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Liberty University says campus Democratic Club unChristian
http://www.examiner.com ^ | May 23, 11:58 | www.examiner.com

Posted on 05/23/2009 2:04:28 PM PDT by Maelstorm

"What would Jesus do?" is a question many Christians ask themselves when buying a car, choosing a charity to support or invading another country. When it comes to campus poliical clubs, Liberty University in Lynchburg Virginia, thinks Jesus would limit certain First Amendment rights like freedom of speech and the right of assembly... at least as far as Democrats are concerned. In an email dated May 15, Mark Hine, the university's Vice President for Student Affairs, revoked recognition of the campus Democrats Club. In part, the email reads...

"I must inform you that the College democrats club is no longer going to be recognized as a Liberty University club. We are unable to lend support to a club whose parent organization stands against the principles held by Liberty University...

Even though this club may not support the more radical planks of the democratic party, the democratic party is still the parent organization of the club on campus. The Democratic Party Platform is contrary to the mission of LU and to Christian doctrine (supports abortion, federal funding of abortion, advocates repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, promotes the 'LGBT' agenda, Hate Crimes, which include sexual orientation and gender identity, socialism, etc). The candidates this club supports uphold the Platform and implement it."

The Campus Democrats Club, which formed in October and campaigned for Barack Obama, will no longer be able to meet on campus or use Liberty University's name, seal, logo or marks on any publication or online website. Violators may be subject to expulsion. This, the email informs us, is required as a result of a newly-adopted policy for student clubs and organizations. Other clubs, such as LU's long-standing campus Republican club, have not been affected though.

An attempt by this writer to access the Liberty Way Code of Conduct on LU's website, was found to be blocked for anyone not associated with the university. This was the only part of their website this writer found to be blocked against visitors. This, of course, does not imply censorship on their part. That Liberty University's News and Events page makes no mention of the Democrat Club's expulsion from campus despite the fact that it's headline news all over the rest of the country does not imply censorship either, does it?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: christianschools; collegedemocrats; gaystapo; highereducation; liberty; libertyu
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That is the wonderful thing about Private Universities. Liberty is right on this.
1 posted on 05/23/2009 2:04:28 PM PDT by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

What is it about PRIVATE do they not understand. Isn’t there an ounce
of freedom left?


2 posted on 05/23/2009 2:07:13 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (The plan... 0 in power for life. At least that's what they told him.)
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To: Maelstorm

Liberals have no problems kicking Christians and conservatives to the curb but just try the reverse and see who screams loudest.


3 posted on 05/23/2009 2:07:31 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: Maelstorm

Problem is that it’s illegal. Liberty U has already backed off and is allowing the club to meet on campus.


4 posted on 05/23/2009 2:10:25 PM PDT by Melas
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To: OrangeHoof

we need to learn to scream louder. a little screaming from a lot of us would be Earth-shaking.


5 posted on 05/23/2009 2:10:49 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

They can not stand only having control of 90+% of higher education institutions.


6 posted on 05/23/2009 2:11:38 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Those that have nothing to hide welcome debate.)
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To: Melas

How is it illegal?


7 posted on 05/23/2009 2:13:38 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Those that have nothing to hide welcome debate.)
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To: Melas

How is it illegal? Was Notre Dame arresting pro-life protestors illegal?


8 posted on 05/23/2009 2:16:56 PM PDT by Jackson57
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To: Melas

What is the law on these matters anyway? If a private university doesn’t take federal funds, are they exempt from certain laws?

Does Liberty take federal money? Is it considered federal money if students there have loans?


9 posted on 05/23/2009 2:17:11 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Maelstorm
Christians who are Democrats should be expected to explain on what basis they can support a party whose agenda is "abortion, federal funding of abortion, ... repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, ... the 'LGBT' agenda, Hate Crimes, which include sexual orientation and gender identity" and still call themselves Christians.
10 posted on 05/23/2009 2:17:16 PM PDT by marron
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To: Maelstorm

It’s illegal because they allow the GOP group to meet on campus, and not the Democrats group. Such behavior constitutes undue influence, bordering on coercion on these young voters. That’s how it was explained to me by a couple of friends in the legal profession. Within hours of our conversation, the following was posted on FR:

Today, University President Jerry Falwell dialed back on some aspects of the ban. He said the group would be allowed to hold meetings on campus, but the club and its activities won’t be formally recognized. ‘There is absolutely no animosity at all toward any of these kids,’ Falwell said. ‘They are good, Christian kids who sit with me at ball games. I just hope they find a pro-life family organization to affiliate with so they can be endorsed by Liberty again.

