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Obesity is best for heart disease sufferers
Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | May 19, 2009

Posted on 05/19/2009 1:34:22 AM PDT by Schnucki

Obesity may protect against death from heart disease, scientists from Louisiana claim.

Researchers found that obese heart patients respond better to strokes and heart attacks compared to normal or underweight patients.

Although obesity is a leading cause of heart disease, paradoxically scientists say fat and even high cholesterol may have protective benefits.

But researchers say losing weight is still best because obesity triggers more heart attacks and strokes.

Cardiologist Carl J. Lavie, of the Ochsner Medical Center in New Orleans, Louisiana, said: " Overweight heart patients do better than thin patients, but overweight patients who lose weight do best of all.

"It is important to remember that obesity is the leading cause of heart death, and overweight and obese patients have a much higher incidence of heart attacks and strokes."

The obesity paradox has been studied since Kamyar Kalantar-Zadeh published his findings in the journal Kidney International in 2003.

It is knowns as "reverse epidemiology" where obesity and even high cholesterol may have protective benefits and be associated with a greater survivability in certain groups of people such as the very elderly and those with certain chronic diseases.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: heartdisease; obesity

1 posted on 05/19/2009 1:34:23 AM PDT by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki

I’ll keep my “few extra pounds” so that if/when the time comes of serious illness or (in this uncertain financial climate) starvation occurs, I have some “reserves” to keep me going instead of wasting away. I am a firm believer of a person being “fat and fit” - cause I’m one of them :-)


2 posted on 05/19/2009 1:57:46 AM PDT by Grumpybutt (I'm Grumpybutt, and that's my two-cents worth ;-))
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To: Schnucki

You haveve one person thin, athletic with soaring cholesteral
and no heart disease and a pleasingly plump individual
with low cholesteral with chronic heart disease.

Double cheesburger, plaease.


3 posted on 05/19/2009 2:11:04 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: Schnucki

You haveve one person thin, athletic with soaring cholesteral
and no heart disease and a pleasingly plump individual
with low cholesteral with chronic heart disease.

Double cheesburger, plaease.


4 posted on 05/19/2009 2:11:19 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: Schnucki

No surprise here. People with bad habits will always manage to find some crackpot study to justify their continued bad behaviour. It’s often a lot easier to take refuge in crackpottery than making a positive change in their lives.


5 posted on 05/19/2009 2:18:38 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (Today I outlive Andre the Giant)
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To: Schnucki
I read something yesterday from some Doctor. The good Doc said the best way to get your vegetables is by eating steak. He said the cow ate grass and grain. So eating the cow gets the grass and grain in pure form.
Makes sense to me.
Prime Rib please I really need some veggies. . .
6 posted on 05/19/2009 2:36:17 AM PDT by DeaconRed (EVERYTHINGS BROKEN-HELP - We really need Change NOW. In 6 MO it's all over)
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To: Schnucki
" Overweight heart patients do better than thin patients, but overweight patients who lose weight do best of all."

Okay. So what is it? Stay plump or make (and keep) yourself skinny?

7 posted on 05/19/2009 3:04:35 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: SamAdams76
No surprise here. People with bad habits will always manage to find some crackpot study to justify their continued bad behaviour. It’s often a lot easier to take refuge in crackpottery than making a positive change in their lives.

Yep. Wanna bet Limbaugh jumps all over this.

I see so many truly obese people waddling around. I don't understand how they allow themselves to get so fat.

The true sin is seeing a family of fat people. Allowing your sons and daughters to become fat is a mortal sin in my book.

8 posted on 05/19/2009 3:20:02 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Schnucki

Todd O'Connor from Bill Swarski's Da Bears Fans... Just another heart attack.

9 posted on 05/19/2009 3:32:04 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Schnucki

Of all the really old people I see, I rarely see fat ones.


10 posted on 05/19/2009 3:47:15 AM PDT by muir_redwoods ( O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Asinine Mistake, America)
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To: Schnucki

What kind of research is this?? It’s better to be thin except when it’s better to be overweight......


11 posted on 05/19/2009 4:25:51 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: ChiMark

I have two friends who are beanpoles. They both have to watch their cholesterol levels like a hawk. One of them lost a brother to a heart attack - in his early 40’s. Another brother had a heart attack and survived. She got a check up and found that she had high cholesterol as well. She’s a lovely, slim young woman (early 40’s) who never imagined she would have this problem.

