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Notre Dame Becomes a Symbol of Catholic Dissent
Inside Catholic ^ | May 18, 2009 | Deal Hudson

Posted on 05/18/2009 8:50:45 AM PDT by NYer

The "party's over" at Notre Dame, as the old Comden and Green song says:

The party's over
It's time to call it a day
They've burst your pretty balloon
And taken the moon away
It's time to wind up the masquerade
Just make your mind up the piper must be paid

Notre Dame chose to honor President Obama. Fr. Jenkins defended the choice with arguments that should make a freshman blush.  The mainstream media glossed over the widespread criticism, the withdrawal of Amb. Mary Ann Glendon, and ridiculed demonstrators, like Fr. Frank Pavone, praying at the university's gate. 

But at the end the day, the party's over and Notre Dame will will pay for the piper for many years to come. 

What is the price?

 ND has become the symbol of dissent in the Catholic Church (a designation actually deserved by Boston College). 

Many bishops will no longer support the institution and many prospective students and their parents will look elsewhere.  Without those students, and the goodwill of the bishops, ND will become even more secular than it already is.

Until Fr. Jenkins leaves, and the board membership is overhauled, ND has destroyed its relationship with thousands of alums and hundreds of significant donors.  Millions will be lost by the university over the next decade.

The saddest thing of all, and the most tragic, Notre Dame has committed a scandal that, for the time being, has seriously divided and weakened the evangel of the Catholic Church.

The commencement itself, if you watched it, was a spectacle of non-stop self-congratulation, supercilious flattery, and scripted self-justification.  Eloquence was not to be found, though every inane claim to the moral highground received thunderous applause, until even the robed dignitaries placed carefully behind Obama began to look bewildered. Except for Fr. Jenkins, of course, whose face beamed with the delight of a boy who had avoided punishment for coming home with a failing report card. 

I recommend everyone put this behind them and pay attention to the meeting today between President Obama and Prime Minister Netanyahu at the White House. The president is far better on the issue of Israel and Palestine than he is on the Catholic Church and its teaching on life issues.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; US: Indiana
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1 posted on 05/18/2009 8:50:46 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 05/18/2009 8:51:16 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

For Shame!! Notre Dame!! Replace Touchdown Jesus with touchdown Obama and be done with it.


3 posted on 05/18/2009 8:53:54 AM PDT by BipolarBob (It takes a Kenyan village to raise a US president.)
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To: NYer
"dissent?"

You mean, as in orthodox catholics "dissenting" from the presumptuous superiority of media catholics?

Because if your talking about the Notre Dame position, that's not dissent. It's apostasy.

Obama, the great uniter, the apostaciser.

4 posted on 05/18/2009 8:54:01 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the machines will break.)
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To: NYer
The president is far better on the issue of Israel and Palestine than ............??????

By “the president” you must be referring to someone other then “Zero”.

5 posted on 05/18/2009 8:56:40 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Marsoc Dad)
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To: NYer

Boycott ND televised events if you aren’t an alum; hurt them in the wallet.


6 posted on 05/18/2009 9:03:11 AM PDT by steve8714 (Modern liturgy; touchy, feely, inane.)
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To: NYer

Notre Dame has already shown itself to be more secular than Arizona State University where Obama did give the commencement address but was not awarded an honorary degree. If ND hadn’t given him that, the fact of his having given his speech wouldn’t have been such an issue. It was a way by which the university could poke faithful Catholics in the eye with a very sharp stick.


7 posted on 05/18/2009 9:03:22 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: NYer

The lesson to be learned by this whole affair is that, with few exceptions, one can say anything, do anything, believe anything, and still be in Communion with the Catholic Church.

Bottom line: there are no standards.


8 posted on 05/18/2009 9:04:59 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("Mr. President, I support you but not your mission. I'm showing my patriotism through dissent.")
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To: NYer
Except for Fr. Jenkins, of course, whose face beamed with the delight of a boy who had avoided punishment for coming home with a failing report card.

"O villain, villain, smiling, damned villain!"
Hamlet (Act I, Scene V, 106)

9 posted on 05/18/2009 9:05:52 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow

Good line!


10 posted on 05/18/2009 9:06:34 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: NYer
The president is far better on the issue of Israel and Palestine than he is on the Catholic Church and its teaching on life issues.

I don't know what Deal Hudson is smoking. He's normally a pretty smart guy.