Obviously on the advice of Liberty U’s legal staff. Anyone who thinks that Liberty U just decided to play nice with the Democrat students for the sake of being nice is starkers.


11 posted on 05/23/2009 2:20:36 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Maelstorm
That is the wonderful thing about Private Universities. Liberty is right on this.

And it is a very sad thing that the democratic party has become an advocate for satan - supporting abortion on demand, pushing race and class hatred and divisions, supporting homosexuality, pornography (when all the pornographers band together to support your Party -- you have to wonder if you are walking in the right direction), Gaia idolatry, embryonic stem cell research (regardless of the fact that only adult stem cell work has been shown to be effective) and denigrating reverence for the God of the Bible (aka, The True God).
Here's praying and hoping that the RINOs don't push the republican party to emulate these attributes of the democrats - in order to win brownie points with the media (Psalms 118:8-9 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.).

12 posted on 05/23/2009 2:20:56 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Maelstorm

I attended a Christian college 1969-73. It did not accept federal dollars so that it would not have to answer to the feds. When the government saw they lost control of schools like this they broaden the definition of accepting federal dollars to include the students accepting student government loans. They now had control. Liberty and schools like them have lost their freedom to enforce standards that would reflect the identity of the school. Catholic hospitals, because of federal dollars, will have to perform abortions. It all about a creeping federal control of our lives which under Obama is becoming a rampaging federal control.


13 posted on 05/23/2009 2:22:18 PM PDT by gscc
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To: Maelstorm

About time the Dems foundd out how it feels. Christian and Republican clubs get this all the time at 99.9% of this nation’s universities.


14 posted on 05/23/2009 2:25:35 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Maelstorm
Liberty University in Lynchburg Virginia, thinks Jesus would limit certain First Amendment rights like freedom of speech and the right of assembly

False. The school is just not going to support them. I'm sure these same people can still meet out on the lawn and say whatever they want. They just can't say they are an officially recognized club at the school.

15 posted on 05/23/2009 2:25:51 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: gscc

I’m not sure that money is at the source of this. Your employer for example would be required to allow a group of Republican employees to hold meetings if the same employer allowed a Democrat group to meet. To do otherwise would legally be creating a hostile environment to the Republican employees, if not charges of outright coercion. Of course the easiest solution would be to simply not provide space or support for any political group.


16 posted on 05/23/2009 2:27:04 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas

“I’m not sure that money is at the source of this.”

Believe me the money is the source of the power grab and control. It extends to all venues in life. Liberty is a private institution, with a mission to develop young Christian students in leadership in all avenues of life. It should be able to maintain standards that reflects that mission.


17 posted on 05/23/2009 2:32:01 PM PDT by gscc
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To: Jackson57

That would depend on what statute the protesters were arrested under and if would have applied to protesters of another ilk. If they were arrested under trespassing statutes, then it’s safe to say that it was not illegal. I can protest you if I want to, but you’re under no obligation to allow me access to your property to do so.


18 posted on 05/23/2009 2:32:59 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas
Your employer for example would be required to allow a group of Republican employees to hold meetings if the same employer allowed a Democrat group to meet. To do otherwise would legally be creating a hostile environment to the Republican employees, if not charges of outright coercion.

You might be right, but are you basing this on any actual law, or on your sense of what the law "probably" is?

19 posted on 05/23/2009 2:35:10 PM PDT by xjcsa (Currently shouting "I told you so" about Michael Steele on my profile page.)
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To: Melas

Jerry Falwell is dead.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/15/jerry.falwell/index.html

Try again.

Liberty is a private institution.


20 posted on 05/23/2009 2:35:42 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Those that have nothing to hide welcome debate.)
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To: Maelstorm

Jerry Lamon Falwell, Jr (born June 17, 1962) is the chancellor of Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, appointed in May 2007 shortly after his father’s death in 2007.


21 posted on 05/23/2009 2:38:03 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: gscc

I see your point. However I can’t really get behind Liberty U on this one. From what I’ve seen of the world, I’ve come to believe the worst possible form of government is now and always has been a one party system. As a result, I can’t in good conscience support anything that seeks to infringe upon the equal access of multiple parties to individual voters. Not even it benefits my party, and promotes my beliefs because I know that if it continues it will eventually abandon those beliefs.


