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Liberty University Shuts Down Campus Democratic Party Club
Washington Post ^ | May 22 | Anita Kumar

Posted on 05/22/2009 10:58:35 AM PDT by Hawk720

Liberty University will no longer recognize its campus Democratic Party club because its parent organization stands against the conservative Christian school's moral principles.

The club, which has about 30 members, will no longer be able to use Liberty's name, hold on-campus meetings or be eligible for student activities money.

"I think it does the university a great disservice to stifle one side of the discussion simply because we are Democrats,'' said Maria Childress, the club's adviser and an administrative assistant at the school.

Brian Diaz, president of Liberty's Democratic club said he was informed of the school's decision in a May 15 e-mail.

"The candidates supported are directly contrary to the mission of Liberty University," the e-mail said.

Liberty has had a College Republicans club for several years. The Democratic club formed in October and worked aggressively to elect President Obama.

"They . . . let the Liberty University College Republicans stay on campus but they don't let us,'' said Diaz, 18, who will be a sophomore next year. "Sounds like censorship to me."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: academicbias; christianschools; collegedemocrats; collegerepublicans; colleges; education; highereducation; libertyu; libertyuniversity; sin
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1 posted on 05/22/2009 10:58:35 AM PDT by Hawk720
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To: Hawk720

Good.


3 posted on 05/22/2009 11:01:51 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Hawk720

“”They . . . let the Liberty University College Republicans stay on campus but they don’t let us,’’ said Diaz, 18, who will be a sophomore next year. “Sounds like censorship to me.””

Hey Brian Diaz, sucks don’t it!


4 posted on 05/22/2009 11:02:15 AM PDT by Holicheese (He stopped the War on Terror and started a War on Patriotism!)
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To: Hawk720

And let commence the wailing and gnashing of teeth...


5 posted on 05/22/2009 11:03:30 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Hawk720

Liberty University is a religious institution. They should have a right to ask their students to comport themselves within the religious guidelines, set by the school.

Students are certainly free to object, and find another institution more to their liking.

Why would students pick a school to attend, if they disagreed with it’s philosophy? If I were a Democrat, I would not have applied there and have attended classes there.


6 posted on 05/22/2009 11:04:29 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: Holicheese

It’s nice to see an institution charged with teaching skulls full of mush take a stand against unAmerican groups.


7 posted on 05/22/2009 11:04:51 AM PDT by DonaldC
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To: GUNGAGALUNGA

Good, a CHRISTIAN organization should point out that liberals/democrats

are not doing God’s work, they are doing Satan’s work, and will not be given support and sanction for doing so.

It’s pretty simple to show - just step through the horizontal commandments and compare liberals’ viewpoints on all those laws to God’s viewpoint.


8 posted on 05/22/2009 11:05:55 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Hawk720
Fascinating!

I have a former Sunday School student about to go there-- and she comes from a very Democratic family. And although I love her dearly, she really is really an overly emotional liberal twit on many occasions.

9 posted on 05/22/2009 11:08:33 AM PDT by Lysandru
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To: Hawk720

“I think it does the university a great disservice to stifle one side of the discussion simply because we are Democrats,’’ said Maria Childress...
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No, Maria, the university disbanded it because of the numerous philosophical espousements of the Democratic Party which the university believes are akin to supporting & encouraging sin.

It’s not that you’re a Democrat, it’s that yours is the party dedicated to the Culture of Death instead of the Tree of Life.


10 posted on 05/22/2009 11:11:05 AM PDT by delphirogatio (I am the indication, not the confirmation; I'm the inclination, the determination)
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To: Hawk720

I suspect they wouldn’t have too much patience for a Log Cabin club, or an Ayn Rand Objectivist Society either. For those who need to belong to such groups, there are about 2,000 colleges to choose from.

Oh, and nothng stops them from joining the local Dems or starting their own group without school support or endorsement.


