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Ida: the Real Story of this “Scientific Breakthrough”
AiG ^ | May 21, 2009

Posted on 05/21/2009 10:38:06 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

So-called “missing link” Ida hit the media in a major way on Monday of this week, with even search engine Google falling prey to the hype and modifying its search page banner to show Ida. We quickly responded with a full article, Ida: the Missing Link at Last?

Yet within a few hours of the unveiling of the fossil—coordinated to coincide with the publication of the scientific paper on Ida—some better media outlets began to report some worrying things about the research. It seems as though the scientific process had been rushed and the claims exaggerated in a bid to promote a new documentary and book on the fossil. Sadly, media pressures sometimes trump full research integrity (something we’ve seen before), and careless media sources reprint explosive (and unjustified) quotations without consulting as many scientists as they should. Thankfully, though, many in the scientific community are questioning the research and beginning to become more vocal about their concerns regarding how good science and media aren’t the best mix.

But don’t just take our word for it—read these amazing excerpts that reveal the Ida hype for what it truly is...

(Excerpt) Read more at answersingenesis.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: creation; darwiniusmasillae; evolution; goodgodimnutz; ida; intelligentdesign
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1 posted on 05/21/2009 10:38:07 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 05/21/2009 10:38:37 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

So, how is bat boy doing these days?

And I see that the moon is in the 7th house and Jupiter has aligned with Mars.


3 posted on 05/21/2009 10:40:18 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Jørn Hurum, at the University of Oslo, the scientist who assembled the international team of researchers to study Ida is relaxed about using the phrase [“missing link” to describe Ida]. “Why not? I think we could use that phrase for this kind of specimen,” he said. “[People] have a feeling that if something is important it is a missing link.”

Hahahahahahaha....VERY scientific...hahahahahaha....


4 posted on 05/21/2009 10:41:38 AM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: jessduntno

“[People] have a feeling that if something is important it is a missing link.”

This idiot probably considers himself a missing link...he sure thinks he is something important...what an ass...


5 posted on 05/21/2009 10:44:41 AM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Aren’t there about a gazillion missing links they need to find in order to show macroevo?


6 posted on 05/21/2009 10:45:42 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ha ha ha! The “real story” from AiG. Aren’t we lucky to have GGG to keep us on the straight and narrow?


7 posted on 05/21/2009 10:48:30 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: HerrBlucher

Yes, and it is only getting worse for the Evos. It seems the more fossils they find, the more missing links they need to find to explain them. Trouble is, the missing never seem to materialize.


8 posted on 05/21/2009 10:53:11 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Misterioso

[[Ha ha ha! The “real story” from AiG. Aren’t we lucky to have GGG to keep us on the straight and narrow?]]

Yes we are lucky- without his postings, all we would have for ‘News’ would be left wing agendist material devoid of the FACTS, and heavy on propoganda- probably an ideal world value you treasure very much, but something that thoseof us who want ALL the facts without the agendist spin of macroevolution poluting the research could very well do without and be much hte wiser for it- GGG’s postings expose hte hypocrisy, deceit, and blatant outright lies in the main stream media and expose hte blatant bias that polute ‘science’ these days- so yes, we are lucky he’s posting the facts- regardless of whether they conflict with world views abotu wevolution or not- they are valuable insights into the propoganda that macroevolutionists try to pawn off on the unsuspecting public


9 posted on 05/21/2009 10:57:16 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: freedumb2003

==And I see that the moon is in the 7th house and Jupiter has aligned with Mars.

Funny you should mention that. A recent study came out that shows that Evo-atheists are far more likely than Bible-believing Christians to believe in everything from astrology, to big foot, to little green men on Mars.


10 posted on 05/21/2009 10:59:46 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Misterioso

Yes, you are.


11 posted on 05/21/2009 11:00:44 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Why don’t you creationist bozos give your own seriously flawed theory the same critique that most real scientists give their own pet theories. Bounce it against the data and the facts.


12 posted on 05/21/2009 11:01:56 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: GodGunsGuts

[[Funny you should mention that. A recent study came out that shows that Evo-atheists are far more likely than Bible-believing Christians to believe in everything from astrology, to big foot, to little green men on Mars.]]

