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Obama pick faced discrimination [Sotomayor]
Washington Times ^ | May 26, 2009 | By Tom LoBianco

Posted on 05/26/2009 2:03:38 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Judge Sonia Sotomayor, President Obama's first pick for the Supreme Court, got some real-world experience fighting discrimination before she ever heard a case as a judge.

As a law student at Yale, she turned down a high-profile job with the powerful Washington law firm Shaw, Pittman, Potts and Trowbridge to protest questions during the recruitment process about her Hispanic heritage, according to a report in The Washington Post from 1978. The daughter of Puerto Rican immigrants, Judge Sotomayor would be the first Hispanic to serve on the high court if confirmed.

A student-faculty tribunal found that during a recruitment dinner one of the Washington firm's lawyers discriminated against her by asking whether she had been "culturally deprived" by her heritage.

Mr. Obama introduced Judge Sotomayor as a candidate with the "common touch" and "experience" he is seeking for the nation's highest court but did not mention the 1978 incident. Ms. Sotomayor has served on the U.S Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit since 1998.

According to the contemporary news account of the tribunal's findings, a Shaw, Pittman lawyer asked Judge Sotomayor: "'Do law firms do a disservice by hiring minority students who the firms know do not have the necessary credentials and will then fire in three to four years? Would [you] have been admitted to the law school if [you] were not a Puerto Rican? [Were you] culturally deprived?"

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1 posted on 05/26/2009 2:03:38 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Ahh, poor liberal baby. Although, I have to wonder how rough it was for her, considering she came out of an Ivy League school, rather than a state school, like most true Americans.


2 posted on 05/26/2009 2:05:40 PM PDT by ABQHispConservative (A Blue Dog Democrat is an oxyMoron!)
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To: Jim Robinson

What about people who face discrimination for being fat, ugly, and/or genetically predisposed to sexual deviance? When will their time come?


3 posted on 05/26/2009 2:06:53 PM PDT by exist
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To: Jim Robinson

“The daughter of Puerto Rican immigrants...”

Puerto Ricans are not immigrants.


4 posted on 05/26/2009 2:07:14 PM PDT by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: Jim Robinson
Ah, but the California Supreme Court said it best today:
First ... our task in the present proceeding is not to determine whether the provision at issue is wise or sound as a matter of policy or whether we, as individuals, believe it should be a part of the California Constitution. Regardless of our views as individuals on this question of policy, we recognize as judges and as a court our responsibility to confine our consideration to a determination of the constitutional validity and legal effect of the measure in question. It bears emphasis in this regard that our role is limited to interpreting and applying the principles and rules embodied in the California Constitution, setting aside our own personal beliefs and values.
Her own experience might serve her well when hearing oral arguments and spotting bovine excrement, but it would and should add nothing to her deliberative process in her current or proposed positions.
5 posted on 05/26/2009 2:09:13 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Tyranny is always whimsical." Mark Steyn 3/9/2009)
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To: Jim Robinson
The Affirmative Action President makes an Affirmative Action appointment.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!

6 posted on 05/26/2009 2:09:53 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President)
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To: Jim Robinson

My parents did not have much education but they sacrificed to help me through college. I am in agreement with Sotomayor
on this one. If someone asked me if I was culturally deprived I would have told them to go pound sand and walked out. We could not afford trips to the opera and concerts but we traveled
a lot and my dad used 1/2 of his vacation time to be with me at scout camp for the week. I could go on but I think many of us on this site have worked hard to succeed and had parents to help us. I did not hang out with Buffy, Muffy, and Biff at the club.


7 posted on 05/26/2009 2:10:33 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: ABQHispConservative

So, she wants to attain a power position to implement HER racism and discrimination...


8 posted on 05/26/2009 2:10:42 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: exist

‘What about people who face discrimination for being fat, ugly, and/or genetically predisposed to sexual deviance?’

Hey, leave my ex-wife out of this! :-)


9 posted on 05/26/2009 2:10:55 PM PDT by joejm65
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To: Jim Robinson

Everybody faces discrimination of one kind or another.

But in her case, it qualifies her to sit on the Supreme Court.

Is this a great country, or what?


10 posted on 05/26/2009 2:11:49 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: ABQHispConservative
Although, I have to wonder how rough it was for her, considering she came out of an Ivy League school, rather than a state school, like most true Americans.

What goofy principle is this? Conservatives should prefer the private over the public sector except when it comes to college, when going to a state school is the sign of being a true American? I attended an Ivy undergrad (Harvard) and a flagship state school (U of I at Urbana) grad, and my impression was that the Harvard undergrads were smarter *on average*. Is saying that some colleges have smarter grads than others *on average* or that brains matter "elitist"?