11 posted on 05/22/2009 11:11:33 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (we also have the duty to avoid prostituting our Catholic identity by appeals to phony dialogue)
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To: Hawk720
"I think it does the university a great disservice to stifle one side of the discussion simply because we are Democrats,'' said Maria Childress, the club's adviser and an administrative assistant at the school.

Why would anyone go to Liberty University looking for free "discussion"?

12 posted on 05/22/2009 11:12:15 AM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Hawk720

So these Democrat students are offended by some of the very same practices pushed by Democrat elected officials?

Funny - the irony is so deep...


13 posted on 05/22/2009 11:13:19 AM PDT by Tzimisce (http://groups.myspace.com/nailthemessiah)
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To: Dr. Sivana

It might be interesting list their beliefs and goals and methods to achieve those goals

and attempt to justify them with scripture in a debate format.


14 posted on 05/22/2009 11:15:24 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Dr. Sivana
...or an Ayn Rand Objectivist Society...

Slick move. Pathetic, but slick.

15 posted on 05/22/2009 11:15:33 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Hawk720

This is wrong, but it’s a private university so they can probably get away with this. Still, it is not conducive to free speech I would think.


16 posted on 05/22/2009 11:16:09 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“Why would students pick a school to attend, if they disagreed with it’s philosophy?”

They want to destroy these places and will go to any maens to do so.


17 posted on 05/22/2009 11:16:48 AM PDT by handy old one (It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims. Aristotlme)
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To: Holicheese

“Congress shall make no law...”


18 posted on 05/22/2009 11:17:47 AM PDT by gigster
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To: Hawk720

I wonder if these Dims would be so sanguine about this if the College wanted to open up a gun club...


19 posted on 05/22/2009 11:20:05 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: Hawk720; Norman Bates

At least one private University has the balls to stop the Leftist Hypocracy on campus. Can’t say that about all the other private, religious based universities. ..COUGH....Notre Dame...COUGH..


20 posted on 05/22/2009 11:20:22 AM PDT by PJBankard (Americans love a winner, and will not tolerate a loser. -Gen. George Patton)
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To: domenad

“This is wrong, but it’s a private university so they can probably get away with this. Still, it is not conducive to free speech I would think.”

What’s wrong with this. We have the right to freely associate and if you don’t like what is under one tent, go find one you do like. It’s not important that we lie about what we think just to fit under one big tent, in fact it is very destructive...imho.


21 posted on 05/22/2009 11:21:44 AM PDT by DonaldC
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To: gigster

What does that have to do with this? He didn’t say anything about the First Amendment.


22 posted on 05/22/2009 11:22:23 AM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Hawk720

I’m disappointed to hear that Liberty even allowed a democrat club to begin with.

Why would a private, Bible-based college have to “tolerate” the views of any group that stands against everything the Christian faith holds dear?


23 posted on 05/22/2009 11:23:33 AM PDT by Joann37
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To: domenad

They probably can get away with it, but they’d be better off doing what BYU-Idaho did recently: ban both Campus Republicans and Campus Democrats to avoid the whole thing.

Terry McAuliffe is already involved, and this will likely blow up into some big thing.

And I wouldn’t be surprised to see a bunch of liberal private colleges banning their Campus Republicans in retaliation.


24 posted on 05/22/2009 11:23:43 AM PDT by Hawk720
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To: Joann37

This is kind of like a Christian university banning a club that promotes Satanic values...

wait...

not “kind of like” at all. That’s exactly what this is.


25 posted on 05/22/2009 11:25:31 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Hawk720

Obama and Liberty. Guess they don’t go well together.

The Leader doesn’t need freedom for the serfs.


26 posted on 05/22/2009 11:26:05 AM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: Hawk720

“And I wouldn’t be surprised to see a bunch of liberal private colleges banning their Campus Republicans in retaliation.”

And that’s ok. ‘Bout time we see where people/organizations stand.


