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Casey: Army would have to ‘shift gears’ for N. Korea battle
Stars and Stripes ^ | May 30, 2009 | Jeff Schogol

Posted on 05/28/2009 5:34:54 PM PDT by xzins

WASHIGTON – It would take the Army time to "shift gears" if it needed to fight against North Korea, Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey said Thursday.

Right now, the Army is focused on the counterinsurgency efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, but North Korea’s recent saber rattling has raised the prospect that the Army might be called upon to fight a conventional war.

"I have said publicly for some time that if we had to shift gears, it would probably take us about 90 days or so to shift our gears and to train the folks up that were preparing to go to Iraq and Afghanistan to go someplace else," Casey said after a speech at a Washington think tank.

That doesn’t mean that it would take at least 90 days to send reinforcements to U.S. troops in South Korea, Casey said.

"We would move forces as rapidly as we could get them prepared," he said.

Casey declined to say how fast the Army could mobilize to meet a threat from North Korea, but he stressed the Army is "combat seasoned" and can move quickly.

"The mechanical skills of artillery gunnery and tank gunnery come back very, very quickly," he said. "The harder part is the integration — that really brigade level and above of massing fires and effects in a very constricted period of time as opposed to what you do in a counterinsurgency over a much longer extended period of time."

Looking to the future, Casey said he expects conflicts this century to look a lot like the U.S.-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the Israeli war with Hezbollah in 2006.

Regarding the latter, Casey noted that the key lesson the Israelis learned was that they were too focused on irregular warfare.

"They were working so much in the West Bank and conducting counterinsurgency-like operations that they lost their combined arms skills, the ability to integrate fires in air and tanks and artillery," he said.

The U.S. Army needs to be prepared for the "full spectrum" operations ranging from offensive, defensive and stability operations, he said.

Casey expressed confidence that the U.S. Army can fight and win a conventional war against North Korea given its experience in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"I’m not afraid of putting this force in the field against anybody," he said.


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1 posted on 05/28/2009 5:34:54 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins

What makes Casey think 2009 will be a repeat of 1951-1953? It might look more like August 1945.


2 posted on 05/28/2009 5:36:20 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: xzins
90 days? We wouldn't have 90 minutes to defend Seoul.
3 posted on 05/28/2009 5:37:28 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: xzins

Are the SK’s gonna join the fight or is this one all ours?


4 posted on 05/28/2009 5:37:58 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: xzins

You don’t have shift any gears if you use the right weapon!


5 posted on 05/28/2009 5:38:04 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

NK would shoot first and could take the capital in a day.


6 posted on 05/28/2009 5:38:51 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

What kind of naval assets do we have in the vicinity? Unleashing UAVs on the Pyongyang dictatorship would slow ‘em down some.


7 posted on 05/28/2009 5:38:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Which is why this should be a WMD war.


8 posted on 05/28/2009 5:39:38 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins

Well Obambi, you may get an object lesson why those F22s are more needed than you thought.

North Korea would probably have some help from other nations.


9 posted on 05/28/2009 5:40:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: Lurker

There’s not that much that can be done about Seoul. It’d be flattened to the ground in a day. The commies have so much arty in range there wouldn’t be two rocks standing on top of each other within a day or two. But they couldn’t move in south. That border is one of the most well defended ones.


10 posted on 05/28/2009 5:40:45 PM PDT by farlander (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Right weapon?
11 posted on 05/28/2009 5:40:50 PM PDT by GSP.FAN
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To: xzins

If we are not prepared to use any and all weapons we have available, we might as well stay home and this president will not use what we have.


12 posted on 05/28/2009 5:41:32 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (32 shopping days to Graybeard58's 64th. b/day. Selah.)
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To: Lurker
"90 days? We wouldn't have 90 minutes to defend Seoul.

Yeah. That comment didn't inspire a lot of confidence in Casey, at least with me.

I think another altercation with the PRNK would be lightening fast and super bloody. They don't have the resources to get into a protracted engagement, even if they wanted too. It would have to be all-in from the get-go. I suppose it's tough to a active-duty Army officer to put it that starkly.

13 posted on 05/28/2009 5:41:34 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

You have a point there. My cousin serves close to the DMZ and from what he “mentioned” to me, the logistics and supply chain have been prepped and studied for a long time which every scenario has been reviewed repeatedly. After Iraq, the commanders there dont want a cluster-f.


14 posted on 05/28/2009 5:42:40 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Lurker

A massive provision of WMD ordinance would be about the only prevention of that, that I can think of.

You’d have to take out a lot of artillery and possible missile silos (or the equivalent).

It would have to be done almost across the whole southern end of NK, in one moment to prevent it.


