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Warning over new threat from MRSA (Back to your pig pen swine flu here comes SUPERBUG!)
BBC ^ | 5/20/09

Posted on 05/20/2009 7:53:02 AM PDT by Kartographer

A new strain of MRSA seems to be triggering a deadly form of pneumonia in people who catch flu, experts say.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: camrsa; mrsa; superbug

1 posted on 05/20/2009 7:53:03 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

The NHS is run by pigs, therefore MRSA is naturally going to be a big problem for them.


2 posted on 05/20/2009 7:54:06 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

Base Medical called me yesterday and wants me to get a pneumonia shot. Does anyone know if this will protect from this pneumonia??


3 posted on 05/20/2009 7:56:32 AM PDT by DeLaine (Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.)
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To: DeLaine

no idea.
check here:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5614a1.htm


4 posted on 05/20/2009 8:01:38 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Kartographer
I wonder how many people die annually of the plain-jane Influenza that we get flu shots for every year?
5 posted on 05/20/2009 8:03:45 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Kartographer

Once antibiotics prove ineffective, phages step in to kill MRSA.

No big deal.

http://www.aite.wroclaw.pl/phages/phages.html


6 posted on 05/20/2009 8:09:13 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: DeLaine

MRSA is staph (Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus); the “pneumonia shot” is Pneumovax, which immunizes against 23 types of Streptococcus Pneumoniae, aka “pneumococcus”.

No, the pneumonia vaccine will not prevent MRSA pneumonia, but will protect against the most common/invasive types of Pneumococcal pneumonia.


7 posted on 05/20/2009 8:13:07 AM PDT by Born Conservative (Bohicaville: http://bohicaville.wordpress.com/)
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To: TexasCajun
I wonder how many people die annually of the plain-jane Influenza that we get flu shots for every year?

The number I heard floating around is 36,000. 36k people die every year from the normal garden variety flu each year in the USA. I've seen sites that says it almost twice that, but the 36k is what I've heard on several news reports.

8 posted on 05/20/2009 8:15:48 AM PDT by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: TexasCajun
I wonder how many people die annually of the plain-jane Influenza that we get flu shots for every year?

It's not the actual influenza that kills people; it the secondary bacterial pneumonia that may cause death, as well as an exacerbation of a pre-existing chronic condition.

9 posted on 05/20/2009 8:17:20 AM PDT by Born Conservative (Bohicaville: http://bohicaville.wordpress.com/)
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To: Kartographer

Wow ! Another ginned up crisis for our great leader to seize upon.


10 posted on 05/20/2009 8:18:01 AM PDT by Reagan69 (No Representation without Taxation !)
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To: Reagan69

“As they walked home through the Hundred Acre Wood, Piglet thought to himself how wonderful it was to have a friend like Winnie the Pooh. And Pooh thought to himself, If the pig sneezes, he’s dead.”


11 posted on 05/20/2009 8:26:15 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Kartographer

I guess we should stay away from hospitals!


12 posted on 05/20/2009 8:28:49 AM PDT by RebelTXRose
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To: DeLaine

It will not


13 posted on 05/20/2009 8:30:15 AM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: TexasCajun

The CDC says 36,000 on average.


14 posted on 05/20/2009 8:30:56 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: Born Conservative

close but no cigar. Influenza pneumonia is also a killer.


15 posted on 05/20/2009 8:31:40 AM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: Kartographer

Someone is desperate to find a scourge, to justify ‘needed’ policy implementation.


16 posted on 05/20/2009 8:32:18 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Allimax - no prescription, cures MRSA


17 posted on 05/20/2009 8:33:50 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: DeLaine
Base Medical called me yesterday and wants me to get a pneumonia shot. Does anyone know if this will protect from this pneumonia??

I had 7 cases of pneumonia before getting the pneumonia vaccine. No cases since. It appears to work fine.

18 posted on 05/20/2009 8:43:35 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Scythian

MRSA has been out there for quite some time, at least 15 years. So has flesh eating disease. So have other things.

Every year or so the media gets a bur under their saddle and runs with a new report on them.

And yet somehow, life goes on.

The part that always confounds me, is this. The public can’t do jack s—t to prevent this. If you have to go to the hospital, you have to go to the hospital.

So why terrify people needlessly?


19 posted on 05/20/2009 8:44:27 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: Mom MD; All

Thank you. :)


20 posted on 05/20/2009 8:50:04 AM PDT by DeLaine (Navy blue)
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To: Kartographer

Grapefruit Seed Extract kills it.


21 posted on 05/20/2009 8:57:54 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I, El Rushbo -- and I say this happily -- have hijacked Obama's honeymoon.")
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To: DoughtyOne
Thanks for the info.

I had heard it was a very high number.

36,000 flu deaths per year must be an acceptable number since those deaths don't constitute a crisis or mass closings of schools, business and events?

22 posted on 05/20/2009 9:11:36 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

Those 36,000 deaths reflect a fact of life. People die.

We do what we can to prevent it, and accept the reality of it.

I still haven’t heard of one actual death of a U.S. Citizen from the latest swine flu, involving a person that wasn’t seriously compromised to start with.


23 posted on 05/20/2009 9:19:11 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: Kartographer

I disagree that this is just another “scare” drummed up by the media. This is a very serious problem that needs to be addressed, as our methods of treatment are dwindling rapidly. This isn’t the old days where if you skinned your knee, you clean it up and go on with your life. A simple scratch can literally kill you now.

I speak from some experience. I had (or have - if you believe the doctors when they say you never get rid of it) MRSA. In fact, I’ve battled it three times.

