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Airline mechanics who can't read English
WFAA-TV ^ | May 16, 2009 | Bryan Harris

Posted on 05/18/2009 9:29:30 PM PDT by MamaDearest

News 8 Investigates: Airline mechanics who can't read English

10:03 AM CDT on Saturday, May 16, 2009

By BYRON HARRIS / WFAA-TV

News 8 has recently revealed serious flaws in the way the FAA licenses mechanics who fix planes.

There is evidence of years of problems in testing these mechanics. There is also evidence that hundreds of mechanics with questionable licenses are working on aircraft in Texas.

Now there is evidence of repair facilities hiring low-wage mechanics who can't read English.

Twenty-one people were killed when U.S. Airways Express Flight 5481 crashed in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2003. The plane went wildly out of control on takeoff.

One reason for the crash, investigators found, was that mechanics incorrectly connected the cables to some of the plane's control surfaces in the repair shop. The FAA was cited for improper oversight of the repair process.

Repairing airplanes is a complicated business. Airplanes have many manuals. Typically, when mechanics repair a part, they open the manual, consult the book, and make the repair step-by-step, as if it were a recipe book.

They make a list of every action they take, so the next person to fix the plane (as well as the people who fly it) will know exactly what has been done.

If mechanics don't speak English, the international language of aviation, they can't read the manual and they can't record their activities.

There are more than 236 FAA-certified aircraft repair stations in Texas, according to the FAA's Web site. News 8 has learned that hundreds of the mechanics working in those shops do not speak English and are unable to read repair manuals for today's sophisticated aircraft.

Former FAA inspector Bill McNease told News 8 he regularly encountered applicants for pilots’ licenses who tried to pretend they could speak English — but could not.

"When I was based in Dallas, I had that happen every week," McNease said. "It was not uncommon at all to have foreign flight students. We had mechanics, but I handled the pilot end of it.... and I turned down people every week because they couldn't speak English."

"There are people [where I work] who do not know how to read a maintenance manual as they are spelled out, because they don't have a clue," said one certified aircraft mechanic who works at a Texas aircraft repair station. He wished to remain anonymous to protect his employment.

To certify a part for flight or repair an engine, a mechanic must be licensed by the FAA as an Airframe and Powerplant mechanic, known in the business as an "A&P."

News 8 discovered that mechanics at one licensing center in San Antonio were being tested in Spanish as late as last fall. The FAA ultimately shut the facility down.

Supervisors in Texas repair stations say they are supposed to oversee the repairs of dozens of untrained mechanics who can't read the manuals and can't write down the work they've done.

But the FAA does not require every person working at a repair station to be a certified A&P. One certified A&P can sign off on the work of dozens of uncertified mechanics.

That creates a huge problem, another certified mechanic told News 8. "I need an interpreter to talk to these people," he said. "They can't read the manuals, they can't write, and I have so many working for me I can't be sure of the work they've done."

To be sure of proper quality, the supervisor has to either re-do the work himself or take the chance that no mistakes have been made. There is a push to get work out the door and planes back in the air. But when he signs his name to certify the repair for flight, he is legally responsible for it.

The root of the problem is money, mechanics say. A certified mechanic can earn upwards of $25 an hour in Texas. Technicians who can't speak English are often hired for less than $10, according to mechanics interviewed by News 8.

"I've been wanting to leave this company since the day I got there," said one certified A&P. "But with the economy the way it is, I've got kids to feed and I have to stay there. I don't want to be anywhere near one of those planes when it kills somebody."

The FAA is supposed to police repair stations, but insiders say the agency is more focused on looking at paperwork than inspecting the facilities. Insiders also say inspectors warn repair stations when they're coming. "In Dallas, most of them would map it out and tell them what day they were going to be there," said Gene Bland, a former FAA inspector. Safety, mechanics say, is at risk. "In my opinion," said one, "company owners should all be locked up because someone's going to die eventually, if it hasn't already happened."

Texas' two biggest airlines, American and Southwest, both require mechanics and the technicians who work under them to speak, read and write English.

But mechanics who work elsewhere — whose repairs often end up on commercial airliners — say their shops are filled with non-English speakers.

The FAA declined to be interviewed for this report.

