Skip to comments.No Fly List might become "No Gun" List
Posted on 05/19/2009 12:50:16 PM PDT by neverdem
NY Rep introduces bill to turn "No Fly" list into "no gun" list
Notorious Anti-gunner Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy has introduced a bill that would takes name from the so-called "no fly list" and place them in the National Instant Criminal Background Check system as ineligible to purchase a firearm.
H.R. 2401, the so-called "No Fly, No Buy Act of 2009" uses provisions of the Patriot Act and the Brady Bill to attack the Second Amendment rights of American travelers.
It should be no surprise that McCarthy, an anti-gun leader extraordinaire, would introduce such a bill. In recent years, such legislation by McCarthy wouldn't have stood much a chance of passage, but with Barack Obama in the White House and Nancy Pelosi banging the gun control gong in the House, this legislation has real support.
While this may seem like an innocuous bill to some, the so-called "No Fly" list is a highly inaccurate collection of names of suspected terrorists and completely innocent citizens.
A simple Google search brings up a myriad of instances where innocent Americans' names were placed on the so-called "No Fly List." Worse yet, the software used by Homeland Security is ancient and does not communicate well with the software used by airlines to track reservations.
A five year old Seattle boy was detained and kept from his mother, because his name was on the the "no fly list."
An Iraqi War Veteran and decorated United States Marine was prevent from flying because his name was also on the no fly list.
Even Members of Congress have found their names on the no fly list. Senator Ted Kennedy found his name on the list and despite his position of privileged, it took him weeks of direct personal appeals to get his name removed.
Even as recently as last fall, the Maryland State Police put 53 non-violent political activist on the "no fly" list simply because of their political views. This should certainly cause gun owners to squirm after the Department of Homeland Security has already made it acceptable for state and local law enforcement agencies to classify gun owners and gun rights activists as "domestic terrorists."
Some estimate that there are thousands of innocent names on the list which now has now grown to over 1 million names.
Additionally, many experts believe that keeping the list and corresponding software has cost the U.S. government over $1 billion, with not clear return on investment.
With all the of problems associated with the "no fly" list, passage of H.R. 2401 could be a huge problem for gun owners. With virtually no due process or real legal recourse for getting your name off the list, McCarthy has opened the door for a bureaucratic denial of firearm rights.
I didn’t know that flying was a Constitutional right.
It may eventually exist in some form, but there will have to be some sort of due process added in order to make it pass legal muster.
Rights don’t come from the Constitution.
To hell with these damn laws, I'll follow my conscience.
Wrong way to look at this. What clause in the Constitution gives the FedGov this power? I can’t think of one...
Hey Steni, have you seen this?
I thought we were supposed to have defeated the leftists on new gun legislation.
This is evil.
There’s no way literally short of an act of Congress, to get off the no-fly list.
This is just.
Keep looking up, Christians. Any day now.
Sorry congresswoman. The people on the list already have guns or can get them anytime they want whether this got passed or not.
It isn't, but you have the cart before the horse. This is where the Brady NICS check goes wrong. People can be denied their rights recognized by the Second Amendment denied without due process.
Neither does flying ... But I think you know what I meant.
The difference between and enumerated Constitutional Right and flying on an airplane is quite distinct.
Well that cinches it. We definitely don't want him having a gun...
Kennedy is proof you don't need a gun to kill someone.
Once the enumerated threshold was crossed in Heller, the bar went way up.
We need more lawyers willing to pursue
If the pilot or his company allows you to fly for whatever price, and you agree, then certainly you do have a right to fly. Where is the federal government allowed to prevent 2 parties from exchanging goods and services?
Kennedy should be on the list. Hell, all the booze on the flight would disappear if he were on my flight and I would be pissed.
California has the fruits and we in NY have the nuts.
Uhh, that would be a contract, not a right. Rights come from God.
The liberals have tried mightly to change the language regarding rights, healthcare, marriage rights and so on, and only partially succeeded. It worked with liberal though.
And do you not have a right to contract?
Does the federal government have the Constitutional power to prevent you from making contracts with other parties?