(U.S. Supreme Court) Justices to decide if vets can be honored with cross

BTW, you are posting this misdirection to one who has read the entirety of Farrand's Records and posted scholarly articles on the drafting of the Constitution here on FR on more than one occasion. The drafting of the Declaration had virtually nothing to do with the construction of our system of limited government in the Federal Convention.

The point remains that the educated class in the colonies in those days were steeped in both the Old and New Testaments.

Your point had nothing whatever to do with the purpose of my original post. The poster of the article had said that the our system of government has Christian origins, only thereafter saying that Christianity had Jewish origins. This is to misunderstand the Enlightenment entirely (to which I commend you to the writings of Peter Gay; you will note that his second volume on the topic is subtitled "The Rise of Modern PAGANISM" not "Christianity"). The attribution of American limited government to Christianity alone, besides being completely inaccurate, is also to understate the Jewish invention at at time where there had NEVER been a precedent. By the time the Constitution was drafted, the founders were working off several models, from Greece, to Rome, to Switzerland, and the Iraquois. Worse, the seeds of tyranny were set in our latter document from the day it was drafted. In terms of limited government, ours is but a shell of the Jewish original; there is no comparison.

Sadly, how that original system in the Torah was to have worked has gone misunderstood for over three thousand years; it has never been performed as originally intended. I am just completing a book on the topic as we write.

Is it a huge stretch for those of non-Christian faiths or of no faith at all to see the cross as symbolic of sacrifice for others, based on what anyone can read about the crucifixion of Jesus?

Not for me. As a Jew, I love my faith, and see it as a historical precursor to Christianity. Christianity led the West into historical and economic dominance. I also recognize that America was founded as a Christian nation, and that has guided her way for 200 years (until the 1960s). I love my Christian brothers and sisters and rejoice in their faith. I am also an activist in keeping gay indoctrination out of our schools, and work on the school board level nationwide. I always find that Christian and not Jews are my best allies in this. i also find that Christians are better friends to Israel than many Jews, which disgusts me.

How can any Jew (or Hindu, Muslim, etc, as the absurd ACLU brief declares) be "offended" by a cross representing the vast majority of those men who have given their lives for their nation? Are we then to go to Normandy and remove all the crosses there as well? It is ridiculous, and un-American.

Frankly, I’m offended by ACLU and all those idiots who’re offended by anything they don’t like. And I’m especially offended by all those people who wear the broken cross symbol on apparel. The left has morphed it into a peace symbol, but in the sixties when it first appeared it was an anti-Christian symbol.

I think it still is to the left, but they disguise their symbols, what they call themselves and their true objectives so as to deceive brain dead Americans.

Interesting, I've never seen most of those.

Curious, that Atheists would pick a triad of suppositories to represent their cult, but who am I to guess why.

I don't remember seeing a house of worship with that symbol anywhere though.

I suppose it would be difficult to erect a building that inspires one to pray to a void.

There is no Constitutional right not to be offended.

While you are correct of course...that goes without saying! However, for the record, ALL liberals FEEL they have the Constitutional Right to not be offended (as well as at the same time to be offensive). It's genetic dontcha know! They were born with the 'offended' gene. Explains the Jewish persecution complex, gay marriage, or name your other offended/offensive whine of choice. Whereas, most conservatives don't even have the 'offended' gene, so it's difficult to empathize with a liberal most of the time! Unless there's beer involved, I usually just walk away.

The suit worked its way through the system and, in 2004, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the memorial violated the First Amendment clause forbidding an establishment of religion and ordered its removal.

How the hell does the erection of a cross in some desert establish a religion?

And furthermore if a state did somehow establish a religion, doesn't the first amendment clearly state: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...." .

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