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Report: Obama will require overall fuel economy standard of 35 miles per gallon
AP on Yahoo ^ | 5/18/09 | Ken Thomas and Philip Elliott

Posted on 05/18/2009 1:09:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

President Barack Obama will issue new vehicle emission standards and pair them with a broader goal of reducing pollution, marking the first time limits on greenhouse gases will be linked to federal standards for cars and trucks.

The Wall Street Journal reported that the administration will raise fuel economy standards to 35 miles per gallon by 2016, four years earlier than federal law requires.

Officials familiar with the administration's discussions say Obama will unveil the new standards on Tuesday. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the official announcement had not been made.

California, 13 other states and the District of Columbia have urged the federal government to let them enact more stringent standards than the federal government's requirements. The states' regulations would cut greenhouse gas emissions by 30 percent in new cars and trucks by 2016.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fueleconomy; gallon; greenhousegases; obama
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1 posted on 05/18/2009 1:09:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

This will destroy the last vestiges of an auto industry in the United States.


2 posted on 05/18/2009 1:10:59 PM PDT by henkster (The GOP is housebroken window-dressing displayed to portray the fiction of a Republic.)
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To: henkster

Who will buy the cars of Government Motors?

YOU WILL sucka

/Baraq


3 posted on 05/18/2009 1:12:29 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: NormsRevenge

4 posted on 05/18/2009 1:12:56 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: NormsRevenge

Isn’t it the right of the States to determine this? Where does it state in the Constitution that the feds have the right to demand this. Just as our water rights......they belong to the States....not the feds.


5 posted on 05/18/2009 1:13:08 PM PDT by RC2
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To: henkster

This is designed to destroy Ford next.

Meanwhile the college grads at Notre Dame the abortion school cheer him. Good luck finding a job kids.


6 posted on 05/18/2009 1:13:27 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: NormsRevenge

So much for the F150.

Can’t say I didn’t see it coming.


7 posted on 05/18/2009 1:13:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Why stop at 35...Why not 100 MPH? I say the same thing about minimum wage. These folks are just plain crazy.


8 posted on 05/18/2009 1:13:53 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: henkster
Does a president have the authority to set such standards. And, if so, from where does he derive it??

Just curious!!

9 posted on 05/18/2009 1:13:54 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: RC2
Where does it state in the Constitution that the feds have the right to demand this.

It's right there emanating from one of the penumbras.

10 posted on 05/18/2009 1:14:04 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I read in a car mag this morning (Road and Track June ‘09 issue) that California intends to further raise the fuel economy standards via their ability to raise CO2 emissions regulations. Supposedly, by that same time, if the auto makers abide by their pending rules, it would require an average fuel economy over 40mpg across the line...

And when vehicles cost twice their current price, come equipped with batteries and other systems that no-one can work on, much less the hazardous materials involved that will fill landfills and create more pollution in the long-term, and all the other ills (like insanely small and lightweight autos that are squished from hitting much more than a pothole or a low speed collision with a shopping cart...

Before the automobile, California had smog. But they get to decide the entire country’s rules and regulations.

And we wonder why automakers are dying...


11 posted on 05/18/2009 1:14:59 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: henkster
only way to do that is smaller engines and lighter vehicles. and that means they just got significantly less safe.

but since BHO owns GM now, he can force them to build whatever kind of car he wants.

12 posted on 05/18/2009 1:15:50 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie
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To: NormsRevenge

This is supposed to be implemented in conjunction with the move to legalize millions of illegal aliens in this country. The whole purpose of this two-pronged initiative is to mandate higher fuel mileage standards while at the same time “normalizing” a new underclass whose sole purpose will be to buy crummy little fuel-efficient cars. This way our American-born consumers will still be able to drive their SUVs, minivans, pickup trucks, etc. even as fuel mileage standards rise substantially.


13 posted on 05/18/2009 1:16:39 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: RC2
Isn’t it the right of the States to determine this? Where does it state in the Constitution that the feds have the right to demand this. Just as our water rights......they belong to the States....not the feds.

Technically, yes, this should be a state by state issue. But guess what... the US Constitution means absolutely nothing now. States' rights died with the Civil War.

14 posted on 05/18/2009 1:16:42 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: NormsRevenge

Looks like “his highness” will not be going anywhere since not one of his fleet to transport vehicles can come close to 35MPG. Maybe some good will come out of this.


15 posted on 05/18/2009 1:17:59 PM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: henkster
No, this is all about destroying the middle class - the poor will get mass-transit subsidies and the rich (I'm talking about the elitist rich like celebrities and liberal politicians, not the hard-working rich) will still have their private jets and limos and won't be affected by this crap.