22 posted on 05/23/2009 2:39:55 PM PDT by Melas
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To: xjcsa

The truth? I brought the issue up with a couple of friends who happen to be lawyers during a bicycle ride yesterday. What I’ve been posting is the result of that 40 mile conversation. However, Liberty U’s backing off leads me to strongly believe that everything my friends told me was indeed 100% correct.


23 posted on 05/23/2009 2:43:48 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas
As a result, I can’t in good conscience support anything that seeks to infringe upon the equal access of multiple parties to individual voters.

I agree. But Liberty's action does no such thing.

24 posted on 05/23/2009 2:44:05 PM PDT by xjcsa (Currently shouting "I told you so" about Michael Steele on my profile page.)
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To: buccaneer81

That is better:

Here is the link:

http://www.theseminal.com/2009/05/23/being-christian-means-you-cant-be-a-democrat/


25 posted on 05/23/2009 2:44:28 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Those that have nothing to hide welcome debate.)
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To: Melas

“As a result, I can’t in good conscience support anything that seeks to infringe upon the equal access of multiple parties to individual voters.”

One more time - this is a private entity that has religious liberty, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly etc. They are not abridging the rights of any of these students by not endorsing a group that is antithetical to the schools mission.


26 posted on 05/23/2009 2:44:29 PM PDT by gscc
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To: Melas

I agree with that. I prefer employers to stay out of politics.


27 posted on 05/23/2009 2:45:24 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Those that have nothing to hide welcome debate.)
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To: Melas

Liberty probably just wanted to stem the fire. They could have fought it. Thanks for the news on what Falwell Jr. said.

http://www.theseminal.com/2009/05/23/being-christian-means-you-cant-be-a-democrat/


28 posted on 05/23/2009 2:46:48 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Those that have nothing to hide welcome debate.)
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To: Maelstorm

Fail. Jerry Falwell is the current Chancellor of Liberty University. He happens to be the son of the late Jerry Falwell. So you try again.


29 posted on 05/23/2009 2:48:57 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas

This isn’t about the Democrat Party per se of the GOP it is about the activities of the said group which violates the by laws of the University. A conservative Democrat group would indeed be acceptable where as a log cabin Republican group would not. It is not so hard to understand and I agree with you stand on a one party system. I’m not happy with either one of them in total though the Democrat party is lost to me.


30 posted on 05/23/2009 2:50:52 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Those that have nothing to hide welcome debate.)
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To: Melas

Touché :-)


31 posted on 05/23/2009 2:52:03 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Those that have nothing to hide welcome debate.)
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To: gscc

I’ll make myself clear. I want young people to come to the Republican Party, my party, because they have decided that the Republican Party best represents them in American government after exposure to both parties. That is to say that I want them to reject the Democrat Party on their own. I do not want them to come to the Republican Party because it was given a leg up in a controlled environment during a critical stage of their development.

I think this weakens the GOP on Liberty U’s campus. It makes it appear as though the GOP can’t triumph if the Democrats have equal access, and I don’t believe that for a minute.


32 posted on 05/23/2009 2:59:26 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas
The truth? I brought the issue up with a couple of friends who happen to be lawyers during a bicycle ride yesterday. What I’ve been posting is the result of that 40 mile conversation. However, Liberty U’s backing off leads me to strongly believe that everything my friends told me was indeed 100% correct.

Makes sense. I wasn't arguing, excatly, but it's awfully easy for these kinds of conversations to end up being based on preconceptions of the law that aren't always correct.

Jerry Sr. (Liberty president) is a lawyer himself, so I'd expect him to have a pretty decent grasp of things.

Full disclosure, I'm a Liberty grad myself.

33 posted on 05/23/2009 3:01:39 PM PDT by xjcsa (Currently shouting "I told you so" about Michael Steele on my profile page.)
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To: Melas

“I’ll make myself clear. I want....”

It is not about what you want. Liberty University is a private school that has a stated mission and they should be able to do whatever they please!!!! That they have backpedaled is because the federal government holds the purse string and therefor has them where it hurts.


34 posted on 05/23/2009 3:12:21 PM PDT by gscc
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To: Maelstorm

Do they have a Republican club on campus?