15 posted on 05/28/2009 5:44:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
Exactly. Moving forces in would be a tragic mistake as we'd just be sending in hostages. Send in our support ballistically.
16 posted on 05/28/2009 5:44:49 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Tyranny is always whimsical." Mark Steyn 3/9/2009)
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To: xzins

This is all BS. Just move the USS Ronald Reagan and the USS GHW Bush over there and N. Korea would be turned into a parking lot in a day and a half.
It’s too bad our current CiC doesn’t have the balls to defend us. He will send the hildabeast over to talk.


17 posted on 05/28/2009 5:45:21 PM PDT by taillightchaser (!)
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To: xzins

The South Koreans have been buying a lot of smart weapons. The North Korean military is still largely equipped with 1970’s-era weaponry, and their training is pathetic. Seoul would be flattened, but the North would be toast.


18 posted on 05/28/2009 5:45:55 PM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's "magic" is another man's engineering. "Supernatural" is a null word. -- R A Heinlein)
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To: Big_Monkey

What’s their mechanized look like? Could they storm in with tanks or military vehicles? It seems like we could mow down a major portion of the attackers, if they just stormed in.


19 posted on 05/28/2009 5:46:40 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

You believe that our boy (no gonads) president would be willing to nuke anybody? Sorry, ain’t gonna’ happen. ;-)


20 posted on 05/28/2009 5:48:42 PM PDT by doc1019 (Without White Liberal Guilt, Obama would just be another worthless Congress critter.)
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To: GL of Sector 2814

Does anyone know anything about the extensive artillery line the Norks have pointing south? Seem to recall there are many tens of thousands...


21 posted on 05/28/2009 5:51:52 PM PDT by dogcaller
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To: xzins
South Korea has substantial capability this time, unlike before.

The North has little to no capability to fight a long war and China is very, very unlikely to send troops this time.

The North could shell Seoul, but a biological attack would invite a nuclear response.....

Crap, I forgot who POTUS is. Yea, the we're screwed.

22 posted on 05/28/2009 5:51:53 PM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Their most numerous is tank is the T-55, followed by the T-62. Their most common APC is the BTR-60.

Just about obsolete by today's standards.

23 posted on 05/28/2009 5:53:22 PM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's "magic" is another man's engineering. "Supernatural" is a null word. -- R A Heinlein)
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To: xzins

nah...just nuke um to hell

call it good


24 posted on 05/28/2009 5:53:41 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: xzins

Bull crap. Artillery and tank gunnery skills are very perishable and unfortunately, may have to be re-aquired via blood.


25 posted on 05/28/2009 5:54:15 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: GSP.FAN

Yep!


26 posted on 05/28/2009 5:54:19 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Lurker

I think that’s the problem. They would overrun the South before we could respond.


27 posted on 05/28/2009 5:55:49 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: DoughtyOne
North Korea would probably have some help from other nations.

Who? Neither China or Russia would commit troops to defend North Korea.

28 posted on 05/28/2009 5:55:52 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: dogcaller
Does anyone know anything about the extensive artillery line the Norks have pointing south? Seem to recall there are many tens of thousands...

They certainly have enough artillery to kill thousands of civilians...tens of thousands, if they use chemical weapons. They'd still lose the war to the South Koreans.

29 posted on 05/28/2009 5:56:55 PM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's "magic" is another man's engineering. "Supernatural" is a null word. -- R A Heinlein)
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To: DoughtyOne

The North Koreans have old Soviet designed tanks. There is a corridor of flat ground that runs from the DMZ to Seoul, 70% of the Korean peninsula is mountainous. The Commies would send their armor down this corridor but the US and South Koreans know this so it would be a huge kill box from both ground and air attack although the question is would that be enough to stop the Commies from taking Seoul since its only 30 miles from the DMZ.


30 posted on 05/28/2009 5:57:03 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: LeoWindhorse

NK should have been nuked into submission in 51’
the infant PRC too
We didn’t take the shot and have been paying for it ever since.
If they think they can take on the world now , I say nuke them in to total unconditional surrender , or extinction , and that will end the matter forever. Let them take the first shot .
Then the world can’t blame us . Sorry about that Seoul .


31 posted on 05/28/2009 5:57:06 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Lurker

Seoul is untenable, as it is bracketed by thousands of Nork artillery pieces with only one target: Seoul. Seoul would be blasted relentlessly.


32 posted on 05/28/2009 5:58:22 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: farlander

They have the fifth-largest standing army in the world, and their backed by the Chinese who have the largest standing army in the world. If they invade the south, they’ll take massive casualties...but keep on coming. The regime doesn’t care how many of it’s men are chewed up by mines.


33 posted on 05/28/2009 5:58:25 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

“What makes Casey think 2009 will be a repeat of 1951-1953? It might look more like August 1945.”