All Republicans should be screaming bloody murder over this and taking to the airwaves.

16 posted on 05/18/2009 1:18:23 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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To: NormsRevenge

He has no authority under the Constitution to undertake this. We need to arouse people to stop this madness.


17 posted on 05/18/2009 1:19:10 PM PDT by bestintxas (It's great in Texas)
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To: NormsRevenge

Make his armored Caddy limo do that.


18 posted on 05/18/2009 1:19:17 PM PDT by xp38
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To: NormsRevenge

So long Old America - nice knowing ya. Freedom is so yesterday.


19 posted on 05/18/2009 1:19:25 PM PDT by cartervt2k
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To: RC2
Just as our water rights......they belong to the States....not the feds.

Accurate but irrelevant. The Federal Government is in charge of the very air you exhale.

20 posted on 05/18/2009 1:19:25 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
This is designed to destroy those evil rural red states!
21 posted on 05/18/2009 1:20:10 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Frantzie

Saint Ray-Ray has SPOKEN!

Holy, holy, holy!


22 posted on 05/18/2009 1:20:26 PM PDT by Mister Muggles
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To: NormsRevenge

How can a president require something of people and companies outside of the legal standard?


23 posted on 05/18/2009 1:20:29 PM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: napscoordinator
Government should mandate:

100 mpg fuel economy
$100 per hour minimum wage
1000 sf minimum living space per person

And while they are at it, why don't they mandate a cure to cancer and heart disease.

Maybe Obama can top that all off by parting the Red Sea when he visits a pig-free Egypt.

24 posted on 05/18/2009 1:20:37 PM PDT by Never on my watch (The scientist who would have discovered the cure to AIDS in the Amazon was aborted in January 1978)
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To: NormsRevenge

Governing via dictate makes you a Dictator.


25 posted on 05/18/2009 1:20:52 PM PDT by TexGuy (If it has the slimmest of chances of being considered sarcasm ... IT IS!)
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To: elpadre

Exactly. This isn’t even being legislated. It’s a White House directive. And this arrogant POS gets away with it.


26 posted on 05/18/2009 1:21:42 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: NormsRevenge

I have a Honda Fit. It gets 34 mpg. 35 mpg for all cars seems unrealistic.

The Fit is a good little car for about town and for summer driving, but not good for long trips or after snowstorms.


27 posted on 05/18/2009 1:22:15 PM PDT by mombi
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To: NormsRevenge
He trading barrels of oil form body bags.

This is because auto producers will be forced to make cars at much lowers weights which in turn will lead to more deaths as the lower mass cars will not be able to provide needed protection to their occupants.

28 posted on 05/18/2009 1:23:59 PM PDT by R0CK3T
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To: JohnBrowdie
only way to do that is smaller engines and lighter vehicles. and that means they just got significantly less safe.

but since BHO owns GM now, he can force them to build whatever kind of car he wants.

Time to buy some older, larger cars and put them away, along with some spare parts.

Seriously, I wonder if diesel has any role in this? It certainly makes sense, but saying "diesel" in front of an enviro-freak causes much the same reaction as saying "nuclear power."

Morons. We sit on hundreds of years of coal reserves, gas is being found in quantities unheard of in this country, and the shale oil deposits in Colorado and North Dakota may hold as much oil as has been burned since Col. Drake discovered it in 1859. Plus we have off shore oil and nukes. But these jackasses want to force us into unsafe cars and tax or regulate our industries to death.

We've got to unchain the beast, the drive and creativeness of the American economy. It is OVER unless we get rid of this charlatan, this pretender, in 2012, and de-ball him in 2010 by taking back a lot of seats then.

29 posted on 05/18/2009 1:24:06 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: mombi
The Fit is a good little car for about town and for summer driving

And that is perfectly fine. But no one in their right mind would put a loved one in one of those death traps on the interstate up against convoys of tracter trailers.

30 posted on 05/18/2009 1:24:26 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: JohnBrowdie

we have to understand all this means is that the democrap limosine rich will be able to drive their Humvees and their mercedes etc but only if most of we peasants drive the little tiny cars.....that way, if there is an accident, the rich democrap limosine liberal jerks will live and not be injured, and the little peasants will take the brunt of the crash.


31 posted on 05/18/2009 1:24:30 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cripplecreek
So much for the F150.

You'll probably still be able to buy an F350, and maybe an F250. But the F150 in the driveway is probably going away, and very quickly.

The heavier pickups will still be around as contractor vehicles but they will be priced too high or otherwise made unattractive to the average car buyer.

32 posted on 05/18/2009 1:24:34 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: R0CK3T

Yep, the “Law of Unintended Consequences” is about to rear its ugly head once again.


