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Calif. wants federal government to back its loans
AP via SFGate ^ | 5/27/9 | JUDY LIN, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 05/27/2009 1:04:23 PM PDT by SmithL

Sacramento, Calif. (AP) -- If AIG was too big to fail, how about the world's eighth-largest economy?

In a move with only one modern-day precedent, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democratic lawmakers are pressing the Obama administration and members of Congress for federal loan guarantees to help the state out of a desperate, multibillion-dollar jam.

California is not asking for cash, like the tens of billions given to AIG, General Motors or Morgan Stanley. Instead, the state with the worst credit rating in the nation is asking that Washington act as a sort of co-signer on the state's borrowing, to be backed up with money from the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

California leaders say that would make it easier and cheaper for the state to borrow money on the bond market, reducing the interest rate by as much as half and saving taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars.

The Obama administration has responded cautiously to the idea, and members of Congress from other states worry that it would put the federal government in the business of backing municipal bonds — a job traditionally held by investment banks.

They worry also that the U.S. government could overextend itself and risk its triple-A credit rating if California and other states or cities in distress start coming to Washington hat in hand.

But California leaders warn that without assistance from Washington, the nation's most populous state could fall deeper into a financial abyss and resort to even bigger spending cuts and layoffs, becoming a drag on the economic recovery of the nation as a whole.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: cabailout; calbailout; calbondage; calbudget; goldenstate; tarp; yourtaxdollarsatwork

1 posted on 05/27/2009 1:04:23 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

I want a pony.


2 posted on 05/27/2009 1:05:13 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: SmithL

Let CA fail. If they can’t figure out how to stop spending money, then they deserve to fail.


3 posted on 05/27/2009 1:07:52 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (We may officially be too stupid to govern ourselves.)
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To: SmithL
The Obama administration has responded cautiously to the idea, and members of Congress from other states worry that it would put the federal government in the business of backing municipal bonds — a job traditionally held by investment banks.

Maybe the should have started worrying about what the job of gov't was before they decided to go into business with banks, insurance companies, car manufacturers, etc.

4 posted on 05/27/2009 1:08:32 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: SmithL; calcowgirl; Liz

As a citizen of another state, I say...no.

The stupid tax-and-spend liberals and RINOs made their bed.

Now let them lie in it.


5 posted on 05/27/2009 1:08:55 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Drango

Pie. I want Pie. I want Blueberry Pie, with ice cream.


6 posted on 05/27/2009 1:09:27 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: SmithL

That’s a good one! The busted flat us gov. backing the busted flat california gov.


7 posted on 05/27/2009 1:10:28 PM PDT by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: SmithL

free money for everyone


8 posted on 05/27/2009 1:10:39 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com for the love of something)
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To: SmithL

Total BS! You live in a state and elect responsible leaders who spend carefully and live within their means. Others elect scum who spend like crazy on social program after social program. Why should the responsible states have to pay for the irresponsible ones?


9 posted on 05/27/2009 1:10:47 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: SmithL
Calif. wants federal government to back its loans

Who's going to back the federal government?

10 posted on 05/27/2009 1:11:29 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SmithL

HEY AHNOLD:
SEND THE ILLEGALS HOME to lessen the burden on the school, welfare and healthcare systems.

My niece is an OB/GYN who took her pre-med at HAAAAVVAAAAADDD! Needless to say, she emerged from that experience a FLAMING, BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL. (She
stopped catching babies and went into research when her malpractice premiums exceeded her annual earnings.)

Upon completing her medical training at yet another liberal university, she interned at a hospital near the border in San Diego.

It was there that a mystical transformation took place: She began to connect the heavy deductions from the slave wage GROSS EARNINGS for which she busted her butt for as many as 72 virtually sleepless hours in a row with the taxis and jalopies regularly sliding to the curb in front of the ER.

Many of them contained pregnant illegals who won the race to deliver their babies HERE. She caught many of those “anchor babies” who, under the current — and ERRONEOUS — interpretation of the 14th Amendment were IMMEDIATELY NEW AMERICANS. The mother – who, obviously, could not care for the child if she were back in her native land — could not be deported now even if the INS and the political bosses WANTED her deported . And as the mother of a new US citizen, the woman could remain here for about as long as she cared to – and that was usually for life.

