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Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
Telegraph UK ^ | 28 May 2009 | Duncan Gardham and Paul Cruickshank

Posted on 05/28/2009 8:29:52 AM PDT by South Hawthorne

At least one picture shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee.

Further photographs are said to depict sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: abughraib; abusephotos; agitprop; enemedia; fakephotos; fauxtography; iraq; mediawar; mythmaking; photos; propaganda; proterrorist; rape; stalinisttactics; worldcantwait; yellowjournalism; zogbyism
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I'm not quite sure what to make of this.

Seems like if this was legit, NYT and WP would be all over it. So far, it appears only USA Today mentions it at all.

Mods, sorry if this doesn't belong in breaking news.

1 posted on 05/28/2009 8:29:52 AM PDT by South Hawthorne
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To: Owl_Eagle

And of course this never goes on in any other prison in the world and are most likely isolated incidents.


2 posted on 05/28/2009 8:31:01 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Owl_Eagle

Can’t wait for Mooslimbs to start killing eachother over this before it’s revealed as a fake.

Thanks, Newsweak.


3 posted on 05/28/2009 8:31:11 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

Just as long as we didn’t put panties on their heads!


4 posted on 05/28/2009 8:31:46 AM PDT by 50sDad (The Left cannot understand life is not in a test tube. Raise taxes, & jobs go away.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Some of the earliest photos depicted rape. However those photos were staged for a rape porn site.


5 posted on 05/28/2009 8:32:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Rape happens ... everywhere. Why is Abu Ghraib so special?


6 posted on 05/28/2009 8:32:43 AM PDT by library user
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To: Owl_Eagle

Looks like Gen. Taguba wants his name back in the news again.


7 posted on 05/28/2009 8:32:48 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Owl_Eagle
At least one picture shows... while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee.

"Don't ask, don't tell" has consequences.

8 posted on 05/28/2009 8:32:52 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Justice is blind. Sonia Sotomayor is not even qualified to sit on an IMPARTIAL jury.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Sounds like Al Quida sent them some photo shopped pix. If true, get some cells ready at Ft Leavenworth.


9 posted on 05/28/2009 8:33:42 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Owl_Eagle

Just a way to force the release of photos in order to prove they are all lies.


10 posted on 05/28/2009 8:34:28 AM PDT by Dustbunny ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. " Ronald Reagan)
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To: Owl_Eagle

“Another apparently shows a female prisoner having her clothing forcibly removed to expose her breasts.”

ANYONE being forcibly disrobed (for any of a number of reasons) would eventually be at least partially naked. Was it clear that the purpose WAS to “expose her breasts”?

Sensationalism at its worst.

“You give me the photos, I’ll give you the war.”

Yellow journalism tarnishes the trade.


11 posted on 05/28/2009 8:35:04 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Justice is blind. Sonia Sotomayor is not even qualified to sit on an IMPARTIAL jury.)
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To: cripplecreek

It looks like some of the picture are ones that were already distributed and are legit, other are questionable....pink sheets and the guy hanging upside down I thought were a hoax. Why do they keep printing it?


12 posted on 05/28/2009 8:35:20 AM PDT by boxerblues
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To: Owl_Eagle
I suspect that the military took care of the abuses with the courts-martials held...if it was rape, however, and it went unreported then Army Reserve Brig. Gen. Col. Janis Karpinski needs to be held accoutable again.
13 posted on 05/28/2009 8:35:40 AM PDT by meandog (If you don't like pitbulls, don't get one!)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Has anyone been charged with these alleged crimes? If we have photos and eye witnesses, why not?


14 posted on 05/28/2009 8:37:01 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: Owl_Eagle

I don’t buy it. If it happened, I seriously doubt it would have been photographed. This ain’t putting underwear on mustafa’s head. Rape gets soldiers sent to Ft. Leavenworth, so I doubt they would create evidence for a JAG officer to send them there.