11 posted on 05/26/2009 2:12:09 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: cll; AuH2ORepublican

Some idiots (which includes the leftist media) believe PR is a foreign country. Guess since my parents moved with me to Tennessee, that makes mine “New York immigrants.”


12 posted on 05/26/2009 2:12:12 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Jim Robinson

She has a compelling life story, but still ends up as a racist kook who doesn’t understand the Law, when all is said and done.

You know, Rush Limbaugh has a really compelling life’s story ....


13 posted on 05/26/2009 2:12:20 PM PDT by Tarpon (You abolish your responsibilities, you surrender your rights.)
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To: ABQHispConservative

She says she’s “an ordinary person given extraordinary experiences and opportunities”: I would rather have the reverse when it comes to the Supreme Court.


14 posted on 05/26/2009 2:12:26 PM PDT by madameguinot (Our Father's God to Thee, Author of Liberty)
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To: Jim Robinson

Ginsberg will move on soon.

Then who?


15 posted on 05/26/2009 2:13:52 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Jim Robinson

How discriminated against could she have been since she must have been offered the job in order to turn it down?

Sounds like a somewhat awkward statement some partner made in trying to keep up with the tricky conversation she would have had the upper hand in.


16 posted on 05/26/2009 2:15:31 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: reaganaut1

Not at all, what I’m saying is that there is a perceived notion regarding Ivy League grads that they are somehow “superior”.

Besides, from what I paid to attend a state school, it did feel like paying for a private institution.


17 posted on 05/26/2009 2:16:51 PM PDT by ABQHispConservative (A Blue Dog Democrat is an oxyMoron!)
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To: Maine Mariner
While this was a poor way to phrase the question and possibly indicated ignorance, racism or worse on the part of the questioner, it was hardly the type of question which would constitute overt discrimination or even a hurtful comment to all but the most sensitive of people. I've been asked much worse things in interviews over the course of my career.

My father once had a black lab assistant who was very nice and competent in her job. She almost broke down and cried once when he gave her a sincere and well-deserved compliment because she said, up to that point, everyone had assumed she was an affirmative action hire and nobody assumed she had a brain.

18 posted on 05/26/2009 2:19:21 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s be nice to see some GoP’Nads show up for the comfirmation hearing. seeing as how we don’t have aRlen anymore.. (boo hoo)


19 posted on 05/26/2009 2:20:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hmmm. When I graduated from college, I was discriminated against in job opportunities because I was a white male. Does this mean I can lobby the Kenyan Mussolini for a job too?


20 posted on 05/26/2009 2:20:15 PM PDT by ssaftler (OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Jim Robinson
She is a few years younger than I am, but I can recall what life was like in big law firms in those days. They, like most of corporate America, were starting to grapple with the fact that they were mainly white and mainly male. They were, for the most part, trying to work toward a more inclusive demographic. There were of course many, particularly among the older lawyers, who thought things were fine just the way they were. Sounds like Shaw Pittman made the mistake of letting one of them get involved in the recruitment process. I wonder too if the wine may have been flowing too freely at that dinner. It could have been worse. I don't recall Shaw Pittman ever having a wet T-shirt contest for it female summer associates, as did Atlanta's King & Spalding.
21 posted on 05/26/2009 2:20:22 PM PDT by blau993 (Fight Gerbil Swarming)
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To: Maine Mariner

Why wouldn’t you just answer the question? I came from a modest background (I was the first in my family to get a college degree and my husband paid for most of it, while also supporting a young family and getting his own degree and MBA). If someone asked me a question like that I would answer it, but then, I don’t go around trying to find things to be insulted about. Perhaps I’m missing the boat!


22 posted on 05/26/2009 2:21:15 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Jim Robinson
As a law student at Yale, she turned down a high-profile job with the powerful Washington law firm Shaw, Pittman, Potts and Trowbridge to protest questions during the recruitment process about her Hispanic heritage,

And then she subsequently said her Hispanic heritage gave her a better viewpoint on the impact of the law than white males.

Can't have it both ways, hon...

Oh, that's right ... you're a liberal. Two-faced is your nature.

23 posted on 05/26/2009 2:22:18 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Beckwith

Other than the fact that she’s got a law degree I think maybe I have a broader life experience than she does. Perhaps I should write to Obama and nominate myself! (and actually, in the name of diversity, shouldn’t we have some Supreme Court judges who DO NOT have education in the field of law? I mean, it gives me a way fresher perspective!)