35 posted on 05/23/2009 3:13:27 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one Bae Yong Joon drama at a time!)
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To: Melas
Liberty University is NOT a government. It's a school.

The Supreme Court once made a mistake when it conjured up a vision of school teachers being jack booted thugs ladeling out government policy to first graders.

BTW, not only is Liberty U not a government, it's a private institution.

Seems to me that limiting the evil influence of Democrats on campus would be an acceptable, even desirable activity.

36 posted on 05/23/2009 3:16:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Maelstorm

Braver than Notre Dame.


37 posted on 05/23/2009 3:36:21 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Obama's not the anti-Christ, but is making the way for him as John the Baptist did for Jesus.)
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To: gscc

We disagree, and I find it unlikely at this point that either one of us will sway the other, so perhaps it’s just time to leave it at that.


38 posted on 05/23/2009 3:46:20 PM PDT by Melas
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To: muawiyah
Liberty University is NOT a government. It's a school.

I wasn't aware that anyone, at any time during this dialogue had claimed otherwise.

The Supreme Court once made a mistake when it conjured up a vision of school teachers being jack booted thugs ladeling out government policy to first graders.

The Supreme Court may or may not have made a mistake. However, I don't recognize your authority to make such a declaration either way. Perhaps the justices should consult with you before making any further decisions?

BTW, not only is Liberty U not a government, it's a private institution.

Again, did anyone state otherwise or are you merely trying to falsely attribute the statement to me or someone else?

Seems to me that limiting the evil influence of Democrats on campus would be an acceptable, even desirable activity.

Your first honest statement. I agree with you 100% that it seems to you that it is a desirable course of action.

39 posted on 05/23/2009 3:52:43 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Tamar1973

Yes they do, hence the nature of the problem.


40 posted on 05/23/2009 3:53:12 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Maelstorm

Liberals are only concerned with first amendment rights when it affects their own grand plans.


41 posted on 05/23/2009 3:54:00 PM PDT by SaveTheChief (Obama lied, America died.)
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To: SaveTheChief

No yelling and screaming by liberals when Christian clubs are banned in public schools, Conservative clubs harassed on public universities - they have full control in these venues. The need for these liberals is to control what goes on in private institutions.


42 posted on 05/23/2009 3:59:13 PM PDT by gscc
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To: Maelstorm

Jesus would limit certain First Amendment rights like freedom of speech and the right of assembly- Wrong; who is this schmuch author. Liberty University did NOT violate their 1st Amendment rights (they still have them), they just may not use the University name, nor facilities to conduct their activities (which a private university has every right to do), if the students don’t like it: Go off campus (rename their group), or leave the University, otherwise since this isn’t a STATE RUN U. but instead a Private Christian University; they can do what they want..!


43 posted on 05/23/2009 5:34:16 PM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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To: Melas

Have you ever been to Liberty University, attended classed there?? Becuase I have, and I can tell you for fact that LU would not discriminate against students themselves, but they DO intend on uphold their Christian faith, including where they intersects with the Political Realm.


44 posted on 05/23/2009 5:39:46 PM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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To: xjcsa

me too!


45 posted on 05/23/2009 5:42:25 PM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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To: Melas

Right..and untill you get government to enforce ALL the state institutions which discriminate agaist conservative students groups’ on college’s this is a non issue!..


46 posted on 05/23/2009 5:44:44 PM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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To: Maelstorm

The Democrat Party stands firmly in opposition to all conservative, traditional values. It is appropriate for Liberty University to deny such political poison any place on campus. The Democrats at the school can still support their vile candidates, just not on school property using the school’s time and dime.


47 posted on 05/23/2009 5:49:18 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Maelstorm

Or all media.

That’s typical of places like.... well you know.


48 posted on 05/23/2009 5:52:39 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (The plan... 0 in power for life. At least that's what they told him.)
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To: gscc

BINGO!


49 posted on 05/23/2009 5:56:37 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (The plan... 0 in power for life. At least that's what they told him.)
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To: JSDude1

Exactly. The left has been using this phony free speech complaint to muscle into places they don’t already control. Look at the way they intimidate businesses like E-Harmony which they sued to force it to offer a homosexual dating service. We can not share common ground with a left that will not accept or respect the boundaries of others consent and decisions.


50 posted on 05/23/2009 6:53:35 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Those that have nothing to hide welcome debate.)
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