Skip to comments.Don't fall for the panoply of lies about homosexuality
Posted on 05/26/2009 9:48:50 AM PDT by DesertRenegade
Does it take a published scientific paper to prove that those who practice homosexual behavior can change? For those who doubt that change can or even should be a goal, but are still open-minded enough to consider the possibility that homosexuals can indeed come out from a lifestyle of habitual self-destructive obsessive-compulsive behavior, please consider the following information.
The 65 or so TV characters, who portray friendly, sympathetic, clean-cut, and sanitized homosexuals, work hard to persuade us that accepting homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle is necessary to our well-being as a civil society. However, without knowing the truth about homosexuality, we end up going along with the noisiest voices who have worked tirelessly to keep us in the dark about the problems inherent in this lifestyle.
In the book, "After the Ball," published in 1989, authors Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen offer a plan to change America's thinking about homosexuality. They describe in detail the sophisticated, psychological conditioning techniques of desensitization, "jamming," and finally, conversion (pp. 148- 154).
The authors describe conversion "of the average American's emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media" (p.153).
Their "conversion" is actually subversion, which they admit. In other words, the American public has been purposely deceived about the truth of homosexuality in order to convert our thinking from truth to acceptance of a panoply of lies. The goal of applying these techniques is to deceive the general public about the truths of homosexuality. The authors admit on p.154 that "it makes no difference that the ads are lies..." They also admit that "our effect is achieved without reference to facts, logic, or proof" (p. 153).
This very successful strategy of conditioning has been employed for 20 years by a few homosexual militants and is one major reason why learning the truth about homosexuality today can be so difficult. The National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, NARTH, has also acknowledged the difficulty in disseminating the truth about the homosexual lifestyle. In their online article entitled "Efforts to Silence NARTH Continue," Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D., writes "in this age of 'openness and tolerance,' NARTH still finds it remarkably difficult to reach members of the healing professions with information and inquiries."
With a little effort, the non-politicized truth about the consequences of homosexual behavior can still be found. For starters, read Getting It Straight: What the Research Shows About Homosexuality, published by the Family Research Council in 2004. This book answers questions about homosexuality that are often suppressed or ignored, giving the specific research articles that support the conclusions.
Keep reading in the Journal of the American Medical Association, the Oxford University's International Journal of Epidemiology, and even the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association, to learn that homosexuals as a group have much higher rates of HIV-AIDS, cancer, and hepatitis than the general population. In fact, did you know that AIDS was first called GRID, Gay-Related Immune Disorder? Did you know that homosexuals as a group have a shorter lifetime expectancy than the general population by 8 to 20 years?
Note that these health problems result from homosexual behavior itself and not just a perceived lack of social acceptance. If we included psychological problems, the list of harmful consequences of homosexual activity would be even longer. If you'd like to listen to some true-life, first-hand stories, check out the DVD "It's Not Gay."
For those who still doubt that change is possible for people who have either given into or been dragged into homosexuality, watch "Speechless" and listen to the sadness-turned-to-joy story of Christine. Be convinced that homosexuality is most assuredly not an immutable, genetic characteristic.
And finally, how about attending the one-day "Love Won Out" conference just up the road in Grand Rapids on June 13, sponsored by Focus on the Family? (You can register at LoveWonOut.com or call 1-800-232-6459.) Come and hear the evidence as well as the personal stories of Jeff and Alan, speakers for Love Won Out.
Can homosexual behavior and even sexual orientation be changed? Go ask Alan or Jeff or Christine. Can those of us who have been fed propaganda for the last 20 years even consider this possibility? Yes, we can. We can learn the reasons our family members and friends who have been deceived or trapped into this self-destructive lifestyle can and should leave it. And we certainly don't need an official research paper or a behavioral scientist (though these are available) to tell us that true change is possible.
“Does it take a published scientific paper to prove that those who practice homosexual behavior can change? “
Several high profile homosexual men fathered children before “realizing they were gay.” Sorry, but if a woman can ever arouse you to the point of going through sex, etc, I’d say you’re not “inherently” gay as they like to claim they are.
Propaganda works. Although we know that ultimately truth will prevail, sometimes it takes a long while.
Who cares? If someone wants to be gay then that’s their business. Just don’t ask me to pay for it or expect me to afford anyone special considerations for it.
“The 65 or so TV characters, who portray friendly, sympathetic, clean-cut, and sanitized homosexuals, work hard to persuade us that accepting homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle is necessary to our well-being as a civil society”
Nice. Straight to the point.
This sums up the entire socialist agenda.
Yes, actually. Any moron can scrawl stuff in the Kalamazoo Fishwrapper, precisely because they don't do peer review.
The DSM paraphilia list grows shorter all the time.
They’ve been attempting to declassify pedophilia for some time.
Peter Singer is all about legalizing sex with animals.
Sodom, meet Gomorrah.
Let the fire fall.