E-mail bharris@wfaa.com


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airline; aliens; english; mechanics
Undoubtedly another pro-amnesty industry (sarcasm). Noted the FAA declined to be interviewed for this report. Guess they didn't want to "offend" anyone - meanwhile passengers lives are in jeopardy....each and every day this practice is permitted to continue.
1 posted on 05/18/2009 9:29:31 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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OK.....everybody pony up ten bucks and let’s get this FReepathon over....

Thanks.


2 posted on 05/18/2009 9:31:55 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR. ....Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: MamaDearest

Oh,great....my hubbies flying home from Charlotte, NOT on SW or Alaska Air.....this week...


3 posted on 05/18/2009 9:36:29 PM PDT by goodnesswins (WE have a REPUBLIC.....IF we can KEEP IT!!!)
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To: MamaDearest

I’ve flown twice in the last 20 years. Thanks, but no thanks.


4 posted on 05/18/2009 9:40:10 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: goodnesswins

Between the manners of the passengers and the TSA, I just drive to where I want to go.


5 posted on 05/18/2009 9:42:54 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: MamaDearest

You can bet that every breathin ass that has anything to do with BO1 speaks english has had extensive background checks etc etc.The guy they’re hauling around sure as hell didnt meet any Q test.


6 posted on 05/18/2009 9:43:45 PM PDT by imahawk (Life is tough.It's even tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: BradyLS

Well....he’s TRYING to keep his job and save the company money.....and driving between Oregon and North Carolina.....well.....you’re probably safer flying, now that I think of it.


7 posted on 05/18/2009 9:48:14 PM PDT by goodnesswins (WE have a REPUBLIC.....IF we can KEEP IT!!!)
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To: MamaDearest
News 8 discovered that mechanics at one licensing center in San Antonio were being tested in Spanish as late as last fall. The FAA ultimately shut the facility down.

Good Gawd...Jail those running this facility.

8 posted on 05/18/2009 9:49:07 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: MamaDearest
Bookmark this.

There are more than 236 FAA-certified aircraft repair stations in Texas, according to the FAA's Web site. News 8 has learned that hundreds of the mechanics working in those shops do not speak English and are unable to read repair manuals for today's sophisticated aircraft.

9 posted on 05/18/2009 9:50:43 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: bgill

How dyou get from place to place?

I actually sort of yearn for the days when you could take a boat to foreign lands. Thats not possible these days, I guess.


10 posted on 05/18/2009 9:57:39 PM PDT by ketelone
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To: BradyLS

Same here........ even installed a bed tank in the truck so I don’t have to stop and buy fuel on my road trips !

Haven’t flown commercial since the TSA was formed. Won’t unless it is life and death matter requiring me somewhere fast for family either.......


11 posted on 05/18/2009 10:05:08 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: MamaDearest

As a long-time FAA licensed A & P mechanic I find this really disturbing. I can comprehend illegal Mexicans picking strawberries but working on an MD-80?


12 posted on 05/18/2009 10:10:27 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: Niteflyr
As a long-time FAA licensed A & P mechanic I find this really disturbing. I can comprehend illegal Mexicans picking strawberries but working on an MD-80?

I find this situation reprehensible. That the FAA has no comment on it, yet the situation persists is jaw-dropping.

IMHO this should be on the front page of every newspaper, given the number of people who fly on those aircraft frequently, or even no so frequently. It's definitely something I'd want to know before I made airline reservations to anywhere. Even more distressing is that there is no mention of outrage or resolution. For all we know, it persists to this very day by most major airline carriers who use Texas airline facilities. It's not reassuring news at all!!!!!

Once again Southwest Airlines comes out way ahead of the rest in a very good way.

13 posted on 05/18/2009 10:49:15 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: dragnet2
News 8 has learned that hundreds of the mechanics working in those shops do not speak English and are unable to read repair manuals for today's sophisticated aircraft.

It's an outrage. Frankly it's just as mind numbing as the multitudes of drivers who do not speak or read a word of English using US highways to get to their next job. What in the heck is wrong with the FAA in permitting this?

14 posted on 05/18/2009 10:52:47 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: MamaDearest
I find this situation reprehensible. That the FAA has no comment on it, yet the situation persists is jaw-dropping. IMHO this should be on the front page of every newspaper, given the number of people who fly on those aircraft frequently, or even no so frequently.

Very scary stuff, I agree. You know, they'll do everything they can to keep this off the front pages.

15 posted on 05/18/2009 10:55:45 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: ketelone
I actually sort of yearn for the days when you could take a boat to foreign lands.