33 posted on 05/18/2009 1:25:12 PM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: NormsRevenge

intoxicated with himself after all the media kneeling in praise, this clown is a disater beliving the lies he’s been told....


34 posted on 05/18/2009 1:26:15 PM PDT by The Wizard (DemonRATS: enemies of America)
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To: jersey117
“It’s a White House directive...”

Apparently that is the only law that matters now. Obama can apparently now dictate technological breakthroughs. The laws of physics better not get in his way.

35 posted on 05/18/2009 1:27:18 PM PDT by Never on my watch (The scientist who would have discovered the cure to AIDS in the Amazon was aborted in January 1978)
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To: elpadre

Does a president have the authority to set such standards. And, if so, from where does he derive it??
Just curious!!

No and nowhere.
But hey when you are a dictator you do whatever you want tooas long as the fools,I mean the citizens allow you to...


36 posted on 05/18/2009 1:28:40 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: TheBattman

Yep, the State Rights part of our Constitution was eliminated by the great emancibater, honest Abe, Obama’s hero prez!


37 posted on 05/18/2009 1:29:00 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: NormsRevenge

You will now see the market for used, high performance vehicles accelerate to previously unseen levels.


38 posted on 05/18/2009 1:29:06 PM PDT by Jagman
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To: NormsRevenge

I’ll be buying used for the rest of my life to get the trucks I want to drive then. I;ll deal with it if that’s how they want to roll.


39 posted on 05/18/2009 1:30:03 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Why is it that Democrats assume that science and engineering can be done on demand?


40 posted on 05/18/2009 1:31:05 PM PDT by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Never on my watch

LOL,,I like that.


41 posted on 05/18/2009 1:31:23 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: nascarnation

“Who will buy the cars of Government Motors?”

Most of America. Choices will be either GM or Chicom because Korea, Japan and Europe will have tariffs so high people will have to finance them for 8 years.


42 posted on 05/18/2009 1:32:08 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: NormsRevenge
overall fuel economy standard of 35 miles per gallon

No problem, Mr. O. Just need you to sign this Official Presidential Directive, Mr. O.

  Official Presidential Directive #53122
  The term "mile" is now defined as exactly 3000 feet.
  That is all.

  signed
  _____________________
  Official President.
It's good to be king.
43 posted on 05/18/2009 1:32:20 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: dfwgator

I suspect the consequences are very much intended.


44 posted on 05/18/2009 1:33:18 PM PDT by thecabal (Hey Obama, when you gonna start sharin' the sacrifice?)
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To: TheBattman

I’m trying to understand this news item; If they’re setting a CAFE standard, wouldn’t that mean, more or less, business as usual, in that, they produce some oversized golf cart that gets 50 mph to offset the trucks getting 12 to 25 MPH?

I’m thinking that if that’s the case then.....this is window dressing.


45 posted on 05/18/2009 1:33:32 PM PDT by glide625
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To: henkster

THAT is his intention..


46 posted on 05/18/2009 1:35:23 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: glide625

Yep, and more lower-income people who can’t afford the larger cars and gas get killed on the highway—but don’t both Obama with such details!


47 posted on 05/18/2009 1:36:15 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: NormsRevenge
overall fuel economy standard of 35 miles per gallon

This is perfectly doable. Does not say the size of the fleet, so, as in statistics, just have to chose the proper value of "N" (or number of samples) to make it work. A value of 100 [car] would do. Who might be the lucky purchaser of these cars? However, we can do MUCH better. With an "n" of 1, could make the fleet average 1000 mpg. Heck, with a value of "n", the fleet average would be ∞ mpg.

48 posted on 05/18/2009 1:39:45 PM PDT by C210N (A patriot for a Conservative Renaissance!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

For my next car I’m going to buy a used city bus. I’ll then be able to run red lights, drive in the carpool lanes, and break traffic laws, and never get a ticket. Have you ever seen a public city bus pulled over for the crap they pull? And talk about comfort, I’ll fix it up inside, put in a jacuzzi, barbecue grill, kitchen, bedroom, smokers lounge, and run a bowling lane down the middle. In accidents a city bus beats a SUV. A bus is really the ultimate SUV, not just for poor people anymore.


49 posted on 05/18/2009 1:40:15 PM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: R0CK3T
This is because auto producers will be forced to make cars at much lowers weights which in turn will lead to more deaths as the lower mass cars will not be able to provide needed protection to their occupants.

Get ready for 55mph or less national speed limit....again. Make a solution to fix a problem they have created. Pretty simple eh?

50 posted on 05/18/2009 1:40:47 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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