I am always impressed when I see what 2% of the population has been able to accomplish. They are a huge political force that consumes huge amounts of the public thought bandwidth. It is truly amazing.
Why don’t any TV shows feature “the funny, lovable necrophiliac next door”?
Correct. That leads to the conclusion that’s its all about their genitals (OCD).
I’m sure that’s next!
Step One would be to say that since homosexuality is in the mainstream, we WILL allow it to be taught about in schools IF (a very big "if") it is taught about as a chosen lifestyle by some.
Step Two would be to slowly introduce to any "teachings" of homosexuality, the problems of such a lifestyle (HIV, AIDS, and other communicable diseases, etc.). Make sure there eventually is enough information to dissuade people from wanting to enter into such a lifestyle.
Name people and their stories who lived that life, saw the idiocy of it and gave it up. Spin the lifestyle as not something good (won't be hard!), but remember to stick to the truth and use it to fight back at the eventual backlash the homos will mount as they will try to bury the truth of their chosen "liefstyle".
Whether you are born homosexual or become homosexual it manifests itself in behavior and all behavior can be changed.
I have a family member who is homosexual. They have said it is the most superficial and egotistical life style ever (their words) in the history of the world.
I asked are you happy. No, but they will never let me leave.
We’re currently averaging 9 years from utterly impossible crazy laugh-your-butt-off joke to law.
Recent example: pedos included in hate crime law.
No they don't. But try get the facts out there for all to see, especially to those in political office, which unfortunately are homosexuals doing all they can to suppress truth and make it illegal to distribute the truth to the general public. You risk being charged by human rights commissions of "hate crimes" simply for raising the question of whether or not homosexual behavior is a learned/chosen behavior and not one someone is "born" with.
For every year that goes by in which the truth of homosexualy is suppressed, is another year that these Homosexual anarchists succeed in warping the minds of, and converting children entering and in the public school system.
There needs to be a much stronger voice that can't be shut down by the homo anarchists and MSM that promotes it.
I’ve related this beofre at FR. Decades ago I worked for College Textbook publishers. We sold an abnormal psych textbook which, when I started with the compnay had homosexuality listed as abberant behavior. Within a year of my employment, a new edition came out which no longer listed homosexuality as abberant behavior, but still isolated the behavior as ‘destructive’. A couple of years later, another edition came out which listed homosexuality as an alternate lifestyle of risky behavior. By the time I left the company, the current edition didn’t even list homosexuality except in an off-hand way as an alternate lifetsyle in normal society.
I doubt it.
Normal sane people would find it morally repugnant and very offensive...much as they should all those “funny homos”.
Have you ever seen a gay porn mag?
Unless you have the stomach strength of a buzzard, I don’t recommend it.
The word “vile” doesn’t even come close....
“Who cares? If someone wants to be gay then thats their business. Just dont ask me to pay for it or expect me to afford anyone special considerations for it.”
That’s my approach. I’d add, “And don’t tell me about it, and don’t pout like a spoiled little 3 year old when I don’t give a crap or even notice.
No, I haven’t altho I did click on the website recently showing that Up Your Ally festival in San Fran. That was enough for me.
However, I can well imagine the media can sanitize virtually anything and make it palatable to the American public. I would never have imagined most of what passes for entertainment these days.
1 California 5.2% 1,338,164
2 Florida 4.6% 609,219
3 New York 4.2% 592,337
4 Texas 3.6% 579,968
5 Illinois 3.8% 345,395
6 Ohio 4.0% 335,110
7 Pennsylvania 3.5% 323,454
8 Georgia 4.3% 278,943
9 Massachusetts 5.7% 269,074
10 Washington 5.7% 266,983
Some states, like Texas, rank high biggest because their general population is high.
This data and more comes from the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community Survey. Link below:
As someone who suffered the “attentions” of a pedo for 5 years, I cannot conjure adequate words to express my rage over *that*.
Now, guess what I have to say about *them*.
I’m only 47 and I can’t believe my own eyes, either.
Things have gone literally to Hell.
I have lived too long.
Might you also want to add:
And don’t force my child to learn that it’s normal and even very very cool.
My attitude about homosexuality has changed, oh I still think it wrong, vile, putrid, and disgusting.
I just no longer am overly concerned with trying to legislate morality when it comes to this (and abortion).
We can’t count on legislation to fix any of this. Not at this time anyway. All we can do is beat liberal politicians at the polls. The Judiciary is also one of the main culprits, and citizens have little recourse against them.
When the people in certain states pass referendum in defense of marrige, the activist courts overturn the will of the people.
The thing that angers me the most? It is taught in the public schools, mass brainwasing at taxpayer expense.
Parents of public school children must protest, of course a parent must care first. In this forum I know I’m preaching to the quior(sp), but without the parents opposing schoolboards (as bad as it is now), it will get worse.