I beleive htere are martian bigfoot astrologers- but I can’t prove it


13 posted on 05/21/2009 11:02:49 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Who made that atudy? A so called creation “scientist”?


14 posted on 05/21/2009 11:03:44 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: GodGunsGuts

It’s almost the 100th anniversary of the Piltdown Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_man


15 posted on 05/21/2009 11:04:30 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: GodGunsGuts
Trouble is, the missing never seem to materialize

Yep, but you can still have Dawkinsian Darwinism without the missing links i.e. ...aliens didn't just plant the first cell on earth, they planted the ancestors to all the species. There.....done....Athiesm is still true.....LOL!

16 posted on 05/21/2009 11:04:35 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: nuke rocketeer

[[Why don’t you creationist bozos]]

wow- you need more bran in your diet


17 posted on 05/21/2009 11:04:54 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Looks like the hype about the hype will outlive the hype.


18 posted on 05/21/2009 11:05:54 AM PDT by tacticalogic (w)
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To: GodGunsGuts

ida? you mean, ida noe? my kids told me she was real but i just did not believe it! wow, i guess this creature has descendents that live in my house and do all kinds of stuff and then blames my kids. do you think i should apologize to them for yelling “ there is no such creature as ida noe!”?


19 posted on 05/21/2009 11:14:42 AM PDT by madamemayhem (what would john wayne do?)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I knew this story would create a panic among the creationist.

Oh no. science! must ridicule! must supress!

So predictable.

20 posted on 05/21/2009 11:19:24 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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To: CottShop

Spell check?


21 posted on 05/21/2009 11:20:46 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: GodGunsGuts
A recent study came out that shows that Evo-atheists are far more likely than Bible-believing Christians to believe in everything from astrology, to big foot, to little green men on Mars.

More of your typical BS.

22 posted on 05/21/2009 11:23:47 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: nuke rocketeer

We do. That is one of the reasons why the HMS Creation is standing tall, and the HMS Beagle is sinking. The real “bozos” are those who believe that random processes and survival produce super-sophisticated bio-nano machines that merely give the “appearance” of being designed for a purpose. Who knew blind materialist processes could be such masters of illusion!

Let’s face it, the Temple of Darwin has lost its “tree of life”, has lost it’s prediction of “junk” DNA, has lost it’s phylogenetic predictions, is losing uniformitarianism in favor of catastrophism, and let’s not forget that its fortunes have not gotten any better (indeed, they have gotten far worse) in the other areas creation scientists have traditionally pointed to, such as the fossil record, cell complexity, etc, etc.

But don’t worry, the HMS Creation stands ready to rescue you when the call goes out from the HMS Beagle to abandon ship!


23 posted on 05/21/2009 11:24:23 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Jeff Gordon
You think exaggerating the significance of a find for the sake of press points is "science"? Evolution must be in more trouble than I thought.

Shalom.

24 posted on 05/21/2009 11:27:01 AM PDT by Buggman (HebrewRoot.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Jeff Gordon

Judging by the press reports, it sounds like the Evos are the ones who are starting to panic. Creationists are comfortably sitting back watching the Evos self destruct. Ida is just the latest example of another “missing link” that is going to blow up in the Evos faces. It seems the Evos capacity for destroying their own reputations knows no bounds...which works out very nicely for us :o)


25 posted on 05/21/2009 11:28:22 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Misterioso

Lucky indeed.


26 posted on 05/21/2009 11:33:04 AM PDT by beefree (Love the sinner, hate the sin)
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To: GodGunsGuts

So, is this just another tadpole fossil they named “Ida” to make it seem they are soing something important for all that taxpayers money?


27 posted on 05/21/2009 11:33:18 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Misterioso

That’s what the study found. Evo-atheists are among the most superstitious people in the population:

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=2667


28 posted on 05/21/2009 11:33:43 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Jeff Gordon

You call that science? HAHAHAHA!


29 posted on 05/21/2009 11:35:54 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’m right with you there. If evo were real, what explains WHY it happened? What caused that little one-celled organism to decide that it needed to split, see, hear, taste, feel, breathe, copulate, etc.?