It started in early 2005. I was working on my house putting up sheetrock. While cutting a piece, I sliced my finger. It wasn’t a bad cut, but I thought I should go to the hospital for some stitches. I went in and walked out with two stitches - and a serious infection.

It didn’t come out until about four months later when I was backpacking with my son on the Appalachian Trail. I started to get what I thought were spider bites. I figured something had crawled into my sleeping bag and bit me. They kept getting bigger and more painful however, and when I got back I visited a doctor who did some tests. They came back positive for MRSA.

They put me on a heavy antibiotic regimen, and slowly, the lesions started to go away, then they disappeared entirely. I figured “whoo-hoo, I’m cured!”. But six months later, the lesions returned. This time, the doctor put me on a cocktail of several antibiotics, for a much longer period of time. The regimen killed every bacteria in my body - including the good ones. I experienced one of the nastiest cases of thrush you can imagine. I actually worried that I might be getting throat cancer.

Then - something worse happened.

I was working on some cement slabs in front of my house, trying to break them up, when the cement chisel rebounded out of the concrete and plunged into my leg. It hurt, and it was deep, but I certainly didn’t want to go back to that hospital for stitches and maybe another infection. So I cleaned it up, bandaged it well, and went on my way. Four days later, I couldn’t walk. My leg had swelled up and I was in excruciating pain. Heading to a specialist, he ran a lot of tests and determined that my MRSA had been carried by the chisel to the bone. After only four days, six inches of my tibia was infected. This was SERIOUS. The orthopedic surgeon (one of the best in Philadelphia) told me that they needed to stop it or would kill me. He told me that I should prepare for the possibility of amputation.

I was freaked.

I am an athlete. I played Division 1 hockey at a major university. I raced mountain bikes. I average about 2500 miles a year on my road bike. Now, I was faced with losing my leg - or worse, my life - all because of a stupid 1/2-inch cut on my thumb.

The doctors ran test after test. They installed a pick line in my heart and for four months, I was to plug into a piece of luggage each day for heavy antibiotic treatment. For the first two months, nothing changed. The infection persisted. The doctor very bluntly informed me that I need to get ready for amputation. I was very dismayed.

I went to the surgeon and asked him: “Look, I’m going to lose my leg. I understand that. It hurts like hell, but if I’m going to lose it anyway, can I at least get back on my bike?” I hadn’t been riding my bike since the bone infection had been diagnosed. The doctor thought for a moment, then said: “You know, what? I say ride your bike. I encourage you to do it. What’s the worse that could happen?”

It was from that day on, that my leg began to heal.

The doctors had several theories about my recovery. The best one they had was that the added circulation from my riding improved the flow of antibiotics past the bone. My bike probably saved my life - if not at least my leg.

Personally, I think I’ve been completely healed. It’s been three years since my last MRSA outbreak - although I still get paranoid when I see a pimple on my leg. I’m thinking that the assault of all of those antibiotics while being treated for my leg infection drove off the remaining MRSA bacteria. Doctors and nurses tell me I’m delusional. They say that I will always have MRSA and that it could come back at any time.

I’m hoping for the best, but this is a very serious problem. Normal methods of treatment work less and less on this infection. And as it builds immunity, we are running out of solutions. These bacteria were harmless only a generation before, but our insistence on taking antibiotics for every sniffle we’ve had over the years (ridiculous considering that these problems are caused by VIRUSES, not bacteria), we’ve backed ourselves into a corner that we may not be able to get out of soon.

Any infection can be deadly if not treated, but run out of treatments, and they all will be deadly.

In this case at least, the fears are justified.


24 posted on 05/20/2009 9:53:09 AM PDT by Magnatron
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To: Mom MD

http://infectiousdiseases.about.com/b/2009/04/30/swine-flu-death-by-influenza.htm

“In severe cases of untreated influenza, the infection can lead to pneumonia, which is the main cause of influenza death. In some cases of influenza, damage to the respiratory tissue allows other infectious microbes to invade and cause secondary infections, leading to bacterial pneumonia, which can also be fatal when untreated. There are an estimated 36,000 deaths due to seasonal influenza each year in the US.”

I misspoke; secondary bacterial pneumonia is the MAIN cause of death from influenza; I omitted Cytokine Storm, which affects young adults.


25 posted on 05/20/2009 10:25:09 AM PDT by Born Conservative (Bohicaville: http://bohicaville.wordpress.com/)
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To: Kartographer

One good way to suppress bad bugs in your mouth and throat is to use xylitol to sweeten coffee, tea, etc. The bugs eat the xylitol sensing it as a sugar, but it kills them since it is a sugar-alcohol. Xylitol is a synthetic sugar that has been in use for over 60 years. The only odd side effect is that it seems to counter osteoporosis for reasons not well understood.


26 posted on 05/20/2009 10:36:46 AM PDT by darth
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To: Born Conservative

actually if you read your own source, influenza pneumonia is the main cause of death. (viral pneumonia) It can not only kill directly but also leads to ARDS, (adult respiratory distress syndrome) which can be very nasty.


27 posted on 05/20/2009 10:45:52 AM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: DoughtyOne

What scares me about it though is that MRSA is very hard to kill. It often seems like it’s gone but it just stays undetected.


28 posted on 06/22/2009 7:54:45 AM PDT by MiddleEarth (With hope or without hope we'll follow the trail of our enemies. Woe to them, if we prove the faster)
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To: lovecraft; TexasCajun

The CDC makes this assessment: (36,000 is spot on)

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm


29 posted on 06/22/2009 10:54:52 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (_res__ent of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama)
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