Skip to comments.Casey: Army would have to ‘shift gears’ for N. Korea battle
Posted on 05/28/2009 5:34:54 PM PDT by xzins
WASHIGTON It would take the Army time to "shift gears" if it needed to fight against North Korea, Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey said Thursday.
Right now, the Army is focused on the counterinsurgency efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, but North Koreas recent saber rattling has raised the prospect that the Army might be called upon to fight a conventional war.
"I have said publicly for some time that if we had to shift gears, it would probably take us about 90 days or so to shift our gears and to train the folks up that were preparing to go to Iraq and Afghanistan to go someplace else," Casey said after a speech at a Washington think tank.
That doesnt mean that it would take at least 90 days to send reinforcements to U.S. troops in South Korea, Casey said.
"We would move forces as rapidly as we could get them prepared," he said.
Casey declined to say how fast the Army could mobilize to meet a threat from North Korea, but he stressed the Army is "combat seasoned" and can move quickly.
"The mechanical skills of artillery gunnery and tank gunnery come back very, very quickly," he said. "The harder part is the integration that really brigade level and above of massing fires and effects in a very constricted period of time as opposed to what you do in a counterinsurgency over a much longer extended period of time."
Looking to the future, Casey said he expects conflicts this century to look a lot like the U.S.-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the Israeli war with Hezbollah in 2006.
Regarding the latter, Casey noted that the key lesson the Israelis learned was that they were too focused on irregular warfare.
"They were working so much in the West Bank and conducting counterinsurgency-like operations that they lost their combined arms skills, the ability to integrate fires in air and tanks and artillery," he said.
The U.S. Army needs to be prepared for the "full spectrum" operations ranging from offensive, defensive and stability operations, he said.
Casey expressed confidence that the U.S. Army can fight and win a conventional war against North Korea given its experience in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"Im not afraid of putting this force in the field against anybody," he said.
What makes Casey think 2009 will be a repeat of 1951-1953? It might look more like August 1945.
Are the SK’s gonna join the fight or is this one all ours?
You don’t have shift any gears if you use the right weapon!
NK would shoot first and could take the capital in a day.
What kind of naval assets do we have in the vicinity? Unleashing UAVs on the Pyongyang dictatorship would slow ‘em down some.
Which is why this should be a WMD war.
Well Obambi, you may get an object lesson why those F22s are more needed than you thought.
North Korea would probably have some help from other nations.
There’s not that much that can be done about Seoul. It’d be flattened to the ground in a day. The commies have so much arty in range there wouldn’t be two rocks standing on top of each other within a day or two. But they couldn’t move in south. That border is one of the most well defended ones.
If we are not prepared to use any and all weapons we have available, we might as well stay home and this president will not use what we have.
Yeah. That comment didn't inspire a lot of confidence in Casey, at least with me.
I think another altercation with the PRNK would be lightening fast and super bloody. They don't have the resources to get into a protracted engagement, even if they wanted too. It would have to be all-in from the get-go. I suppose it's tough to a active-duty Army officer to put it that starkly.
You have a point there. My cousin serves close to the DMZ and from what he “mentioned” to me, the logistics and supply chain have been prepped and studied for a long time which every scenario has been reviewed repeatedly. After Iraq, the commanders there dont want a cluster-f.
A massive provision of WMD ordinance would be about the only prevention of that, that I can think of.
You’d have to take out a lot of artillery and possible missile silos (or the equivalent).
It would have to be done almost across the whole southern end of NK, in one moment to prevent it.
This is all BS. Just move the USS Ronald Reagan and the USS GHW Bush over there and N. Korea would be turned into a parking lot in a day and a half.
It’s too bad our current CiC doesn’t have the balls to defend us. He will send the hildabeast over to talk.
The South Koreans have been buying a lot of smart weapons. The North Korean military is still largely equipped with 1970’s-era weaponry, and their training is pathetic. Seoul would be flattened, but the North would be toast.
What’s their mechanized look like? Could they storm in with tanks or military vehicles? It seems like we could mow down a major portion of the attackers, if they just stormed in.
You believe that our boy (no gonads) president would be willing to nuke anybody? Sorry, aint gonna happen. ;-)
Does anyone know anything about the extensive artillery line the Norks have pointing south? Seem to recall there are many tens of thousands...
The North has little to no capability to fight a long war and China is very, very unlikely to send troops this time.
The North could shell Seoul, but a biological attack would invite a nuclear response.....
Crap, I forgot who POTUS is. Yea, the we're screwed.
