter
Why then have we not heard from the Pope????

Because Bishop D'Arcy is actually doing his job, with the support of more than 70 of his brother Bishops in these United States.

37 posted on 05/19/2009 7:26:44 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: mware

It looks like “evolve” is the new buzz-word for the secularists. Look at the last word in this excerpt from yesterday’s Telegraph:

France’s First Lady said that the Church’s teachings had left her feeling “profoundly secular”.

She departed from her post’s traditional religious neutrality to accuse the Pope of “damaging” countries like Africa with his stance on birth control.

The Italian-born former supermodel risked angering believers in France and beyond by declaring that the Pontiff’s proclamations showed that the Church needed to “evolve”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/5345389/Carla-Bruni-criticises-Pope-Benedict-XVI.html


38 posted on 05/19/2009 7:31:21 AM PDT by Poe White Trash
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