Yeah, but then you've gotta worry about those rogue waves coming up from out of nowhere. It's always something, so I just stay home.
16 posted on 05/18/2009 10:56:19 PM PDT by mrsmel (Put the Gitmo terrorists near Capitol Hill.)
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To: dragnet2
The FAA ultimately shut the facility down.

Is the FAA a government agency shill or middleman for businesses that can't get enough cheap labor? Surely the pool of unemployed mechanics fluent in English could produce workers capable of reading instruction manuals. There is a point where corporations attempting to scrimp are going to be held liable for what happens when things go very wrong because they were penny cheap and pound foolish. The question is: how many people will die due to their negligence before they are held to account?

17 posted on 05/18/2009 10:59:19 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: mrsmel

You forgot to mention the pirates.


18 posted on 05/18/2009 11:00:17 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: dragnet2

Yep, it’ll be like everything else that advances the left even when to the detriment of safety of citizens, it’ll just be ignored until it passes off the radar and the next thing comes up. There’s so many such things that stem from the left’s policies, you can’t keep up. They count on that, and the sheer number of things like this, so many that people get overwhelmed and can’t keep track. It’s like trying to put out thousands of fires, just can’t be done.


19 posted on 05/18/2009 11:00:25 PM PDT by mrsmel (Put the Gitmo terrorists near Capitol Hill.)
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To: All

Must not comment.

I can’t read english.


20 posted on 05/18/2009 11:01:33 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: MamaDearest

Yes, there’s that too. Think I’ll move to some undiscovered holler in the Appalachians and use a horse and wagon if I need to go anywhere that much.


21 posted on 05/18/2009 11:01:57 PM PDT by mrsmel (Put the Gitmo terrorists near Capitol Hill.)
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To: MamaDearest
The question is: how many people will die due to their negligence before they are held to account?

Whatever the number will be, we can add it to the tens of thousands of American people, scattered all over the landscape, all victims of this lawless invasion.

Unfortunately, our so-called national leaders, are rarely held accountable for anything.

22 posted on 05/18/2009 11:04:27 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: MamaDearest
Once again Southwest Airlines comes out way ahead of the rest in a very good way.

I'm a licensed mechanic and pilot...a good friend is a retired Southwest pilot and I fly them wherever I can. One airline that is run correctly and has people who work for them that love their job.

23 posted on 05/18/2009 11:07:45 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: MamaDearest
Surely the pool of unemployed mechanics fluent in English could produce workers capable of reading instruction manuals.

To my knowledge there is no shortage of qualified A & Ps. Just another cost-cutting move by a company focused only on the bottom line.

24 posted on 05/18/2009 11:10:31 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: mrsmel

We had a taxi driver in Seattle that drove around a couple of blocks before flagging down a second cab and asking us to switch cabs. The second cabbie told us that the first driver couldn’t read English, so he couldn’t read the street signs. All he knew how to do was get to the ball field, science center, theater, etc.


25 posted on 05/18/2009 11:14:55 PM PDT by Eva (union motto - Aim for mediocrity, it's only fair.)
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To: Niteflyr
To my knowledge there is no shortage of qualified A & Ps. Just another cost-cutting move by a company focused only on the bottom line.
Ding ding ding. Many of the small airline shops are run by criminals. You wouldn't believe the stuff they get away with. Selling rented parts, hiring illegals etc...
26 posted on 05/18/2009 11:22:10 PM PDT by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: MamaDearest

27 posted on 05/18/2009 11:22:23 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: Eva

That just shouldn’t even be possible in this country. So much for the wise-cracking “Archie Bunker” stereotype. I suppose that’s been long-gone though.


28 posted on 05/18/2009 11:26:41 PM PDT by mrsmel (Put the Gitmo terrorists near Capitol Hill.)
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To: MamaDearest
Supervisors in Texas repair stations say they are supposed to oversee the repairs of dozens of untrained mechanics who can't read the manuals and can't write down the work they've done.

This ranks up there with Bush's Homeland Security Chief, where it was discovered he had people wandering around the inside of his private residence, that had entered this country illegally.

During war time!

Freaking loonytoons

29 posted on 05/18/2009 11:28:18 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: MamaDearest

bttt


30 posted on 05/19/2009 1:22:58 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I put in my share.........


31 posted on 05/19/2009 2:02:04 AM PDT by saintgermaine
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To: bgill
I’ve flown twice in the last 20 years. Thanks, but no thanks.