Obama hates the Catholic Church and has taken this opportunity to try to damage and divide it.

Obama also hates Evangelicals, and will continue the campaign to demonize them as dangerous right-wing fanatics.

And Obama hates Jews. He intends to destroy Israel on behalf of Islam.

It's as simple as that.

11 posted on 05/18/2009 9:07:35 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NYer

Notre Dame Becomes a Symbol of Catholic Dissent Heretics.

There, fixed.
12 posted on 05/18/2009 9:09:01 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: NYer
Until Fr. Jenkins leaves, and the board membership is overhauled, ND has destroyed its relationship with thousands of alums and hundreds of significant donors. Millions will be lost by the university over the next decade.

The saddest thing of all, and the most tragic, Notre Dame has committed a scandal that, for the time being, has seriously divided and weakened the evangel of the Catholic Church.

Sadly true, on both counts. This will only embolden those Catholics who are suspicious of the "Jesusland" types, with whom they lump any Catholic who they consider gauche, because they even bring up the subject of abortion.

13 posted on 05/18/2009 9:09:55 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Recon Dad
The president is far better on the issue of Israel and Palestine than ............??????

By “the president” you must be referring to someone other then “Zero”.

Unfortunately, conservative Catholics are not necessarily pro-Israel.

14 posted on 05/18/2009 9:12:21 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Haqrev 'et-matteh Levi veha`amadta 'oto lifney 'Aharon HaKohen; vesheretu 'oto.)
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To: marshmallow
The embarrassing Fr. Jenkins looked as though he wanted to give BO and BJ...
15 posted on 05/18/2009 9:12:26 AM PDT by Barney59 ("Amen")
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To: marshmallow
The embarrassing Fr. Jenkins looked as though he wanted to give BO a BJ...
16 posted on 05/18/2009 9:12:56 AM PDT by Barney59 ("Amen")
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To: NYer

I felt VERY sorry for the man sitting directly behind HolyO—he’s in the picture above, in the upper right corner—he looked like he was going to throw up the entire time, and would stand when others stood, but steadfastly refused to applaud the hypocrisy ND showed. >:-(


17 posted on 05/18/2009 9:14:10 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: NYer
Until Fr. Jenkins leaves, and the board membership is overhauled, ND has destroyed its relationship with thousands of alums and hundreds of significant donors. Millions will be lost by the university over the next decade.

It is long past due for true Catholics to close their checkbooks (and credit cards) to this modern, liberalistic institution who have methodically and systematically deceived a generation our of their money - their Church AND most importantly their Faith!

18 posted on 05/18/2009 9:15:21 AM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: NYer
The president is far better on the issue of Israel and Palestine than he is on the Catholic Church and its teaching on life issues.

This is UMTRUE. HolyO is planning to cutoff ties with Israel unless Israel BENDS to HolyO's plans for the country to commit genocide. Bibi's never going to be able to trust the USA to be the only friend to Israel, and when Israel's enemies attack, and God protects Israel as it says in the Bible, I just pray that God will not remove His protection from all of America because of TIIC of America!
19 posted on 05/18/2009 9:17:10 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: NYer

The definitive retrospective on the Notre Dame/Obama scandal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBR-t1s0gqg&feature=player_embedded


20 posted on 05/18/2009 9:17:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Independent Party - 'partisans only for the truth' - www.AIPNEWS.com)
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To: NYer
I've had a sort of detached view of this whole Notre Dame "scandal" story with Barack Obama.

The simple truth is that Notre Dame hasn't been a Catholic institution in decades. It's basically a large secular corporation that owns a mediocre football team and the copyright on a logo of a silly leprechaun with clenched fists.

21 posted on 05/18/2009 9:18:10 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: NYer
There would not have been so much a problem with N.D. inviting Obama as POTUS to speak at the commencement. The problem lay in honoring him with an honorary doctorate.

The Catholic Church has said that Catholic universities cannot bestow an honor upon someone who is opposed to Catholic doctrine. Obama's support for abortion, partial birth abortion, infanticide, embryonic stem cell research, etc. clearly marks him as someone who is opposed to Catholic doctrine. Because of this, the administrators of N.D., as a Catholic university, violated their responsibility to the Church. If they hadn't bestowed an honor upon him, it would be more difficult to maintain this. I think, though, that just asking him to speak there was extending to him an unmerited honor.