27 posted on 05/22/2009 11:26:33 AM PDT by DonaldC
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To: DonaldC

On a college campus, ideas need to be open and exchanged, period. I’ve seen the way speech has been shut down at liberal universities. The only way to preserve free speech is to fight for it regardless of content.


28 posted on 05/22/2009 11:29:42 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Why would someone attend a school of philosophically disagrees with? Because universities are places of education not indoctrination or confirmation. I would happily send my kids to Harvard even though I would be gritting my teeth knowing what they would be exposed to.

No one is claiming that the college does not have the "right" to deny freedom of association to its students, the claim is that it is unwise. If a bunch of religionists want to form an academy for indoctrination of the faith, let it be known as such. If they intend a college, a place for the give-and-take of philosophical exploration, then they are in line with nearly 1000 years of academic freedom. One that the Democrats and the leftists systematically deny on virtually every other American campus. Their academic crimes are no justification for this college to abandon its traditional responsibilities in education. In fact, this school should stand in contrast as a beacon for true academic freedom.

Unless, of course, it wants to change its name from "liberty" to "conformity."


29 posted on 05/22/2009 11:31:01 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: DoughtyOne

20 odd years ago when I attended there, the rules were spelled out in “The Liberty Way” the school handbook.

I will be honest and say, Liberty was not even on my radar when I finished high school, but I wasn’t able to afford my first choice, and was able to pay in full when I got to LU.

I applied the end of July and was on my way to Virginia August 18th, reading the handbook on the flight. Telling my mom “really??? Wow, that’s even stricter than you guys.”

They had a fabulous Poli Sci program. I didn’t stay the full four years, but I’m so glad I went the two years I did.

All that to say, LU is absolutely within it’s rights to not have the democrats represented on campus. They aren’t saying the students can’t participate, just not on campus.


30 posted on 05/22/2009 11:33:03 AM PDT by porter_knorr
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To: Hawk720

Maybe they should find a school more inline with their thinking. Like Berkeley,,,,,,,,,,or Notre Dame.


31 posted on 05/22/2009 11:35:38 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (The great object is that every man be armed. - Patrick Henry)
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To: Hawk720

Civil discourse and the free exchange of ideas has been throttled by the left, through campaigns of hate and intimidation. A like-kind response is not only reasonable but necessary. Only idiots and hypocrites talk about censorship as if it hasn’t become commonplace and openly practiced.


32 posted on 05/22/2009 11:35:43 AM PDT by Spok
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To: Hawk720
Aww shucks......They coulda been a strong voice to fiercely condemn the moral vacuousness of elected Democrats.
33 posted on 05/22/2009 11:36:58 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (The stupidity of the American people never ceases to amaze me)
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To: domenad

“On a college campus, ideas need to be open and exchanged, period.”

I’m not so sure that is not one of the primary problems with modern education, but that is probably a discussion for another thread. :)


34 posted on 05/22/2009 11:37:02 AM PDT by DonaldC
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To: handy old one

I agree. That’s the real kicker here. You won’t see the major papers addressing that either.


35 posted on 05/22/2009 11:41:25 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: DonaldC

Ah don’t hold back. I for one would like to hear your ideas on the subject.


36 posted on 05/22/2009 11:42:51 AM PDT by Melas
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To: Hawk720

“And I wouldn’t be surprised to see a bunch of liberal private colleges banning their Campus Republicans in retaliation.”

I don’t see that happening. Most(not all) private colleges are Conservative in nature and religious based. The few that aren’t won’t remove those clubs for fear of losing a large amount in donations. Even with just the Obama Speach, Notre Dame has lost millions of dollars from donors who are displeased with what the college has done. I seriously doubt the private “liberal” univerisities who draw in the big donations will risk that loss. And those that aren’t private(state ran) will never remove those programs. This is sorta of a win win situation for the Conservative Base in Universities/Colleges.