Just hope that you're not under the plane when it fall out of the sky...

Mark

32 posted on 05/19/2009 4:18:10 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MamaDearest
Wasn't Tom Daschell's wife a member of the FAA, and later, after retiring, a lobbiest for the airline industry?

Mark

33 posted on 05/19/2009 4:20:44 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: mrsmel

“Yeah, but then you’ve gotta worry about those rogue waves coming up from out of nowhere”

Nice metaphor applied to our current occupant of the White House.


34 posted on 05/19/2009 4:24:25 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: MamaDearest
Its all about ball bearings and a little WD-40. That'll fix you right up.


35 posted on 05/19/2009 5:22:13 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (The great object is that every man be armed. - Patrick Henry)
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To: saintgermaine

Thank you!!


36 posted on 05/19/2009 6:33:03 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR. ....Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: Niteflyr

bttt


37 posted on 05/19/2009 8:45:35 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Jet Jaguar
SHEESH!...I'm flying out to Phoenix a week from today...on Southwest, thank God...just another reason to fly SW.

And, yeah, I know it's hot there. ;) Five years in Central Texas prepared me for the AZ heat.

38 posted on 05/19/2009 9:51:11 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Obama....never saw a Bush molehill he couldn't make a mountain out of.......)
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To: CedarDave; LegendHasIt; Rogle; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; ...

A “you might want to see this” ping.


39 posted on 05/19/2009 9:52:07 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Obama....never saw a Bush molehill he couldn't make a mountain out of.......)
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To: MamaDearest
There are more than 236 FAA-certified aircraft repair stations in Texas, according to the FAA's Web site. News 8 has learned that hundreds of the mechanics working in those shops do not speak English and are unable to read repair manuals for today's sophisticated aircraft.

"There are people [where I work] who do not know how to read a maintenance manual as they are spelled out, because they don't have a clue," said one certified aircraft mechanic who works at a Texas aircraft repair station. He wished to remain anonymous to protect his employment.

To certify a part for flight or repair an engine, a mechanic must be licensed by the FAA as an Airframe and Powerplant mechanic, known in the business as an "A&P."

I have license muchacahos and toolbox. Airplane owners like us, and we work for less than you estúpido's.

Amigos jealous cause boss gives us company benefits, like 5 minute breaks, cause we fix jets and no complain.


40 posted on 05/19/2009 12:43:39 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
You made me smile (something I haven't done much of since November).

Knowing the amnesty bomb is being readied (LaRaza sitting in on meetings is one indication), the strategy appears to be inundating us with hot button issues so fast and furious, we react in shock and are stunned into submission.

My aviation source told me long ago that Southwest Airlines is far preferential when it comes to maintenance and lost luggage issues. Whether they continue in this manner is anyone's guess, since their competition seems to have an FAA free pass on issues that should be halting them from flying.

Of course airlines using non-English speaking mechanics for maintenance, find it less expensive to shell out hundreds of thousands for deaths and aircraft replacement than continuously pay higher paid English speaking mechanics and give them benefits. Knowing this, Southwest Airlines will be my airline of choice from here on in.

41 posted on 05/19/2009 5:00:50 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: dragnet2
I have license muchacahos and toolbox. Airplane owners like us, and we work for less than you estúpido's. Amigos jealous cause boss gives us company benefits, like 5 minute breaks, cause we fix jets and no complain.

Ha ha! That's probably how it goes. I need to scan my A & P license and do a little Photo Shop work and change the name to Juan Valdez, etc....

42 posted on 05/19/2009 6:21:13 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: Sig Sauer P220
Don't forget the Svetzer valve needs adjustment... (that was such a funny bit in that movie...)
43 posted on 05/19/2009 6:22:46 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: MamaDearest
Southwest Airlines will be my airline of choice from here on in.

I feel the same way. Good carrier...

44 posted on 05/19/2009 6:24:47 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; ExTexasRedhead; calcowgirl; Extremely Extreme Extremist

This is appalling, and ominous. It doesn’t make me want to fly the friendly skies.


45 posted on 05/19/2009 9:54:07 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The McCain/Palin ticket was like a Kangaroo, stronger on the bottom than at the top)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Are they speaking Iranian? If so, we do have a problem.


46 posted on 05/19/2009 9:56:06 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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BOOKMARK


47 posted on 05/20/2009 10:19:14 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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