My mom lived to 80. She had asthma and other respiratory problems. She didn’t have any cholesterol problems until her later years, and she was quite overweight.


12 posted on 05/19/2009 4:26:56 AM PDT by sneakers ( NO AMERICAN BOWS TO ROYALTY - From president to ditch digger - NO AMERICAN BOWS! "Jim")
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To: raybbr

I wish my metabolism on you. It will teach you a few things.


13 posted on 05/19/2009 4:32:03 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: ElayneJ

Study was financed by the Fatburger chain.


14 posted on 05/19/2009 4:56:36 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: raybbr
I'm with you and once having been an obese person myself (and still struggling to not get back to that state), I'm ready to take on any slings and arrows that come my way.

I don't care how many "studies" show otherwise, being thin is far superior to being fat. And it is a shame to see parents allowing their children to get fat because they are setting them up for a lifetime of poor health and misery.

15 posted on 05/19/2009 7:43:59 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (Today I outlive Andre the Giant)
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To: TheOldLady
I wish my metabolism on you. It will teach you a few things.

What metabolism? Are not burning any calories at all? Are you taking in more than you burn? Are you saying you have a negative metabolic rate?

Tell me what is so different about your metabolism?

Also, do you think that all fat people are having metabolic problems or are simply lazy and eat too much?

16 posted on 05/19/2009 1:54:11 PM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: raybbr

Not at all. I’m just saying that some people have a LOT of trouble losing weight and/or not getting fat. Sure, some people (like Rush Limbaugh) overeat and never exercise and get fat. When they want to lose, they just stop overeating, and the pounds just fall off. Others can work their tails off and eat properly according to Fitday with a calculated calorie deficit and never lose weight. There are more of us then you might think.

Now, take a person who spends an hour on her treadmill every day except on the weekends at 3 MPH and 7.5% elevation burning 600 calories. She lifts weights for a half-hour three times a week. Then on Saturday, she and her husband go hiking on trails rated difficult and spend 4-8 hours huffing and puffing. On Sunday she rests but does some gardening and puttering around. She eats about 1400 calories per day, maybe 1600 on Saturday.

This is a thin person, right?

Wrong. That would be me, and I weighed 230 at the time and couldn’t lose an ounce.

The moment I couldn’t tread anymore, I cut my calories appropriately, but it’s hopeless for me. My encrinologist told me that I have a “survivor’s metabolism.” Fat lot of help that was.

Anyway, it’s hard for me to hear someone say that anyone who is fat “let himself get that way” or is a lazy overeater because we just are not all that way.

So, if you had my metabolism, you wouldn’t be so hard on me because you would learn the reality of my situation.

The thing is, you can’t tell by looking at us which ones are gluttons and which ones eat ‘way less than you do. That old “broad brush” thingy is just nasty.


17 posted on 05/19/2009 2:25:35 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady

I noticed with pets over the years that metabolism has a whole lot to do with it. In one case I had two small mammals of the same age — the one that ate all the time stayed skinny and the one that was a picky, fickle eater got fat. Same exercise, too. Genetics explains a whole bunch of it. So I don’t always buy the “it’s your fault” argument.


18 posted on 05/19/2009 2:32:34 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: muir_redwoods
Of all the really old people I see, I rarely see fat ones.

They're home eating. You're seeing the skinny old people coming back from all those doctor appointments.

19 posted on 05/19/2009 2:38:48 PM PDT by Stentor (The Criminal Obama Administration.)
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To: muir_redwoods

My mom is obese and is going to be 94 in a couple of weeks. I heard on the tube yesterday they have found a relationship between weight loss and dementia.


20 posted on 05/19/2009 2:43:23 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Schnucki

21 posted on 05/19/2009 2:43:46 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid things happen)
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To: Grumpybutt

You are correct. Some of us are hardwired for portleyness. I was <135 till 45 and then zoomed to 180. The extra mass is t support porlonged period of dearth.

There is apparently a line that when crossed causes the excess tobe harmful. For me that point is 210.


22 posted on 05/19/2009 2:52:46 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Crucify ! Crucify ! Crucify him!!)
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To: Grumpybutt

I am sure that you aren’t quite as fit as you think.


23 posted on 05/19/2009 3:00:00 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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