Just about obsolete by today's standards.
nah...just nuke um to hell
call it good
Bull crap. Artillery and tank gunnery skills are very perishable and unfortunately, may have to be re-aquired via blood.
I think that’s the problem. They would overrun the South before we could respond.
Who? Neither China or Russia would commit troops to defend North Korea.
They certainly have enough artillery to kill thousands of civilians...tens of thousands, if they use chemical weapons. They'd still lose the war to the South Koreans.
The North Koreans have old Soviet designed tanks. There is a corridor of flat ground that runs from the DMZ to Seoul, 70% of the Korean peninsula is mountainous. The Commies would send their armor down this corridor but the US and South Koreans know this so it would be a huge kill box from both ground and air attack although the question is would that be enough to stop the Commies from taking Seoul since its only 30 miles from the DMZ.
NK should have been nuked into submission in 51’
the infant PRC too
We didn’t take the shot and have been paying for it ever since.
If they think they can take on the world now , I say nuke them in to total unconditional surrender , or extinction , and that will end the matter forever. Let them take the first shot .
Then the world can’t blame us . Sorry about that Seoul .
Seoul is untenable, as it is bracketed by thousands of Nork artillery pieces with only one target: Seoul. Seoul would be blasted relentlessly.
They have the fifth-largest standing army in the world, and their backed by the Chinese who have the largest standing army in the world. If they invade the south, they’ll take massive casualties...but keep on coming. The regime doesn’t care how many of it’s men are chewed up by mines.
“What makes Casey think 2009 will be a repeat of 1951-1953? It might look more like August 1945.”
Why do we have all these nuclear subs & B-2 bombers if we aren’t gonna use ‘em!!!
Who needs it we have Obama to talk them to death.
Why have nukes if aren’t gonna use them?
They have an ample supply of Soviet-era tracked vehicles including Type 82 tanks and assorted APCs. If they're in a functional state of repair is another question altogether. I'm not sure if we have a solid handle on what works and what doesn't.
But even if it all worked, I'm not sure they would abandon their defensive positions to engage in an offensive campaign. Let's face it, they're all about survival. They probably know that even if they take ground, they don't have the air superiority to keep it.
This has been war-gamed seven ways to Sunday, but my guess is they'd hit a confined piece of Seoul quickly with substantial artillery and rockets as a deterrent show of force. What happens after that, would really be up to the South Koreans. I'm guessing that they would cave after sustaining serious casualties. They have well-trained defensive forces, but I don't believe the South Korean people have the stomach for war anymore.
I really don't think it would escalate and we'd just be back to where we were before, only with 10-50K dead South Koreans to bury. It's just a bad situation with no good alternatives.
We have some amazing weapons these days. There’s one that I’ve seen, that can identify a number of targets on it’s own and take them out. They are fired in one missile, they disburse, and hit something like 20 to 40 targets.
Fire off a few thousand of those, and the North will look like Moe after Larry and Curly got through with him.
I’m sure the military is ready for this. It would be an interesting situation to monitor.
I don’t take lightly the danger to our men though.
Somebody needs to tell Uncle Kim that Cold War fighting is not allowed.
From what I'm reading, the SK's, who's children have been indoctrinated as badly as dumb American kids with commie BS, will have an experience similar to being tossed in a blender set to frappe. After NK blow's it's load in the first 10 minutes of combat, conditions will gradually improve from there.
However, a valuable lesson will have been learned by all...
Seriously, I hope it doesn't come down to that.
Prayers that it doesn't.
Do you think they would commit aircraft?
I’m not sure why you think they wouldn’t commit troops though. I don’t think they’d like to see North Korea absorbed by the South.
China played an important role there before. I’m not convinced China isn’t helping NK out there now either.
The nuclear mines on the corridor will impede the invasion
Thanks for the comments. I appreciate the info.
We don’t have to shift anything if we nuke them.
SK would fight.
Thanks for your honest assessment.
They could dump a ton of artillery on the capital in a day, I doubt they’d take the capital that fast. Its a long walk.
May be true. The question is whether or not they could challenge the airspace any. The airpower of today could make that exceedingly expensive.
Didn’t Biden say that Obama would be tested, AND that many would consider his response a failure....
Something like that, wasn’t it???
Oh really? Know how many troops are on the ground in Panmunjun? Fewer than 600 Battalion Scouts (Light Infantry). These troops are nothing but a speed bump and they know it.
Drive south from the DMZ some time, every half mile to mile (iirc)is a fall-back position (berm with a gap). Every bridge over those gaps is wired to come down. Dragons teeth litter the fields in front of the berms.
The entire northern part of South Korea is designed to be given up but at a cost.