15 posted on 05/28/2009 8:37:22 AM PDT by henkster (The GOP is housebroken window-dressing displayed to portray the fiction of a Republic.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
This would explain why a 'soldier' in Darfur would stick his bayonet through a four year old girl then hold her body aloft as her blood rained down on him. Did I mention the girl's father was forced to watch before being killed himself?

That is what I read in the book "The Translator: A Tribesman's Memoir of Darfur." That people were being tortured 'after' details of 'abuses' Abu Ghraib and Gitmo were released.

16 posted on 05/28/2009 8:37:29 AM PDT by synbad600
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To: Owl_Eagle

Who would take photos of a rape?


17 posted on 05/28/2009 8:37:38 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: Owl_Eagle

This Gen. Taguba guy is very suspect imho. Has been for a very long time.


18 posted on 05/28/2009 8:37:47 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: henkster

Gen Taguba is suspect and a partisan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Taguba


19 posted on 05/28/2009 8:38:59 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Among the graphic statements, which were later released under US freedom of information laws, is that of Kasim Mehaddi Hilas in which he says: “I saw [name of a translator] ******* a kid, his age would be about 15 to 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [name] who was wearing the military uniform, putting his **** in the little kid’s ***…. and the female soldier was taking pictures.”

Kasim Mehaddi Hilas was a detainee at Abu Ghraib, not a jailer (detainee No. 151108).

This is not to say that he IS lying, but the Al Qaida handbook instructed members to make false complaints.

The question isn't "what was alleged". These cases date back to 2004. What came out in the prosecution of the charges?

20 posted on 05/28/2009 8:40:40 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Justice is blind. Sonia Sotomayor is not even qualified to sit on an IMPARTIAL jury.)
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To: cripplecreek
Some of the earliest photos depicted rape. However those photos were staged for a rape porn site.

That's something that occurred to me too. Weren't they shown in the Boston City Council or something?

21 posted on 05/28/2009 8:40:42 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: a fool in paradise
Rape has nothing to do w/ sexual orientation, nor does pedophilia.

Besides, were there any women prisoners for the non-homosexuals to rape if they were so moved?

22 posted on 05/28/2009 8:42:02 AM PDT by synbad600
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To: boxerblues
It looks like some of the picture are ones that were already distributed and are legit, other are questionable....pink sheets and the guy hanging upside down I thought were a hoax. Why do they keep printing it?

Oh, that slide show they've got, those appear to be the old Lindie England and Friends collection.

23 posted on 05/28/2009 8:42:13 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle; All
FYI: Former Abu Ghraib Brigadier General, Janis Karpinski, AND chief Bush administration 'torture' investigator, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, John Conyers, are both endorsers of a revolutionary communist org/movement called "World Can't Wait":

Details here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2246142/posts

24 posted on 05/28/2009 8:42:13 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Yes they were both shown in Boston City Council and reported on by the Boston Glob (owned by the fake but accurate journal of record, the NYet Times) BOTH after they had been exposed as a hoax in the press and by the State Department.


25 posted on 05/28/2009 8:42:29 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Justice is blind. Sonia Sotomayor is not even qualified to sit on an IMPARTIAL jury.)
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To: Slapshot68

Yes, homosexuality and sex between guards and female prisoners NEVER happens in any prisons, especially in the US.

Gee, I thought these photos weren’t supposed to be released after all. What a coincidence that their content is publicized just days after Baracky’s reversal.


26 posted on 05/28/2009 8:44:09 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Owl_Eagle
"Further photographs are said to depict sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube."

The phosphorescent tube was really a chemical glow stick. The prisoners were told it was radioactive like the opening scene in the Simpson's and that unless they spoke the antidote would be withheld. The consequence would be testicular cancer, loss of hair (including mustache) and a slow painful death. Sounds more humane than water-boarding to me.

27 posted on 05/28/2009 8:45:37 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: synbad600
Yes, according to the article (and the redacted line I excerpted) they were "raping women" as well as men.