30 posted on 05/21/2009 11:36:06 AM PDT by bonnieblue4me (You can put lipstick on a donkey (or a dimrat), but it is still an ass!)
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To: nuke rocketeer
Why don’t you creationist bozos give your own seriously flawed theory the same critique that most real scientists give their own pet theories.

Right on, NR, and we can use this "Ida" story as a model for our approach.

31 posted on 05/21/2009 11:36:38 AM PDT by Robwin
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To: CottShop

Wow...talk about integrating your superstitions!


32 posted on 05/21/2009 11:48:14 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Evo-atheists are among the most superstitious people in the population:

Only once you define belief in things like a worldwide flood, angels, and such as "not superstitious." The study found that 55 percent of the people surveyed said they had been protected from harm by a guardian angel--not just that they had a guardian angel, but that the angel had actually intervened to help them. Seems to me that the distinction between "religion" and "supersition" can get pretty thin, and it's a bias in the study to put some things on one side and some things on the other.

33 posted on 05/21/2009 11:53:32 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: GodGunsGuts

My main test on the intellectual honesty of the creationistas:

How old is the universe?
How old is the solar system?
How old is the Earth?
Is the speed of light a universal constant?
DO you ‘believe’ in nuclear physics?


34 posted on 05/21/2009 11:59:22 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: Jeff Gordon; GodGunsGuts

Its amazing what the evolutionist will call science. There are no limits to what they will call science as long as it hues to an evolutionist end.


35 posted on 05/21/2009 12:07:54 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: nuke rocketeer

As usual, the darwin-drones are way behind the times.

YEC cosmologists hold that distant galaxies are billions of years old, and our galaxy thousands of years old, and yet both owe their existence to the SAME creation event. If you are bewildered, you might want to read up on gravitational time dilation (and read Dr. Humphreys book “Starlight and Time”).

The Evo-big bangers were the ones who proposed that light speed might be variable to solve their own horizon problem re: CMB. Again, you are way behind the times.


36 posted on 05/21/2009 12:08:46 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

You just confirmed my previous estimate of your intellectual capacity. Pretty close to zero.

Answer the questions I asked you!


37 posted on 05/21/2009 12:12:34 PM PDT by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: nuke rocketeer
Actually, I was just thinking the same thing about you. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Go educate yourself and get back to me when you have at least learned the basics of modern Creation Science. In the meantime, you are free to continue pooring milk over your Darwin idols.


38 posted on 05/21/2009 12:21:14 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I noticed that some of those evolutionists who showed up yesterday to make fun of the first article by ICR kind of quieted down when major news articles came out saying the same thing.


39 posted on 05/21/2009 1:12:09 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: GodGunsGuts
It seems as though the scientific process had been rushed and the claims exaggerated in a bid to promote a new documentary and book on the fossil. Sadly, media pressures sometimes trump full research integrity (something we’ve seen before), and careless media sources reprint explosive (and unjustified) quotations without consulting as many scientists as they should. Thankfully, though, many in the scientific community are questioning the research and beginning to become more vocal about their concerns regarding how good science and media aren’t the best mix.

Yup, and if anyone points it out, they get attacked by the hissy-fit liberals exclaiming any examination, any ciritique is anti-science religious assaults on their cult.

40 posted on 05/21/2009 1:14:27 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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And since I find a lot of the hit-and-run types on these threads don't go to links to read them:
“What Americans Really Believe,” a comprehensive new study released by Baylor University yesterday, shows that traditional Christian religion greatly decreases belief in everything from the efficacy of palm readers to the usefulness of astrology. It also shows that the irreligious and the members of more liberal Protestant denominations, far from being resistant to superstition, tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal and in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians.

The Gallup Organization, under contract to Baylor’s Institute for Studies of Religion, asked American adults a series of questions to gauge credulity. Do dreams foretell the future? Did ancient advanced civilizations such as Atlantis exist? Can places be haunted? Is it possible to communicate with the dead? Will creatures like Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster someday be discovered by science?

The answers were added up to create an index of belief in occult and the paranormal. While 31% of people who never worship expressed strong belief in these things, only 8% of people who attend a house of worship more than once a week did.

I don't suppose they are going to call Baylor University and the Gallop Organization bozos. But I don't want to prejudge.