Most of those patients were welfare recipients and the deliveries were charity cases: The bill for the hospital’s – and HER services – were routinely spread over the bills of those who DO pay. And what the other users of those facilities don’t cover went back to the taxpayers.
And since my niece was now a taxpayer, they were costing HER.

And while she may not exactly be a libertarian, today she’s now a LOOONNNNG way from Haaaavaaaaaad.

And just so the bleeders who might see this don’t think me some sort of ethnocentric bigot, I submit this problem is MORE than just about illegals.

Before my oldest daughter was born at University Hospital in Cleveland in 1967, I sat in the main lobby as welfare mother-to-be after welfare mother-to-be shuffled through the door to the maternity ER for THEIR free deliveries.

Before WE could take OUR daughter home, I had to cough up over 3 grand. And that was a great deal of dough in 1967, especially for a guy just out of the USAF.

As I wrote the check, I remembered the magazine article I’d recently read by a hospital administrator from Massachusetts who admitted that all US hospitals practiced a form of medical Marxism, spreading the costs of care for indigents over the bills of those who DO pay for care. Given the move to socialism here, it probably will never be otherwise: Not counting Byzantine complexity and confusion, government produces – and has — NOTHING unless it first takes it from some PERSON. SOMEBODY ALWAYS PAYS.

The illegals have been using the emergency rooms of our hospitals for their health-care, almost always at no charge to them. That cost is either spread over other users or the taxpayers. We have seen a national epidemic of hospital closings due to their insolvency, much of it caused by the burden of trying to render care to PEOPLE WHO SHOULDN’T EVEN BE HERE, denying care to native-born citizens who normally pay their bills and their taxes.

Look, I have a big enough problem paying for the 3rd and 4th generation slackers and welfare bums who were BORN here.

It’s time we stopped paying for those who were not.


11 posted on 05/27/2009 1:12:52 PM PDT by Dick Bachert ( th)
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To: EGPWS

The feds can’y even back up their own spending so what makes California think the feds will bail them out. Welcome to fantasy island. De plane, boss, de plane!


12 posted on 05/27/2009 1:13:00 PM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: Tenacious 1
If they can’t figure out how to stop spending money...

(hint, hint) California has the richest retired public employees in the world. (IMHO).

13 posted on 05/27/2009 1:14:12 PM PDT by 386wt (Stamp out orphan socks. Be very careful with laundry - 2 in 2 out.)
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To: Lurker

CA refuses to cut govt union workers extortion or illegal alien extortion.


14 posted on 05/27/2009 1:14:13 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: SmithL
government in the business of backing municipal bonds — a job traditionally held by investment banks.

Huh???

"There's simply no better stimulus than guaranteeing state and local bonds.

Double huh???

15 posted on 05/27/2009 1:14:18 PM PDT by Free State Four
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To: SmithL

No f***ing way.


16 posted on 05/27/2009 1:16:30 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (AGWT is very robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it at the 100% confidence level.)
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To: SmithL

Slash spending, cut the fat state employee pensions, and reduce business taxes to stimulate the state economy.

Once that’s done, cap expenditures to match expected tax revenue, and you’ve got a balanced budget. Problem solved without bankruptcy.


17 posted on 05/27/2009 1:18:08 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: SmithL

Citizens want Calif. to go pound sand.


18 posted on 05/27/2009 1:27:27 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Taxation with representation ain't so hot either.)
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To: SmithL

HEY ARNIE AND DEMO LEADERS, TOO BAD


19 posted on 05/27/2009 1:35:34 PM PDT by peace with honor
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To: SmithL

The Federal Government should just back every transaction, period. To do any less would, I’m sure, be a violation of the Equal Protection clause in the Constituion. Not to mention, racist, sexist, and homophobic.


20 posted on 05/27/2009 1:36:43 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Tenacious 1

LET THEM DRILL ALL THE OIL OFF THE COAST AND SELL IT.