THANK YOU

Why do we have all these nuclear subs & B-2 bombers if we aren’t gonna use ‘em!!!


34 posted on 05/28/2009 5:58:52 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: xzins
It would take the Army time to "shift gears" if it needed to fight against North Korea, Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey said Thursday.

Army?

Who needs it we have Obama to talk them to death.

35 posted on 05/28/2009 5:58:56 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: xzins

Why have nukes if aren’t gonna use them?


36 posted on 05/28/2009 5:59:36 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: DoughtyOne
"What’s their mechanized look like? Could they storm in with tanks or military vehicles?

They have an ample supply of Soviet-era tracked vehicles including Type 82 tanks and assorted APCs. If they're in a functional state of repair is another question altogether. I'm not sure if we have a solid handle on what works and what doesn't.

But even if it all worked, I'm not sure they would abandon their defensive positions to engage in an offensive campaign. Let's face it, they're all about survival. They probably know that even if they take ground, they don't have the air superiority to keep it.

This has been war-gamed seven ways to Sunday, but my guess is they'd hit a confined piece of Seoul quickly with substantial artillery and rockets as a deterrent show of force. What happens after that, would really be up to the South Koreans. I'm guessing that they would cave after sustaining serious casualties. They have well-trained defensive forces, but I don't believe the South Korean people have the stomach for war anymore.

I really don't think it would escalate and we'd just be back to where we were before, only with 10-50K dead South Koreans to bury. It's just a bad situation with no good alternatives.

37 posted on 05/28/2009 5:59:56 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: GL of Sector 2814

We have some amazing weapons these days. There’s one that I’ve seen, that can identify a number of targets on it’s own and take them out. They are fired in one missile, they disburse, and hit something like 20 to 40 targets.

Fire off a few thousand of those, and the North will look like Moe after Larry and Curly got through with him.

I’m sure the military is ready for this. It would be an interesting situation to monitor.

I don’t take lightly the danger to our men though.


38 posted on 05/28/2009 6:00:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: xzins

Somebody needs to tell Uncle Kim that Cold War fighting is not allowed.


39 posted on 05/28/2009 6:01:08 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Putin warned Obama not to pursue Marxism. Obama has ignored him.)
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To: randog
Are the SK’s gonna join the fight or is this one all ours?

From what I'm reading, the SK's, who's children have been indoctrinated as badly as dumb American kids with commie BS, will have an experience similar to being tossed in a blender set to frappe. After NK blow's it's load in the first 10 minutes of combat, conditions will gradually improve from there.

However, a valuable lesson will have been learned by all...

Seriously, I hope it doesn't come down to that.

Prayers that it doesn't.

40 posted on 05/28/2009 6:01:23 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Do you think they would commit aircraft?

I’m not sure why you think they wouldn’t commit troops though. I don’t think they’d like to see North Korea absorbed by the South.

China played an important role there before. I’m not convinced China isn’t helping NK out there now either.


41 posted on 05/28/2009 6:03:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: C19fan

The nuclear mines on the corridor will impede the invasion


42 posted on 05/28/2009 6:04:40 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Crucify ! Crucify ! Crucify him!!)
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To: C19fan

Thanks for the comments. I appreciate the info.


43 posted on 05/28/2009 6:04:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: xzins

We don’t have to shift anything if we nuke them.


44 posted on 05/28/2009 6:05:10 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: randog

SK would fight.


45 posted on 05/28/2009 6:06:06 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Big_Monkey

Thanks for your honest assessment.


46 posted on 05/28/2009 6:06:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

They could dump a ton of artillery on the capital in a day, I doubt they’d take the capital that fast. Its a long walk.


47 posted on 05/28/2009 6:07:02 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: americanophile

May be true. The question is whether or not they could challenge the airspace any. The airpower of today could make that exceedingly expensive.


48 posted on 05/28/2009 6:07:06 PM PDT by farlander (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Dallas59

Didn’t Biden say that Obama would be tested, AND that many would consider his response a failure....

Something like that, wasn’t it???


49 posted on 05/28/2009 6:07:40 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: farlander
But they couldn’t move in south. That border is one of the most well defended ones.

________________________________________________

Oh really? Know how many troops are on the ground in Panmunjun? Fewer than 600 Battalion Scouts (Light Infantry). These troops are nothing but a speed bump and they know it.

Drive south from the DMZ some time, every half mile to mile (iirc)is a fall-back position (berm with a gap). Every bridge over those gaps is wired to come down. Dragons teeth litter the fields in front of the berms.

The entire northern part of South Korea is designed to be given up but at a cost.

50 posted on 05/28/2009 6:08:29 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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