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Dredging of Pollutants Begins in Hudson
NY Times ^ | May 16, 2009 | ANDREW C. REVKIN

Posted on 05/17/2009 5:51:52 PM PDT by neverdem

MOREAU, N.Y. — Twenty-five years after the federal government declared a long stretch of the Hudson River to be a contaminated Superfund site, the cleanup of its chief remaining source of pollution began here Friday with a single scoop of mud extracted by a computer-guided dredge.

Twelve dredges are to work round the clock, six days a week, into October, removing sediment laced with the chemicals known as PCBs. Mile-long freight trains running every several days will carry the dried mud to a hazardous-waste landfill in Texas.

An estimated 1.3 million pounds of PCBs, or polychlorinated biphenyls, flowed into the upper Hudson from two General Electric factories for three decades before they were banned, in 1977, as a health threat to people and wildlife. In high doses, they have been shown to cause cancer in animals and are listed by federal agencies as a probable human carcinogen.

“Today, the healing of the Hudson begins,” George Pavlou, the Environmental Protection Agency’s acting regional administrator, said under bright skies in a riverbank ceremony here as federal, state and local officials, G.E. representatives and environmental campaigners looked on.

Those gathered scrambled from a white tent to get a good view as a blue clamshell bucket rose slowly from the riverbed holding the first five cubic yards of mud. A lone duck paddled downriver along the far bank.

The dredging operation is the first phase of an operation that, if it continues as projected through 2015, could largely eliminate the Hudson’s last significant toxic legacy from an era of unfettered industrial activity and dumping.

While the Superfund site itself is 197 miles long, stretching from Hudson Falls, N.Y., to the southern tip of Manhattan, the initial phase involves spots along a six-mile segment south of Fort Edward, the hamlet across the river from this...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: health; hudson; hudsonriver; pcb; pcbs; science

1 posted on 05/17/2009 5:51:52 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I’d be willing to bet that they dredge up some really odd stuff...


2 posted on 05/17/2009 5:56:26 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (The emperor has no pedigree.)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

Jimmy Hoffa?


3 posted on 05/17/2009 5:57:14 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: neverdem
the Hudson’s last significant toxic legacy from an era of unfettered industrial activity and dumping.

Just a question: Is it "dumping" if the material you released was considered innocuous at the time you released it? As opposed to illegal (at the time) dispersal into the environment?

This could have a big effect upon operations that have relied on coal-burning, among other things...

4 posted on 05/17/2009 5:58:46 PM PDT by sionnsar ((Iran Azadi | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | "Also sprach Telethustra" - NonValueAdded)
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To: Rebelbase

You beat me to it!


5 posted on 05/17/2009 5:58:59 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: neverdem

There are several people who believe this just stir up crap that’s been covered over for years.


6 posted on 05/17/2009 5:59:03 PM PDT by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: neverdem; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; ...
Re: Twelve dredges are to work round the clock, six days a week, into October, removing sediment laced with the chemicals known as PCBs. Mile-long freight trains running every several days will carry the dried mud to a hazardous-waste landfill in Texas.

Gadzooks! If that ain't a reason to secede... what is???

Oh, well, time for the season final... of "Desperate Housewives" for us Desperate Old Housebots!

7 posted on 05/17/2009 5:59:08 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Rebelbase
Jimmy Hoffa?

It'll take a dna test to prove it...

8 posted on 05/17/2009 5:59:51 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the machines will break.)
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To: neverdem
This is in my old neck of the woods. We used to swim in the Hudson all the time and I don't have green skin or three eyes yet.

While I don't know a lot about this, I do remember reading that stirring up all this sentiment will be worse than just letting it be.

9 posted on 05/17/2009 6:00:08 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: Rebelbase
Mebbe. May look like dis:


10 posted on 05/17/2009 6:01:44 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (The emperor has no pedigree.)
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To: CaptRon
See my post #9.

I also remember being told that PCB used to be put on the dirt roads to minimize dust. How come no one wants to dig up those roads?

11 posted on 05/17/2009 6:02:31 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: synbad600

12 posted on 05/17/2009 6:02:45 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

I’ve felt like that after some late nights, fo sho.


13 posted on 05/17/2009 6:03:38 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: neverdem
Hey, wait a minute:

Bacteria Found That Can Clean Up PCBs Without Dredging

On second thought forget it, that would be too easy.

