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Posted on 05/18/2009 9:31:00 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
VANCOUVER, Wash. — Rain washed away seven miles' worth of fresh highway paint in north Clark County last week. The incident occurred Wednesday, after a crew of six state transportation workers had spent much of the day carefully restriping the centerline and fog lines on seven miles of Highway 503 between Lewisville Park and Amboy. They paused as a soft rain began falling in the afternoon. Workers were using a new water-based paint designed to work in cold weather, but on Wednesday the rain revealed it was a bad batch. Motorists called the state Department of Transportation (DOT) office in Vancouver to report that all the fresh paint was swiftly going the way of a first-grader's watercolor — including areas painted hours before. Dan Gruenberg, maintenance supervisor for the DOT in Vancouver, said the paint manufacturer, whom he would not identify, agreed to swap out an entire truckload — 2,940 gallons — included in the batch.
(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...
The Dummies of Transportation (DOT) never considered a water based paint designed to work in water?
Hark,, I hear the music that ended the Three Stooges show !!!!!
Perhaps they can use it to paint the shipping lanes in the harbor.
They claim it was a bad batch of paint...
Wait a second. They used water-based paint to paint lines on a public road? Even government workers can’t be this stupid...can they? Have these people ever heard of RAIN?
They’d have better luck marking the lines with millions and millions of Post-it notes.
Not in Washington, especially Western Washington.
I mean it’s not like it rains a lot in Clark County, or anything. LOL! It’s a freaking RAIN FOREST for gods sake. What idiots.
Odd.
They were painting with a water-based paint - in the (cold) and fog - on a wet (and dirty, and oil-spotted) road surface - and then wondered why the paint washed off - when it rained.
I wonder if the government hired the men who painted the stripes, or if the government hired the bureacrats who demanded a water-based paint be used - since an oil-based paint would contribute to global warming as it evaporated or letting oil get washed off into the creeks and ditches, or of the government planned the road-painting for a wet and foggy day, or if the government sent them out into the rain and fog to paint the road with a water-based paint in the first place, or if the government paid them to paint a few miles of wet road and then drive off - while the paint washed off the road in visible streaks.
Nah. The government is going to run our health care professionally and smartly. And at no cost.
The Commissars [and of course Queen Christine] who run the Soviet of Washington are so in the tank for the eco-wackos, they would never approach a problem from a practical point of view. No, they must take the advice of the out-of-control environmentalists and that’s why we have water soluble paint in a climate where it rains or has high humidity over 300 days a year! Go figure! Have they ever heard of a quick-drying non-water based paint? So what if there is lead in it? How many people are going to get down on their knees and lick the paint off the roads??? Oh, oops, wait a minute. This is Washington. You never know. There is probably a rehab program [at state expense of course] for recovering road-lickers. Ah, the joys of the Evergreen State.
One the other hand....wide lanes!
There isn’t anything inherently wrong with a water based paint for that application. I presume that as the paint ‘dries’ there is a chemical reaction to harden the paint in a way that it is no longer water soluable, much like cement is ‘water based’ but it actually ‘sets’ instead of dries.
Ok. Call me a dummy, but what is a fog line?
I don’t know either, but I would guess they are referring to the shoulder lines?
Sure...but it doesn't rain in Washington.
The area in question is the small dark green zone just above the Oregon state line. The lowest to the right in Washington State. Which (other than parts of Hawaii) is the wettest state in the USA.
It’s the white line to the right of your vehicle as you travel down the road.
They claim it was a bad batch of paint...
I know but it still seems silly....
Ok. Call me a dummy, but what is a fog line?
The last thing you see before you hit the tree.....
Perhaps they can use it to paint the shipping lanes in the harbor.
Best post of the day!....
The reward for a job well done (in private industry) is more work.
The reward for a job poorly done (in the gov’t) is more work.
Intersting map, 2004-2005. 30 years ago there would have been a section of 80+ inch rainfall along the crest of the Smokies and Blue Ridge in NC.
Aha. Now I know.
You're not kidding.
Hit an incredible downpour on the Interstate going through the mountains between Knoxville and Gatlinburgh (sp?) that I've never forgot and never will.
Unbelievable.