The media never does refer to Saddam Hussein's sons' rape rooms or Saddam's team lopping off hands at Abu Ghraib or disemboweling people there.

Ted Kennedy proclaimed that Abu Ghraib had simply reopened under new management. As horrible as these actions by US persons were, there is NO equivalence to what happened there under Saddam Hussein (or as Hunter S. Thompson said on his ESPN blog, worse than the most horrific Nazi attrocities).

28 posted on 05/28/2009 8:46:07 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Justice is blind. Sonia Sotomayor is not even qualified to sit on an IMPARTIAL jury.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
These photos are being suppressed in France. And the media doesn't give a Rat's a$$.

Islam's Homemade Concentration Camp (Frontpagemagazine May 28, 2009 Pamela Geller)

The abduction and murder in Paris of a young Jewish man by a gang of Muslim immigrants calling themselves the Barbarians shocked the whole of France in 2006. But now that the accused are on trial - silence.

A French judge has ordered the latest issue of the magazine Choc ("shock") removed from the shelves. The cover showed a man with duct tape completely covering his head, except for a small opening around his nostrils. His nose is bloody. His hands are also bound with duct tape.

It was a photo of Ilan Halimi, the 23-year-old Parisian Jew who was kidnapped and tortured for 24 days by the Barbarians. His captors took the picture and sent it to his family. A lawyer for Halimi's family had complained about the magazine, but Choc's editor-in-chief Paul Payan responded: "Of course, we understand the anguish of the parents and, of course, we share their anguish.... But what's so harrowing is not the publication of this photo. What's harrowing is what it represents, what happened, the reality behind it."


29 posted on 05/28/2009 8:50:03 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Justice is blind. Sonia Sotomayor is not even qualified to sit on an IMPARTIAL jury.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Karpinsky’s fault.


30 posted on 05/28/2009 8:50:05 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Owl_Eagle
Mistake Number 1: Failed to Inform Troops to Take No Prisoners.
31 posted on 05/28/2009 8:51:17 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann in 2012. With Liz Cheney as Secretary of State.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

We know that a few US soldiers committed crimes at Abu Ghraib, and were tried and punished for it. I see no point in airing photos of the crimes, except to satisfy the Left’s instinct for anti-Americanism.


32 posted on 05/28/2009 8:52:33 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Owl_Eagle
Photographs of alleged prisoner abuse which Barack Obama is attempting to censor include images of apparent rape and sexual abuse...

TMA - Too Many Adjectives.

33 posted on 05/28/2009 8:55:06 AM PDT by McGruff (Bumper sticker I saw on a older pickup, "Eat my Carbon")
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To: Owl_Eagle

bogus crappola.

more Murtha types calling American soldiers monsters.


34 posted on 05/28/2009 8:55:11 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Oh, that slide show they've got, those appear to be the old Lindie England and Friends collection

Thumbs up Lindsey...thats her
35 posted on 05/28/2009 8:55:16 AM PDT by boxerblues
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To: Owl_Eagle

If true, and that’s a very big if, then it would change my opinion on Abu Gahrib. The previous pictures of naked twister and having a dog collar with chain on one of the prisoners was not abuse. However, these allegations are outright criminal and should be prosecuted. Again, with the caveat of if true.


36 posted on 05/28/2009 8:57:04 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Owl_Eagle
There is not one thing mentioned in this article as fact. Everything is "apparently", "said to be", or "reported to have been".

So under that criteria:

It is thought by some that these types of photos appeal to the sexual desires of the journalists who wrote this article especially if the photos contain images small children.

37 posted on 05/28/2009 8:57:55 AM PDT by armymarinedad (Support, v., To take the side of; to uphold or help.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Sounds like bull crap to me.


38 posted on 05/28/2009 8:58:36 AM PDT by angcat ("When the strong man, fully armed, guards his own dwelling, his goods are safe".)
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To: a fool in paradise

I agree.