24 posted on 05/26/2009 2:22:52 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Glenn

Hillary?


25 posted on 05/26/2009 2:24:00 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Beckwith

“Everybody faces discrimination of one kind or another.”

She thinks she had it tough, try being a conservative and finding a TV show or a movie you can watch...


26 posted on 05/26/2009 2:26:10 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: blau993

You mean Kinky Spalding.


27 posted on 05/26/2009 2:28:36 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: brytlea

I don’t look for things to be insulted about and am for the most part thick skinned. But there is something about that question
that rubbed me the wrong way.


28 posted on 05/26/2009 2:29:02 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: Jim Robinson

Just what we need. Someone with a huge chip on her shoulder to sit on the Supreme Court.


29 posted on 05/26/2009 2:29:41 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Jim Robinson
I was on the receiving end of some pretty discriminatory academic and employment interviews, and some biased employment circumstances. Women were frequently treated unfairly in the late 1970's and early 1980's, when she and I were embarking on professional careers. I give her credit for turning down employment in this situation.

As to her apparent judicial philosophy, she and I part ways. Whatever discrimination she has suffered, and however she has come by her empathy, I disagree with her racist comments about being a Latina and hence better able to render judicial decisions. I also find very troubling her remarks about the judiciary being a place for setting policy. Life is full of complexity, but we have a personal and professional responsibility to rise above individual hurts and do our work objectively.

30 posted on 05/26/2009 2:32:00 PM PDT by Think free or die (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money - M.Thatcher)
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To: Jim Robinson

These law firm questions are what she is claiming to be discrimination?

Wow, she’s really had it bad. I wonder how she ever got over that ordeal.

Now, how does she feel about whitey being passed over to give preference for her favorite groups?

And will any Republican Senator have the backbone to ask her that question?


31 posted on 05/26/2009 2:37:49 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Sotomayor and Øbama believe the only significant challenges and difficulties in life are those faced by the protected classes.

Typical Professional Victim.


32 posted on 05/26/2009 2:43:36 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Øbama: The muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on earth at sunset”)
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To: Jim Robinson

From the stories I’ve heard....LAW firms have the WORST MANAGEMENT, and especially, probably during the time frame in which she was trying to gain employment.....that said....sheesh....what a wimp. And, I’m a woman.


33 posted on 05/26/2009 2:44:09 PM PDT by goodnesswins (WE have a REPUBLIC.....IF we can KEEP IT!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

So, let me get this straight.....they discriminated against her but offered her the job anyway? She should be more specific about the “inappropriate” questions about her ethnicity. Don’t all employers ask about race/ethnicity on employment forms to collect stats for Afirmative Action?


34 posted on 05/26/2009 2:53:22 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

‘Sounds like it just firmed her racism.


35 posted on 05/26/2009 2:54:18 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Jim Robinson
Obama pick faced discrimination [Sotomayor]


36 posted on 05/26/2009 2:55:55 PM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: blau993

Go any big law firm’s website and almost without exception, you’ll see a prominently positioned “Diversity” tab. Click on it and read them patting themselves on the back that they are so “inclusive” and create or participate in all these minority or female “initiatives” Or even more self-congratulatory, how they fund race-based scholarships.


37 posted on 05/26/2009 2:59:11 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Jim Robinson

Oh, poor baby. She TURNED DOWN the prestigious job because she didn’t like the questions. Most of us female lawyers didn’t even get the jobs. Her experience is hardly discrimination.

I’m disgusted she’s pulling the discrimination card. She’s had every opportunity, or she wouldn’t be where she is. Many of us from the same era got junky jobs and made do. We had lower pay and had to put up with dirty old men. And we shut up and did our jobs because we were happy to have them. I’m not crying for her “poor, poor” situation.


38 posted on 05/26/2009 3:01:21 PM PDT by keepitreal (Obama brings change: an international crisis (terrorism) within 6 months)
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To: Jim Robinson

“The daughter of Puerto Rican immigrants,...”

Puerto Ricans are not immigrants. Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory and its people are American citizens.


39 posted on 05/26/2009 3:10:57 PM PDT by CPONav
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To: A_Former_Democrat

It is client-driven (or it started out that way). The story is that 10-15 years ago, big clients started demanding to see the diversity numbers (how many women partners? how many black partners? how many black women partners? etc.). Those numbers were used by clients as part of their choice of law firm decisions. Law firms have responded accordingly with their diversity initiatives. A cost of doing (or getting) business.