Logically, this should have made sense even to athiests. People don't believe in Religion simply because they are brainwashed, it seems to be a natural inclination to look for greater purpose and meaning in life, and absent a religious meaning people will look for meaning elsewhere.

In fact, you can see that in the way the evolutionists here defend evolution -- it's not just a dispassionate discussion of facts, it's a jihad borne of emotional outbursts, such as calling people bozos and liars and ridiculing the messengers. It's exactly what we see when people who have personal beliefs feel they are being attacked.

41 posted on 05/21/2009 1:20:32 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: tacticalogic; GodGunsGuts
Looks like the hype about the hype will outlive the hype.

translation: "Can us evos bury this obvious embarassment as soon as possible"?

42 posted on 05/21/2009 1:27:04 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: nuke rocketeer
I have a feeling you already think you know the answer to your questions, so you are not asking because you need knowledge, but because you are attempting to make some debating point rather than discuss the issue of the over-hyping of Ida.

However, here are your answers. "(1) We don't know, (2) We don't know, (3) We don't know, (4) seems to be, although at least a couple of scientists are now questioning that basic notion, (5) nuclear physics is a branch of science, not something you "believe in", so your question was ignorant.

I do this as a public service so that maybe you would get back to the topic of the thread rather than hijacking it for your own purposes.

43 posted on 05/21/2009 1:27:31 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: nuke rocketeer

“Why don’t you creationist bozos give your own seriously flawed theory the same critique that most real scientists give their own pet theories. Bounce it against the data and the facts.”

Bounce this;

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2255759/posts


44 posted on 05/21/2009 1:40:59 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: Jeff Gordon

Hey Jeff, I *want* the evos to keep talking about “Ida” the lemur, or “Grandma”, as I affectionately call her. I wouldn’t want to suppress a word of it! I’m grabbing my popcorn now. Bob


45 posted on 05/21/2009 1:41:11 PM PDT by alstewartfan
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To: jessduntno
“Why don’t you creationist bozos give your own seriously flawed theory the same critique that most real scientists give their own pet theories. Bounce it against the data and the facts.”

This happens most often in physics, chemistry, and the biological sciences, least often in disciplines like evolutionary biology and cosmology. The difference is that in the former the subject matter is more likely than not to bite you in the ass if you're making a mistake; in the latter, it will readily adopt and hold any pose you put it in.
46 posted on 05/21/2009 1:49:41 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

“This happens most often in physics, chemistry, and the biological sciences, least often in disciplines like evolutionary biology and cosmology. The difference is that in the former the subject matter is more likely than not to bite you in the ass if you’re making a mistake; in the latter, it will readily adopt and hold any pose you put it in.”

The former are sciences; the latter are guesswork and theory. Why they are referred to as “disciplines” escapes me, because it appears as though very little discipline is very often shown.


47 posted on 05/21/2009 1:53:54 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: alstewartfan

48 posted on 05/21/2009 1:55:31 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
From the desperation being shown by the Darwin idolaters, it appears that this "fossil find" is a last-ditch effort to prop up their dying religion of evolutionary scientism.

All their other evidence has fallen like a house of cards - then they throw in this "Piltdown lemur" to try start the evo craze anew, and it's totally backfired on them! Obviously, the intense ruckus is afoot because they know, without this fossil, there's nothing else left to prop up their theory, and hence no way to justify their loose morals in their godless fantasy world.

We indeed live in a privileged time, to be witnessing what looks like the final collapse of Darwin's demonic philosophy! When the evo bandwagon is finally capsized, and science can again be pursued according to the will of our Creator, we might finally again see real scientific progress again, as opposed to the secular stagnation of the last century.

49 posted on 05/21/2009 2:01:55 PM PDT by WondrousCreation (Good science regarding the Earth's past only reveals what Christians have known for centuries!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
In the meantime, you are free to continue pooring milk over your Darwin idols.

LOL! I have to admit, I still laugh every time I see that picture of the Darwin statue. It fits the evos so well! If only you could actually find one with milk being poored on it...

50 posted on 05/21/2009 2:04:13 PM PDT by WondrousCreation (Good science regarding the Earth's past only reveals what Christians have known for centuries!)
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