39 posted on 05/28/2009 8:59:21 AM PDT by synbad600
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To: smokingfrog
Has anyone been charged with these alleged crimes? If we have photos and eye witnesses, why not?

The latest photographs relate to 400 cases of alleged abuse between 2001 and 2005 in Abu Ghraib and six other prisons. Mr Obama said the individuals involved had been “identified, and appropriate actions” taken.

The dirtiest secrets about Abu Ghraib are that the men were already under prosecution for months before the photos leaked, Democrats in Congress had been made aware of the abuse (Hillary Clinton was among those who'd been contacted), and the photos were leaked by one of the participants who had unsuccessfully attempted to negotiate a (blackmail) plea bargain in exchange for not releasing the photos.

40 posted on 05/28/2009 8:59:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Justice is blind. Sonia Sotomayor is not even qualified to sit on an IMPARTIAL jury.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Have to agree with you there. If true or not true, they will use this to damage our troops. If true, court martial and prison are very appropriate.


41 posted on 05/28/2009 9:01:01 AM PDT by Blogger (It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins. - Ben Franklin)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
The myth spun by the Left is that they were NOT prosecuted.

Meanwhile the "Sgt. Akbars" of the US military who delibrately fragged officers (as supported by nut jobs on the Left coast) did not get much exposure for their own crimes.


42 posted on 05/28/2009 9:02:25 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Justice is blind. Sonia Sotomayor is not even qualified to sit on an IMPARTIAL jury.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Not drinking. Not even sipping.

Oh maybe the lying about the chemlight.

The raping is a load of barnyard.


43 posted on 05/28/2009 9:04:40 AM PDT by TFMcGuire (Life is tough. It is even tougher if you are stupid--John Wayne)
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To: Slapshot68

In the absense of any other info, and the lack of reporting by the US leftist press, and assuming “photos” even exist, I bet their photo shopped.


44 posted on 05/28/2009 9:05:58 AM PDT by dools007
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To: a fool in paradise
Interesting. Thanks for the info.
Do you have a reference?
45 posted on 05/28/2009 9:06:16 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Even when there were no photos, the Left manufactured such images.

Even in England, traitors betrayed their uniform for "the cause".

Mirror photos 'not taken in Iraq' (Thursday, 13 May, 2004)

Photos which appeared in the Daily Mirror apparently showing abuse of an Iraqi detainee were "categorically not taken in Iraq", Adam Ingram told MPs.

But the Daily Mirror said Mr Ingram had "not produced incontrovertible evidence that the pictures are faked".

The paper's editor said "the pictures accurately illustrated the reality about the appalling conduct of some British troops"...

The editor later resigned. The photos showed a British soldier urinating on a non-prisoner. The soldier was also prosecuted. He should have been hung for treason.

46 posted on 05/28/2009 9:06:51 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Justice is blind. Sonia Sotomayor is not even qualified to sit on an IMPARTIAL jury.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

I don’t believe this!!!!

Obama probably found out by some experts that the pictures were fakes (photoshopped, etc) and couldn’t release them as they would be exposed as such.


47 posted on 05/28/2009 9:07:36 AM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: Owl_Eagle

I don’t believe it. If the US Gov’t had those pictures and prosecuted the troops who’d led the prisoners around by the neck, then surely they would have prosecuted any who’d committed rape.

As you say, if these were true, the American media would be all over this!

Photoshop?

Lie?


49 posted on 05/28/2009 9:08:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
At least one picture shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee. Further photographs are said to depict sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube.
Offhand, I'd have to say, "fake", the same type of fakery familiar to anyone who's been reading about terrorist orgs and their tactics (and "terrorist orgs" often includes various British, French, and other European and US media outlets). "Hey, Tony, I've got an idea, let's rape these prisoners and photograph it!" Pulllease.
50 posted on 05/28/2009 9:08:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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