I just turned 52, and I can’t believe it either. I grew up in a world that was totally different from what we have today, my sons think I make stuff up! It’s sad really, it wasn’t perfect, but it wasn’t a bad place for a kid to grow up. I despair for my potential grandkids.
That’s next season...
The trouble is that we are all paying for it. The traditional family (Dad, Mom and the kids) is the backbone productive unit and moral foundation of our free society. Liberal policies and the homosexual agenda are focused like a laser on destroying this kind of family. The old cop-out "What two people do in private is none of my business" has never really been true. Evil behavior bleeds out on everyone....especially now, when the media and the government is sanctioning it.
Truly annoying is more like it. As if I too should be obsessed with their abnormal behavior 24/7/365.
So what if someone is a rapist, a murderer, an animal sexual abuser, child molester or any other perversion you can imagine. Just don't ask me to pay for it or allow anyone any special considerations for it, and as long as those involved are consenting.
See how that works? You can adjust the moral codes of a society to be whatever is made popular at the time. After all, they are "born" that way, it's normal.
Why do you think groups like NAMBLA are always pressuring "lawmakers" to lower the age of consent, and give children absolute control over their "rights" to decide what they think is moral and good for them? That group and others think a child should be able to decide who, when and what they should have sex with from the moment they become sexually aware.
The population can be made to think murder is righteous and good. All it takes is a few generations to warp the minds of the young, much like how Islam brainwashes Muslims from birth to think murdering non-Muslims in order to advance Allahs cause of making the entire world Islam is a duty they were born to serve and gives them reward in Allah's heavenly brothel.
I grew up with no fear of riding my horse alone through endless miles of mountains.
Nobody freaked out if I didn’t come home til after dark.
No stranger ever bothered me...only the pedo uncle.
These days, I go to Wal-Mart like I’m going into enemy territory, even in the day time because the ~huge~ formerly ritzy McMansion development they built behind it is now Section 8 housing.
My family would go on week long vacations and not even bother locking the house doors and -nothing- ever got stolen.
Now everybody here in “Hillbilly Heaven” locks their doors....even if they’re only driving a mile to the local general store....mostly because liberal “outlanders” have moved in nearby.
*Their* kids are disrespectful vandals and miscreants.
IIRC, the 10% figure came From Alfred Kinsey (U of Indiana) out of surveys that oversampled prison populations. Kinsey had a very clear personal agenda. His numbers have been long discredited by legitimate social scientists.
The likely figure is in the 2% range.
Murder, rape, child abuser etc are all deemed to be illegal. Being gay isn’t. And yes, there are deviant gays just like there are deviant blacks, hispanics or yes, even white christians.
Yes, you’re absolutely correct. If I had children, I would have mentioned that first and foremost. Since I don’t have any, I hope you understand my oversight. I appreciate your reminder.
I understand. My own kids are grown. I think teaching kept me very aware of the issue. I don’t care what anyone does in their own home (between consenting adults) and in fact I have a gay member of my extended family who I love very much. I don’t wish ill for him (altho I would be thrilled if he changed). However, I think the whole sex as recreation trend is damaging to our kids (I use our kids as in the kids in our culture) and I think the whole gay trendiness is just another brick in that particular wall.
Homosexual behavior was illegal at one time too.
All it takes, as we have seen, is a law to be changed when a lobby group in society becomes strong enough, and have enough infiltrators in government to change it. Just watch, rape murder and child molestation are next.
ALL gays are deviants, not just some of them. Homosexual acts are deviant and unatural.
And if you don't follow Christian teachings, you aren't a Christian. Can't be an unrepentant sinner and still call yourself a Christian.
Ahhh, but I am not a Christian....and I could give a rat’s ass that I am not. I am a limited government conservative.
Then until you are, don't go labeling who you think is or isn't a Christian.
A libertarian isn’t a conservative.
A libertarian is just a confused person who thinks only laws they agree with should be legislated. They have more in common with left wing totalitarians than conservatism.
You should care, because it is the propaganda that has led to it being forced down your throat, and mine, and being pushed to be taught in grade levels as low as Kindergarten. If that isn't something to care about I don't know what is.
My point is, they won't leave you alone, they will ask you to pay for it and they will want special consideration.
Really? Wanting less government, more liberty and personal accountability isn’t conservative? Demanding that the federal government not spend tax money that doesn’t belong to it isn’t conservative? Or how about demanding that the feds stick to the Constitution? Guess that isn’t being a conservative either. But, demanding that the government dictate morality, social policy and the like is.....
They are a largely secret society that will destroy anyone professionally or personally who opposes them. They have done this for centuries. Come to think of it, they are not that much different than the rest of the liberals.
They are a secret society that has figured out how to recruit millions of useful idiots called Liberals, Progressives or Democrats.
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Thanks for the post! There is so much scientific data available as it is incredible that the activists can say with a straight face that it doesn’t exist. What they want is to totally pigeon hole anyone who disagrees as quaint religious traditionalists.