14 posted on 05/17/2009 6:05:24 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: neverdem

Uh, didn’t they have a documentary of something about how pristine the Hudson is now?


15 posted on 05/17/2009 6:05:40 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: synbad600

Yeah that is the excuse the Florida enviowackos use for banning drilling for oil or gas off their Gulf shores!


16 posted on 05/17/2009 6:05:55 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

The feds wouldn’t be able to soak GE for billions if they did that, you silly.


17 posted on 05/17/2009 6:06:38 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: andyssister; clinkclink; andyandval

Local ping.


18 posted on 05/17/2009 6:07:02 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: Red_Devil 232
A few years ago I was at the beach and there was so much oil on the shoreline/ in the water it was incredible. I went through an entire container of baby oil to get my feet clean.

No drilling was going on then.

19 posted on 05/17/2009 6:09:54 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: neverdem

****Twelve dredges are to work round the clock, six days a week, into October, removing sediment laced with the chemicals known as PCBs.****

We have a saying...”When you stir old s#!t it still stinks as bad as the first time!”

Why not leave it alone where it will be covered by other sediments instead of polluting Texas!


20 posted on 05/17/2009 6:11:16 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: neverdem
An estimated 1.3 million pounds of PCBs, or polychlorinated biphenyls, concrete shoes flowed into the upper Hudson.........
21 posted on 05/17/2009 6:11:39 PM PDT by edpc (01010111 01010100 01000110 00111111)
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To: neverdem

The methods (dredging) they are using only guarantee that large amounts of the PCB contaminants will just be released into the river flow and will be freshly deposited downstream. Where they were, these contaminated sediments were encapsulated with decades of uncontaminated sediment. Now, the PCBs will be completely exposed to the water and aquatic life and will be re-contaminating everything for years to come. There must be a democrat involved.


22 posted on 05/17/2009 6:11:46 PM PDT by thatdewd (2010 is coming soon...and THEY know it! THEY are afraid.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Thanks for the link.


23 posted on 05/17/2009 6:14:43 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

This stuff had been entombed in mud and sediment ... essentially cut off from anything it might have adversely affected. Now, it is all being stirred up and re-released into the river.


24 posted on 05/17/2009 6:18:10 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: neverdem

but they won’t dredge the pollutants from City Hall.


25 posted on 05/17/2009 6:19:55 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the machines will break.)
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To: freekitty
Uh, didn’t they have a documentary of something about how pristine the Hudson is now?

I remember reading a story in the NY Times that the lower Hudson around NYC was cleaned so much that wooden piers around the city resumed rotting again. Before, with all of the pollution, it inhibited the microorganisms that make wood in water rot.

26 posted on 05/17/2009 6:21:57 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: synbad600

I still live on the Hudson.


27 posted on 05/17/2009 6:22:45 PM PDT by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: neverdem

Will everybody interested in this issue also be getting daily updates through “The Dredge Report”?


28 posted on 05/17/2009 6:26:59 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Conservatives obey the rules. Leftists cheat. Who probably has the political advantage?)
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To: neverdem
Why take to crud to Texas?
Doesn't NYS have its own hazardous-waste landfill?

A few years ago they were testing the creek water which flows to the reservoirs. It was the only year that I noticed so many dead fish and cray fish. I wonder what was dumped in the water that year.

29 posted on 05/17/2009 6:32:36 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“Why not leave it alone where it will be covered by other sediments instead of polluting Texas!”

Not to mention stirring it up and some if it washing downstream and polluting otherwise non polluted river bottom.


30 posted on 05/17/2009 6:36:30 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: neverdem

I’ll be looking for a full expose on this reported by the NBC Nightly News. /sarc.


31 posted on 05/17/2009 6:38:06 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
"Why take to crud to Texas?"

should read:
Why take the crud to Texas?

32 posted on 05/17/2009 6:38:31 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: CaptRon
There are several people who believe this just stir up crap that’s been covered over for years.

Back in the 1970's when PCB's were a hot topic many studies were made as to what to do about the PCB's in the silt in the Hudson. The consensus was to leave the Hudson alone and let new silt cover the old, effectively sealing off the PCB's.

The PCB's in the Hudson came from several GE plants which began dumping the PCB's in the 1940's.

In the mid 1970's GE agreed to stop dumping the PCB's into the Hudson but since then PCB's have still been leaching into the river from various GE plants. So the premise that new silt would be free of PCB's proved to be false.