I can imagine Obama bestowing the Medal of Freedom on Osama bin Laden, justifying it completely in terms of process: Through his actions Osama really made Americans aware of the value of freedom; Osama worked very, very hard and poured his own funds into the venture against great odds; he risked his life for its success, in spite of being disabled with severe kidney malfunction. Hard work, self-sacrifice for an ideal, leading to an increased awareness of freedom. How should we NOT give the Medal of Freedom to someone who has accomplished all this?

Because you don't honor someone who is trying to destroy the institution bestowing the honor.
22 posted on 05/18/2009 9:19:05 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: NYer

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23 posted on 05/18/2009 9:21:09 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: HamiltonJay

apostasy.

plain and simple.


24 posted on 05/18/2009 9:21:09 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Cicero

You forgot that Fr. Jenkins is madly in love with HolyO and his speech was a slap in the face to all those who believe in the Catholic Church doctrines, and those of us non-Catholics who share that belief...both Jenkins and HolyO were such hypocrites in their speeches, that I could see a movie of the week being made over this mess—Jenkins talks about how we need to keep the lines of communication open...cut to praying protesters being snatched up and zip tied and dragged off to jail...HolyO talks about how we need to listed to both sides of the abortion issue, just because those who oppose it are wrong, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be listened to...cut to Norma M. being arrested and taken off to jail...etc etc etc...

It was absolutely horrifying to hear the approval and applause and standing ovations from nearly every person in that auditorium yesterday...Jesus is weeping that mankind, after all these millenium, STILL will sacrifice the unborn to Molech/HolyO/Jenkins! :*(


25 posted on 05/18/2009 9:22:11 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: pillut48

UMTRUE=UNTRUE

Man, I need to take a step back when I type when I’m so angry and come back and proofread better!


26 posted on 05/18/2009 9:23:30 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: NYer

I would really like to know what EVER made Notre Dame a Catholic university in the first place:

- Mandatory mass attendance?

- Required courses in Catholicism?

- Weekly confessionals?

The mere fact that it was “run” by the Catholic Church is a very loose definition of a true Catholic University.

Obama’s appearance, let alone the bestowal of an honorary degree, at a university named for the Mother of God is unquestionably a disaster of the first order, but how “Catholic” has Notre Dame ever been, even in its glory days?


27 posted on 05/18/2009 9:24:30 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: pillut48

listed=listen

Okay, time to take a break til I calm down.


28 posted on 05/18/2009 9:25:49 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: pillut48

The definitive retrospective on the Notre Dame/Obama scandal:

http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4666


29 posted on 05/18/2009 9:27:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Independent Party - 'partisans only for the truth' - www.AIPNEWS.com)
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30 posted on 05/18/2009 9:29:46 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: pillut48

I don’t disagree with you on that.

I read the transcripts but couldn’t stand the idea of watching the video.

This is war, with Obama as the agitator who brought it to a head, and Jenkins as the traitor who gave him that opportunity.

The Church now needs to make it very clear to all that Notre Dame does not represent what the Church stands for.


31 posted on 05/18/2009 9:32:25 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NYer

what did you people expect from a MUSLIM?

My question is ‘ is it ok to spit on him and call him a baby killer?’

it was ok for the enemy in the 60’s to do it to our returning soldiers.


32 posted on 05/18/2009 9:32:45 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: pillut48

They have been exposed.

It is good that the faithful now know the enemy a bit better.

“Identify Friend or Foe”

The most important part of any battle.


33 posted on 05/18/2009 9:36:14 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: NYer

"Look'it that guy they're dragging away now... isn't that that Weslin guy?"

34 posted on 05/18/2009 9:39:18 AM PDT by mikrofon (Reading from the book of the Apostates)
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To: EternalVigilance

Thank you! I heart Alan Keyes!

I hadn’t been aware that the Vatican DID address this issue—time will tell if they will follow-through and reprimand/(excommunicate?) Jenkins and ND for this outrageous, egregious flaunting of moral relevance.


35 posted on 05/18/2009 9:40:45 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: EternalVigilance

Thanks, I just watched Sean’s interview with Ambassador Keyes that you linked to.

Did you catch that moment when Obama came in and KISSED Fr. Keyes on the cheek?

It reminded me of the Kiss of Judas—except in this case we witness two Judases kissing each other as they conspire at the attempted destruction of the Church.

Someone should make a You-Tube video out of that.