21 posted on 05/27/2009 1:44:07 PM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: SmithL
This is another form of bailout. No matter what the Administration says, Obama will find a way to prop up California. California needs to be forced to face reality and make the cuts, no matter how painful, or the increasing expenditures will never stop until a final collapse into anarchy along with the rest of the US if it follows this course.
22 posted on 05/27/2009 1:46:28 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Dick Bachert
We have seen a national epidemic of hospital closings due to their insolvency, much of it caused by the burden of trying to render care to PEOPLE WHO SHOULDN’T EVEN BE HERE, denying care to native-born citizens who normally pay their bills and their taxes.

Excellent post. If an activist judge didn't stop the will of the people a decade ago with Prop. 187, I think California and the entire nation would look different today.
23 posted on 05/27/2009 1:48:06 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: EGPWS
Who's going to back the federal government?

Even China is starting to question the value of the dollar and our treasuries.
24 posted on 05/27/2009 1:49:25 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: SmithL

But California leaders warn that without assistance from Washington, the nation’s most populous state could fall deeper into a financial abyss and resort to even bigger spending cuts and layoffs, becoming a drag on the economic recovery of the nation as a whole.


As usual our politicians are putting tremendous time and effort into borrowing rather than attacking the real problem, growth of government and overspending, waste, fraud and mismanagement. SHUTUP AND CUT SPENDING, DAMN IT!!!!!!!! Most of us no longer even want to hear what California legislators have to say, let alone act on their threats. We’ve had it. This crisis is needed in California. Government will not learn a thing if we allow it to be bailed out.

As far as I’m concerned the entire University system could be closed, everyone fired and rebuild it when and/or if the economy turns around. Every commission should be disbanded. Close entire departments, support staff, offices. Get rid of all outside consultants. Their only value is to consult on how to spend more money. We’re in a crisis for crying out loud and our government acts like it’s only an inconvenience and can be fixed if only we can borrow more money. Jeez!! They really don’t get it.

The only higher tax I would accept is to triple the tax on celebrities and the movie industry.
Maybe they’ll move to another state.


25 posted on 05/27/2009 2:11:03 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: SmithL

“I want todaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy.......

I want tomorrooooooooow..........”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU7nG3KvZDA


26 posted on 05/27/2009 2:11:48 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: SmithL

California is not asking for cash,


Yes it is because it is asking for guarantees. We all know California can not pay back what it owes so that means those who guarantee and loan will be shafted.

Starve the beast is the only way to go. Nothing, nada, none, zero. Live with it California.


27 posted on 05/27/2009 2:13:39 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: SmithL; rabscuttle385
California leaders say that would make it easier and cheaper for the state to borrow money on the bond market

Who are these "leaders" they speak of?

Could they mean the same borrow-and-spend liberals in Sacramento that have forced the state into bondage?

You don't help a crack addict beat the addiction by givin' them more crack.

28 posted on 05/27/2009 2:17:22 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado!)
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To: SmithL
The Federal Government is on the verge of eliminating States anyhow. Witness Click-it-or-Tickett. The Feds are leveraged to control all the spending as things now stand. Why not have the feds back every loan taken out by every State, School District, Water Board, Park District, City, County, whatever. Then everyone can have plenty of money and all our problems are solved.
29 posted on 05/27/2009 2:28:55 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: Dick Bachert

The illegals have been using the emergency rooms of our hospitals for their health-care, almost always at no charge to them.


Tank u berry much.


30 posted on 05/27/2009 2:30:04 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: SmithL

“If AIG was too big to fail, how about the world’s eighth-largest economy?”

It’s not the California economy that’s gonna fail; it’s the government. Hardly took them a sentence to lie, which is par for the course for the MSM.


31 posted on 05/27/2009 2:45:31 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: EGPWS

“Who’s going to back the federal government?”

China.

If you want to know who’s gonna back China, that would be more than a billion semi-slaves.


32 posted on 05/27/2009 2:48:06 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: SmithL

No


33 posted on 05/27/2009 2:58:45 PM PDT by DHC-2
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To: SmithL
In other words, California is asking the federal government to allow it to continue to be a deadbeat. If I was a banker, I would throw them out and tell them not to come to back. No bank in the world would extend a loan to a poor credit risk.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

34 posted on 05/27/2009 3:11:43 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: icwhatudo

Would you bail em out if they had to surrender their state “sovereignty” and thus give up all of their representation in Washington,D.C.? Might be worth a ponder.


35 posted on 05/27/2009 4:28:37 PM PDT by Uncle Sham
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