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Michigan v. Jackson overruled!
Supreme Court of the United Stats ^ | 05-26-2009 | Antonin Scalia

Posted on 05/26/2009 9:15:52 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998

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The good guys win one.
1 posted on 05/26/2009 9:15:52 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

Does this mean that the police can continue interrogation after you request legal councel?


2 posted on 05/26/2009 9:23:31 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: freedomwarrior998
STEVENS, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which SOUTER and GINSBURG, JJ., joined, and in which BREYER, J., joined, except for n. 5. BREYER, J., filed a dissenting opinion.

Why is it that those four seem to always be wrong about everything?

3 posted on 05/26/2009 9:24:17 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: freedomwarrior998

I’m not positive that I’d call this a good one. I’m typically not in favor of expanding police powers at the expense of individual liberty, and this, at first glance, appears to do so.


4 posted on 05/26/2009 9:24:19 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: freedomwarrior998

Correct!!!!


5 posted on 05/26/2009 9:26:08 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Publius Valerius
No that is what the state court did, their decision was overruled. The man should have been allowed to meet with his attorney before further contact by the police after the court hearing.
6 posted on 05/26/2009 9:28:36 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat
The man should have been allowed to meet with his attorney before further contact by the police after the court hearing.

Was he prevented from doing so or did he just not meet with his attorney? It doesn't state what happened in the summary.

7 posted on 05/26/2009 9:31:11 AM PDT by frogjerk (C-NJ)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
No, as it states in the syllabus,
Under Edwards, once such a defendant “has invoked his [Miranda] right,” interrogation must stop. 451 U. S., at 484<\blockquote>.

8 posted on 05/26/2009 9:33:08 AM PDT by mak5
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To: org.whodat

I’m OK with the State court’s holding. He didn’t ask for a lawyer, so he doesn’t get the protection.

I’m not cool, however, with overruling a rule that prohibits interrogation after a suspect has requested a lawyer. I’ll withhold final judgment until I read Edwards.


9 posted on 05/26/2009 9:33:14 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Owl_Eagle

And how would the new appointment fall??????


10 posted on 05/26/2009 9:33:40 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Does this mean that the police can continue interrogation after you request legal councel?

No. In this case, the defendant never requested counsel. He was appointed a public defender automatically. When informed of his Miranda rights, he still opted to cooperate in the search for the weapon and wrote the letter.

11 posted on 05/26/2009 9:34:21 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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Was he prevented from doing so or did he just not meet with his attorney?

That was the argument made by the state, the ruling was that made no difference!!

12 posted on 05/26/2009 9:36:19 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Publius Valerius

How is this a federal issue anyway? The original law was federal, so it’s been overturned at the federal level. OK.

But that shouldn’t and doesn’t imply that this issue has been fixed at the federal level. They overturned their own law. Nothing’s stopping each state from having a law that has this same effect.

Should never have been a federal issue, quite possibly, and that seems to be the basis on which they overturned it: “some states do this, some states do that”.


13 posted on 05/26/2009 9:37:47 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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And how would the new appointment fall??????

As if there is any doubt. The new appointee is probably further to the left than Ginsburg.

14 posted on 05/26/2009 9:38:08 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Publius Valerius

Looks OK to me. I don’t think this expands police power. It appears to just throw out one of three precedents that made the matter more confusing than workable. Under other precedents they still have to stop an interrogation once counsel is requested. Looks like now, they could still use a freely given and uncoerced confession that was not a product of interrogation.

I think.


15 posted on 05/26/2009 9:39:02 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Publius Valerius
He didn’t ask for a lawyer, so he doesn’t get the protection.

The reversal states that the police knew he had been appointed an attorney and for them to question further without attorney permission was a violation. It did not make any difference if he requested one are not. The police knew they were breaking the law.

16 posted on 05/26/2009 9:40:07 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Ramius

I haven’t read over the whole thing, but I think that Stevens’s dissent raises some fair points, although I’m not sure that I would agree with Stevens’s contention that the Jackson rule should be automatically triggered once a suspect is arraigned.

On the other hand, Stevens rightly points out that once a suspect has been arraigned—and becomes a defendant—the stakes have been raised and the importance of counsel is paramount, and perhaps too important to be left to the decision of a confused, stressed, and, perhaps, stupid defendant.


17 posted on 05/26/2009 9:42:13 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: frogjerk; All

The article clearly states he had not taken the opportunity to request counsel...that’s why this matter was overruled.


18 posted on 05/26/2009 9:43:23 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: freedomwarrior998

Rush just announced the Sumpreme Court just reversed all four opinions before them of Judge Sotomayor.


19 posted on 05/26/2009 9:43:24 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: org.whodat
The police knew they were breaking the law.

Not under today's decision, I don't believe that they were. After all, what now seems to be clear is that if you don't ask for a lawyer, the police can interrogate you, regardless of whether you have an attorney.

20 posted on 05/26/2009 9:45:00 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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