Lent an entirely new meaning to the term hydroplaning.
They switched to a "cheaper" or what-ever paint for the license plates... after a year or two all the paint washed off and the license plates were illegible. Oops.
like grandpa used to say “ If it ain’t broke,...Don’t fix it! “
Subtext - Washington state taxpayers take it in the shorts . . . . AGAIN!!!
In all likelihood, the taxpayers will pay the same money for more paint and the worker’s time to go back out and redo it!!!
After all, to the WA DOT, it’s not THEIR money, it’s OPM (Other People’s Money)!!!
Intersting map, 2004-2005. 30 years ago there would have been a section of 80+ inch rainfall along the crest of the Smokies and Blue Ridge in NC.
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Yeah, what happened? When I first went to the Smokies you needed a jacket in the middle of the day in July and you could hardly ever see anything because of clouds and fog. The last time I was there it was hot and dry.
There are also some left line straddlers that for some reason straddle the middle of the road line(s). It is rare to spot one of these drivers. I think they die early.
Well, son, you should be careful to be correct yourself, before you call other people idiots. Clark County is not particularly wet -- about 40" of rain around Vancouver, mostly between November and March. The rainforest is up on the Peninsula, which is quite a long way to the north....
That's not what the article said.
Heh, heh. We have more words for rain than eskimos have for snow. ;)
Yeah, sometimes it is not what we think. 'Course, other times it IS stupid:
I don’t know what happened but if this spring is any indication, it’s gonna be a cool/wet summer.
The map in the illustration is based on 200 years of data; the copyright was 2004-2005.
The nation is only a bit older than the data collection.
I live in Clark County. While we probably get 40” of rain in Vancouver, which in on the Columbia River, up in Amboy (which is where they were painting) is a whole different ecology. It’s the edge of the large forest wilderness between Mt. Adams and Mt. St. Helens. It rains A LOT more there than it does in town.
If you look at the map I posted you can see that there is a very high rain area down somewhere around this area, not just up in the Olympic Peninsula.
If you go hiking or hunting up there you will find yourself in a forest with many signifiers of temperate rain forest: large ferns, thick chaparel on ridges, etc.
There is six feet of snow today on the side out Mt. Adams today, according to the ranger report. (It’s not a glacier covered mountain to the same extent as Mt. Hood and Mt. Ranier). Also, many of the roads are washed out from the winter & spring rains, per the web site.
I’m sticking with my take that it’s a pretty idiotic place to use water soluable paints. (And I pay taxes for these guys)
And yet you said it's a rain forest?!!? Man oh man....
I’m sticking with my take that it’s a pretty idiotic place to use water soluable paints. (And I pay taxes for these guys)
Concrete is also "water soluble" before it dries. Then it's not water soluble anymore.
As the story notes, this was a quality problem with the paint, not something intrinsically stupid.
Here in Ohio, we call them "edge lines." ;-)
Streams that head on the volcano enter three main river systems -- the Toutle River on the north and north-west, the Kalama River on the west, and the Lewis River on the south and east. The streams are fed by abundant rain and snow that dump an average of about 140 inches of water on Mount St. Helens a year, according to National Weather Service data. The Lewis River is impounded by three dams for hydropower generation. The southern and eastern sides of the volcano drain into an upstream impoundment, the Swift Reservoir, which is directly south of the volcano.
Meanwhile, the Wikipedia article clearly calls out the Mt. St. Helens area as a temperate rainforest:
Some of the best forests are found in Olympic National Park, Mount Rainier National Park, Tongass National Forest, Mount St. Helens National Monument, Redwood National Park, and throughout British Columbia (including British Columbia's Coastal Mountain Ranges) with the coastal Great Bear Rainforest being the largest temperate rainforest found in the world.
Amboy's not on the map, but it's 1/2 way between Battleground and Cougar.
Here ya go
Yeah, and I'm right, as demonstrated in the posting above. Apology accepted in advance for your condescending comments, made in good faith but still in error.
That is exactly the one I was looking for!
All right. I'll apologize about the rain.
You, meanwhile, should do as the manufacturer did, and admit your error on the paint.
Thank you for the correction. The years when a portion of the NC mountains received 80-100 inches of was averaged out.
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