36 posted on 05/18/2009 9:41:55 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Kansas58

BO must be real proud of himself. He got elected POTUS with no decent record or even presenting his qualifications, the world falls at his feet, and now a prominent representative of one of the world’s biggest and oldest religions has just chucked his principles in order to honor him. Now I see how Hitler did it.

This is so sickening....and dangerous.


37 posted on 05/18/2009 9:42:18 AM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: pillut48

Some of us tried to get Drudge to change that “silence of the Vatican” headline yesterday, which he got from Time Magazine, since it really was not true. Unfortunately he wasn’t listening or didn’t understand the matter.

The Vatican has spoken out very clearly on this matter, and the local bishop has spoken out very clearly, but Fr. Jenkins has closed his ears to it—and Obama is guiding the propaganda campaign through the media. That is part of the scandal.


38 posted on 05/18/2009 9:44:44 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

I mean Fr. Jenkins, not Fr. Keyes. Good grief, time for a lunch break.


39 posted on 05/18/2009 9:45:17 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: pillut48

Actually, the Vatican and popes have addressed this issue for many, many years. I don’t know that they can say it better than “unspeakable crime”. Fr. Jenkins has not heard it.


40 posted on 05/18/2009 9:51:51 AM PDT by ducdriver (judica me, Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta. (Ps. 42))
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To: Aria

Worst yet, is how easy it will be for the Antichrist.


41 posted on 05/18/2009 9:55:49 AM PDT by usslsm51
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To: NYer

Great essay until you get to the last sentence. The author completely loses it there.


42 posted on 05/18/2009 9:56:55 AM PDT by Faith
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To: usslsm51
Worst yet, is how easy it will be for the Antichrist.

Yes. This is a trial run.

Wake up, America! Eternity is a very long time.

43 posted on 05/18/2009 9:59:28 AM PDT by Faith
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To: Aria
Obama was like Jello, before the last election.

We could not pin him down, on ANYTHING!

That will not be the case in 2 years or in 4 years.

Yes, much damage will be done between now and then, but like Carter giving us Reagan, like Clinton giving us Republican control of Congress -—

Obama WILL see a backlash. People who wanted “change” and thought conservatives were nuts, in our characterizations of Obama, will now see the truth.

The public must be TAUGHT by example. Obama had no record to attack. Well, he did, but his record was so slim that it was difficult for us to prove our points. He often lied about his record, as he STILL does.

Swing voters were mad at Bush.

Now, swing voters will be mad at Pelosi and Reid and Obama.

The winds are shifting.

44 posted on 05/18/2009 10:00:02 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: the invisib1e hand

I think I should have said, “heresy.”


45 posted on 05/18/2009 10:01:04 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the machines will break.)
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To: ducdriver

Actions speak louder than words. ND should be sued into removing any mention or reference to the Catholic Church, since they obviously don’t hold true to the beliefs of that religious body! Jenkins should be excommunicated as well—but he probably won’t be because it isn’t politically correct or something in the Church, sadly. :*( And those students who have been corrupted by ND’s false teachings, and now HolyO’s endorsement, will go out into the world and spread those horrific lies, that abortion is OKAY as long as we all decide to agree to disagree.

This is crazy!! :*(


46 posted on 05/18/2009 10:04:26 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: NYer

“Catholic Dissent” = Protestantism

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Just don’t honor evil people who advocate pre and post-delivery baby murder (Obama) and call it Catholic.


47 posted on 05/18/2009 10:05:02 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Chains you can believe in.)
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To: NYer

I find it depressing to no end how many “Catholics” don’t care a whit about what the Catholic Church teaches. We are paying the price for decades of poor catechesis and the impunity with which Catholic politicians, like Rev. Drinan, Cuomo, the Kennedies, Ferraro, Kerry, Pelosi, Biden, etc. have been able to thumb their noses at Catholic Church while still claiming to be “good Catholics” for purposes of getting the votes of little old Irish and Italian churchgoing ladies.


48 posted on 05/18/2009 10:11:58 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Kansas58

I too hope they shift.

The thing about abortion is...we had Republicans in the WH and Congress and what was done? You’d think at least partial birth abortion would have been outlawed.

I just read this a.m. that Michelle Obama considers PBA a “letitimate medical procedure”. And she is supposed to be smart? She’s either stupid or evil.


49 posted on 05/18/2009 10:22:17 AM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: Jeff Chandler

I watched this scandal yesterday. It was sickening.


50 posted on 05/18/2009 10:23:06 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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