40 posted on 05/26/2009 3:27:05 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: Jim Robinson
Obama pick faced discrimination [Sotomayor]

That's great. Welcome to the human race, Judge Sotomayor. Now that you've noticed that discrimination is a part of life you have two choices.

...a Shaw, Pittman lawyer asked Judge Sotomayor: "'Do law firms do a disservice by hiring minority students who the firms know do not have the necessary credentials and will then fire in three to four years? Would [you] have been admitted to the law school if [you] were not a Puerto Rican? [Were you] culturally deprived?"

All good and relevant questions that should be asked of her at her confirmation hearings. Another good question that should be asked of anyone who supports Affirmative Action is ...

"Do laws that support racial preferences do anything to end attitudes based on racial preferences?"

41 posted on 05/26/2009 3:28:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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“...The daughter of Puerto Rican immigrants...”

Puerto Ricans are not immigrants. The are born, live and buried as U.S. Citizens. If they hold passports, they are US passports.

42 posted on 05/26/2009 3:31:43 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: reaganaut1

My experience is that Harvard types are most assuredly *not smarter*, on average.


43 posted on 05/26/2009 3:33:24 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Maine Mariner
I feel the same way. If a prospective employer asked a question like that I would feel at the very least it was highly inappropriate and unprofessional.

I have no doubt she had serious hurdles in her life, probably more so, especially given the time she started her career, then if it was a White person in her position.

I even have no doubt she has the experience to be on SCOTUS. But it is her judicial philosophy which is not rooted in the Constitution but in “emotion”, “fairness”, and “social justice”. She believes in being a Judicial Legislator and that should simply be a total dis-qualifier right there.

There are a lot off Jurists out their with fantastic American stories to tell, but that does not make them qualified to sit on the SCOTUS, regardless of how much “empathy” is welled up inside them.

44 posted on 05/26/2009 3:39:33 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: spikeytx86
“But it is her judicial philosophy which is not rooted in the Constitution but in “emotion”, “fairness”, and “social justice”. She believes in being a Judicial Legislator and that should simply be a total dis-qualifier right there.”

Disregard period between Social Justice and She. Should be an and.

45 posted on 05/26/2009 3:41:51 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: reaganaut1

My experience is that on average, ivy leaguers are usually more indoctrinated and ideological than you would expect from the educated. Furthermore, this class of school is leading the charge on stopping any voice that it deems non-PC.

State schools routinely produce the finest doctors, physicists, research, etc. Time to face it, Ivy has become a boarding school for the spawn of a certain political class, but thats largely it.


46 posted on 05/26/2009 3:43:26 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: spikeytx86

“I feel the same way. If a prospective employer asked a question like that I would feel at the very least it was highly inappropriate and unprofessional.”

And that attitude is why men still generally mistrust women is such workplaces. When an applicant is sitting in judgement of the potential employer, with her “offended” radar set to high, it is exactly the wrong attitude. who wants to work around someone like that? Its known as “having a chip on you shoulder”.

Nobody wants a feminista commissar for a new employee.


47 posted on 05/26/2009 3:47:26 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: spikeytx86

And try this on guys. Im just a simple man, but its pretty obvious what really happened. Here were the questions:

“Do law firms do a disservice by hiring minority students who the firms know do not have the necessary credentials and will then fire in three to four years? (HINT)

Would I have been admitted to the law school if I were not a Puerto Rican? (again, HUGE HINT)

Was I culturally deprived?” (HINT)

Like i said, im a simple man,, could it be *remotely* possible that they were trying to send her, and others of her ilk a rather clear message? As in the affirmative action train just came to the end of the line. If you are thinking of working here, we will flush you in an instant if you aren’t top quality.

She considered their offer, and knowing the truth about herself, indignantly refused to work there. The firm laughed all the way to the bank, at having deflected types like her, used to special treatment due to skin color or plumbing.


48 posted on 05/26/2009 4:03:56 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Guess since my parents moved with me to Tennessee, that makes mine ‘New York immigrants.’”

Well, ... yes!


49 posted on 05/26/2009 4:42:21 PM PDT by docbnj
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Yeah, but that is now, not then. We are talking about the 70s. Affirmative action was a whisper, not a reality, and law firms and companies stumbled over whether or how to embrace the concept. Nobody has ever gotten it right, which usually means the concept is flawed. But in the process, there were a lot of fumbles, and Judge S now gets to tell the story of one of them.


50 posted on 05/26/2009 7:31:25 PM PDT by blau993 (Fight Gerbil Swarming)
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