37 posted on 05/22/2009 11:44:10 AM PDT by PJBankard (Americans love a winner, and will not tolerate a loser. -Gen. George Patton)
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To: Arguendo

The reason I think it is pertinent is that this kid thinks they are being “censored”.
They think they can say, or take any action they want- even to the detriment of their host- and not suffer any consequenses.
I think the fact that their goals, as Democrats, are inimical to the goals of Liberty U.
When I wrote “Congress shall make no law...”, I meant that Liberty U. is a private organization and can make rules as it suits them.
To stretch my point, it is for the same reason that we don’t want “Gitmo-guests” freed on U.S. soil.


38 posted on 05/22/2009 11:47:32 AM PDT by gigster
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To: Hawk720

To be consistent, they should look deeply into the beliefs and policies of many of the Republican candidates as well. The disconnect with their stated principles is rampant in the GOP as well.


39 posted on 05/22/2009 11:50:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Independent Party - 'The principled always win in the long haul' - www.AIPNEWS.com)
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To: PJBankard

You have to suspect that 0bama people assured ND that they’d make up for the lost donations...


40 posted on 05/22/2009 11:51:14 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Hawk720

Does the University literature state that descent will not be allowed on campus?

What can Libert University be so afraid of? A true conservative college would not be afraid of the debate.


41 posted on 05/22/2009 11:52:02 AM PDT by awake-n-angry
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To: MrB

Well if so that money can’t be coming from the Government. They will never allow it Sep. of C. and S., so unless Obama can have one of his non-government affiliated agencies donate that money, ND is SOL.


42 posted on 05/22/2009 11:57:19 AM PDT by PJBankard (Americans love a winner, and will not tolerate a loser. -Gen. George Patton)
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To: MrB

Perhaps the College Republicans at ND and Liberty could have worked a little harder so that McCain-Palin would have won Indiana and Virginia.


44 posted on 05/22/2009 11:58:48 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Hawk720

So all they have to do is go to the pugies meetings and learn!


45 posted on 05/22/2009 11:59:19 AM PDT by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: PJBankard

Oh, you know these crooked bastards will find ways around the law,

heck, it’s a known fact that Obama colluded with ACORN illegally in the election.


46 posted on 05/22/2009 12:01:01 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: gigster
The reason I think it is pertinent is that this kid thinks they are being “censored”.

They are being censored. Not by the government, and it's not illegal censorship, but just the same it is censorship. Of course, they chose to go to Liberty, so they shouldn't be surprised that a lot of stuff will be censored.

47 posted on 05/22/2009 12:01:17 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: nathanbedford

It would seem to me that allowing a club on campus, is somewhat of an endorsement of the club’s values or goals.

“You presented an outline of your goals. We reviewed them and found them to be in line with our goals. We give you permission to organize on campus.”

I don’t think the school is saying they don’t want Democrats to attend. I believe they are saying that Democrats can’t organize there in an official manner.

The Democrat party wants to advocate for the right of women to terminate their fetuses up until the child is full term. How can a religious institution that supports right to life sign on to that kind of advocacy on their campus?

The students are able to vote as they like. They are able to associate with other Democrats on campus and discuss political issues. They just aren’t able to form a club and recruit people under that umbrella, or organize efforts to advocate for some of the sordid things Democrats support.

I don’t believe the students are prevented from leaving campus to support Democrats or join Democrat organizations.

BTW, universities are places of eduction, but that doesn’t mean that everything known to man should be taught on them. Can’t you think of a single thing you wouldn’t want taught on a university campus, other than the policy of closing down clubs? I’ll bet you can if you think about it.

IMO, the university education angle is used to pry open the door to all manner of sordid nonsense these days. I’m not convinced those sorts of things must be on campus or our youth will suffer a stunted growth.


48 posted on 05/22/2009 12:01:23 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I wonder if their decision was influenced by the notra dame scandal..

Cool~


49 posted on 05/22/2009 12:02:22 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: porter_knorr

Some of the LU rules are rather loopy. We lost several members of our online gaming ministry when they went to LU. Violent computer games like Call of Duty were verboten.


50 posted on 05/22/2009 12:03:54 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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