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To: GeronL
"...the EU seems to matter very little in the global scheme of things."

True. Though, for 1,800 out of 2100 years, Europe and the U.K. were the major militaries and world-shaping forces. It can change pretty quickly nowadays, with our ever-more-intertwined economies, and everything happening globally at the speed of "bytes."

The Antichrist could easily come from Eastern Europe. Or Africa.

;-/

16 posted on 05/25/2009 9:45:29 PM PDT by Gargantua ("If not us, when? If not now, ...where....?")
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To: Gargantua

I don’t think the EuroSplat is ever going to go back to being important in our lifetimes.


18 posted on 05/25/2009 9:47:19 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com for the love of something)
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To: Gargantua
True. Though, for 1,800 out of 2100 years, Europe and the U.K. were the major militaries and world-shaping forces. It can change pretty quickly nowadays, with our ever-more-intertwined economies, and everything happening globally at the speed of "bytes."

Quite wrong

If you say 2100 years, you mean from 100 BC. From 100 BC to 300 AD, the main power centres were Rome (Europe), Susa (Iran, the Parthian Empire), Magadha (Gupta / Nanda / Mauryan Empires), the Chola Empire in South india, the Armenian Empire in Asia, the Ethiopian/Axumite Empire in Ethiopia and Yemen, the Gok-turk, Hun and other Turkic empires in Central Asia and the HAN in China.

Then, from 300 AD to 700 AD, the power centres were Byzantium (Asia/Europe), Rome (decaying rapidly), Susa, Axumite Empire, north-indian Empire, Cholas and the Srivijaya Empire (Southern India stretching across the Indonesia archepalago), Champa, Mon in S-E Asia, Song Empire in China, Japan rising and the Central Asian confederations

From 700 AD to 1000 AD those powers also had the Islamic empire first centred in Mecca, then in Baghdad and Cairo.

From 1000 AD you had the rise of the Turkic peoples from the Seljuk to the Ottoman and the rise of the Mongols (and their descendents, the Mughals).

In contrast, Europe was NOT the world-shaping force until the age of discovery and it really took off after the Ottomans were defeated in the 1600s and when the Mughals collapsed around the same time.
44 posted on 05/26/2009 4:42:08 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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