In 1976 GE reached agreement with the State of New York to spend a measly $4 million dollars on PCB research and monitoring PCB levels in the Hudson. In return GE was held blameless by the state for the massive pollution.

GE is still fighting with the federal government over the cost of the cleanup. Estimates to clean up the entire Hudson range into the many billions of dollars.

GE has been a big backer of Barack Obama (GE owns NBC and MSNBC - the All-Obama channels) so it will be interesting to see how they make out in their efforts to escape paying for the cleanup.

33 posted on 05/17/2009 6:38:42 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were a clueless idiot, and suppose you were Barack Obama; but I repeat myself)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
Doesn't NYS have its own hazardous-waste landfill?

Yes, they do.

It's called New York City.

34 posted on 05/17/2009 6:41:34 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were a clueless idiot, and suppose you were Barack Obama; but I repeat myself)
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To: CaptRon
Where?

I had such a grand time when I lived there, in Glens Falls. We even swam in the canal.

35 posted on 05/17/2009 6:42:36 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: synbad600

near TZ Bridge


36 posted on 05/17/2009 6:47:38 PM PDT by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Iron Munro
Why does NJ have more hazardous waste dumps than CA has lawyers?

Because NJ got first choice.

37 posted on 05/17/2009 6:49:21 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: El Gato; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; Dianna; ...
From peanuts to shellfish... Why are so many adults suddenly getting allergies?

First Swine Flu Death Reported in New York

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.

38 posted on 05/17/2009 6:58:17 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
Pete Seeger just turned ninety, the sloop Clearwater's in mothballs, GE moved and the Hudson's still muddy. Last I heard the sturgeon and the shad were running again. Saw eagles fishing from the Palisades across from Yankee Stadium in 2001.

Is this an environmental crisis or a financial one?
39 posted on 05/17/2009 7:13:47 PM PDT by BIGLOOK
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To: neverdem
Reminds me of the pollution scene of Naked Gun
40 posted on 05/17/2009 7:19:33 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: armymarinemom

LOL! Thanks for the link.


41 posted on 05/17/2009 7:42:07 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: synbad600

I went swimming in the Hudson once, back in the 70s. Broke out with an itchy rash all over my body. Never swam in it again.


42 posted on 05/17/2009 7:53:16 PM PDT by MantillaMilitant
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To: neverdem

GE the Green Company Right\s


43 posted on 05/17/2009 8:02:03 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: CaptRon

I grew up on the Hudson River. It was bad and had been cleaned up pretty good during the 70’s and 80’s. You can fish pretty clearly now and I think that the Hudson River will be stirred up badly by this round. Not a good idea and I do not understand why it is happening after all the progress.


44 posted on 05/17/2009 8:03:25 PM PDT by mojo114
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To: Vince Ferrer

It always seems that the goobermint chooses a technology that either makes the problem worse, or at best just plain does not work. Bioremediation is a proven technology for treating numerous contaminant components in effluents. Dupont has been successfully using biotreatment to eliminate nickel from their effluent (Fluor Corporation was the E&C on that project).


45 posted on 05/17/2009 8:17:54 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Minnesota - You all can go to hell. I'm going to Texas.)
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To: thatdewd

See my rsponse to Vince Ferrer. It would have been much better to inject PCB digesting bugs directly into the location of PCB contamination. But that is too obvious, so the politician (Dumbocrat of course) as a rule picks a method that make it worse. Just like corn based ethanol. And when the situation does gets worse, well, IT’S BUSH’S FAULT! (standard liberal way out of anything)


46 posted on 05/17/2009 8:22:51 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Minnesota - You all can go to hell. I'm going to Texas.)
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To: Fred Hayek

“And when the situation does gets worse, well, IT’S BUSH’S FAULT! (standard liberal way out of anything)”

Perhaps more significant is that goobers in gubberment agencies can clamor for more funds to ‘keep cleaning the Hudson’.

More Funds - what fun!


47 posted on 05/17/2009 11:39:27 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Iron Munro

funny, I thought it was Albany.


48 posted on 05/18/2009 3:54:26 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
funny, I thought it was Albany.

Definately - at least when the legislature is in session.

49 posted on 05/18/2009 12:41:29 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were a clueless idiot, and suppose you were Barack Obama; but I repeat myself)
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