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Democrats wait for tragedy to enact weapon legislation
Examiner.com ^ | 5-29-2009 | Dianna Cotter

Posted on 05/29/2009 9:59:05 PM PDT by Danae

America’s 1st Freedom June 2009 Magazine has called the Democrats onto the carpet.

And it isn’t pretty.

Marshall Lewin in an article titled:”Showing their True Colors”, lays it all on the line. In his article he describes a ruthless calculation, Democrat leaders in the White House and in Congress are waiting for people to die. That’s right. They are waiting until there is some national level tragedy, the loss of life involving firearms, to introduce and then pass legislation banning guns.

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1 posted on 05/29/2009 9:59:06 PM PDT by Danae
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To: Danae

I expect them to create a situation when they are ready.


2 posted on 05/29/2009 10:03:33 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Danae

Sure they will try this.

They will sacrifice human life for their own gain.

Many will fall for the ruse.

Many of us will see through it.

They will be opposed!

They are evil bastards.


3 posted on 05/29/2009 10:05:53 PM PDT by unkus
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

But what about the 2nd amendment? And the case last year in which the Supreme Court said explicitly that we have a right as individuals to own guns?

I thought also, that’s why the various gun control laws deal with licensing and registration and trigger locks and such. Because I thought they want to make us jump through hoops to comply with various gun laws without actually banning them.


4 posted on 05/29/2009 10:07:06 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Danae

what happens when the incident they are waiting for turns out to be a domestic terrorist attack where the terrorists end up getting their arses blown off by gun wielding citizens?


5 posted on 05/29/2009 10:08:19 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Danae
They are waiting until there is some national level tragedy, the loss of life involving firearms, to introduce and then pass legislation banning guns.

This logic has always escaped me. What on earth does a microscopic percentage of people committing an extraordinarily rare crime have anything whatever to do with the criminalization and seizure of the guns of sixty million law abiding citizens? The very scale of this fraud is utterly insane.

6 posted on 05/29/2009 10:09:00 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Danae

That’s how the Nazis gained power so fast. They used political skill and the media they controlled to take advantage of each and every national crisis and tragedy.


7 posted on 05/29/2009 10:09:50 PM PDT by jerry557
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To: Danae

I doubt if they’re “waiting”. If you have absolutely no morals, why leave it to chance if you can produce your own tragedy tailor made for your evil purposes?


8 posted on 05/29/2009 10:10:18 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Safrguns

I want to be the first in line for that duck shoot!


9 posted on 05/29/2009 10:10:36 PM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: Still Thinking

Oh but that would be “Bad” press.


10 posted on 05/29/2009 10:11:04 PM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: Danae

Only if people found out. And even if it started to look suspicious you know you’d never hear a peep on the alphabet networks.


11 posted on 05/29/2009 10:12:10 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Still Thinking

Of of course not, it will all be about how they have to “GET THOSE GUNS” off the streets.


12 posted on 05/29/2009 10:13:47 PM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: bamahead

ping


13 posted on 05/29/2009 10:14:24 PM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: Travis McGee

Life imitating art?


14 posted on 05/29/2009 10:15:55 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Danae

We need to invoke secession before the country falls into social collapse


15 posted on 05/29/2009 10:15:57 PM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: Danae

> “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them… Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in’, I would have done it.”

LOL - You might get the votes, but who would enforce it? How many Federal Officers would turn in their badges rather than get shot doing something illegal and, honestly, stupid? And who would keep the armed forces, who are sworn to uphold the Constitution, from engaging the traitors, who just voted so blatantly against it, in [violent] military action?


16 posted on 05/29/2009 10:16:54 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Danae

Like Create a crisis so they can do things that wouldn’t normally be accomplished?

Of course they are waiting. But why enact legislation when the prez can just declare martial law and accomplish a roundup without congressional authorization?


17 posted on 05/29/2009 10:17:06 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“I expect them to create a situation when they are ready.”

Bingo!

It will be one of those “opportunities” for ballerina Rahm.

It is typical totalitarian - control freak behavior, someone messes their pants and everyone has to wear diapers.

Except these people have a broader agenda.


18 posted on 05/29/2009 10:17:28 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Socialism is inconsistent with the Constitution and is one of the "domestic enemies".)
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To: Danae

My prediction:

By this time next year it will be much more difficult for the average citizen to obtain a gun—if they are not banned outright for all but police and government—inactive military will be banned as well.

Remember, the “it [US Constitution] doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf”.

These are not your run-of-the-mill liberals. These are communists.

This is but the quiet before the storm.

They WILL NOT wait for the people to vote away their power in 2010—it ain’t happening that way, folks.


19 posted on 05/29/2009 10:18:33 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Danae
They are stuck in a Clinton-era time warp.

The difference this time is that millions more citizens own semi-auto rifles and millions more citizens have concealed carry permits now as compared to, say, 1994. Even amongst the Out Door Life crowd in the early 1990’s it was only the nut cases who had AR-15’s, whereas now they are seen as bona fide varmint rifles that have gone main stream (heck, even Remington makes one now). Throw in the Heller decision, and things get interested.

There are also democratic legislators who saw a good number of their comrades booted out of office in 1994 too, and would rather not play that game anymore.

If Obamzo the clown reads “these guns belong on foreign battle fields” off his teleprompter one more time, someone ought to ask if his secret service detail is on a foreign battle field. If disarmament is such a dandy thing then why should the federal government pester private individuals when the federal government could disarm itself with the stroke of a pen?

20 posted on 05/29/2009 10:24:05 PM PDT by Jacob Morgan
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To: Boucheau

They aint gonna do shit.

I heard the same BS for years when Clintoon was in office...black helecopters...un takeovers....bleh...

They can pass any damn laws they want...They will still have to come and get them...

Molon labe!


21 posted on 05/29/2009 10:24:07 PM PDT by Crim
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To: Talisker

Since when has there been logic in politics? It has nothing to do with logic.

The government and their propaganda will promote the idea that guns kill people. And the government will make the promise of security in exchange for freedom. Benjamin Franklin saw this trick used time and time again back in his day. And he’s known for the famous quote to warn future society of it.


22 posted on 05/29/2009 10:30:40 PM PDT by jerry557
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To: Dilbert San Diego

They want a total ban, but are willing to take a little bit at a time. We’ve given them too much already. You can go to prison for having a pocket knife in the UK, they would like to see that here.


23 posted on 05/29/2009 10:44:50 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Crim

I’ve already had this argument with select FReepers at least ten times.

YOU ain’t gonna do s*** if they ban them.

What, are gonna try to resist them? Are you going to aim your gun at a sheriff’s deputy/police officer/national guardsman?

You’re a daisy if you do.

As soon as most gun owners see the government actually kill a few people on CNN/FoxNews it will be over.

These aren’t liberals. They will create a scenario to shift the paradigm.

Wait and see.


24 posted on 05/29/2009 10:47:44 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Yes they would. Never gonna happen though. If nothing else I will start sharpening my butter knives, they are rather well balanced now that I think about it.........


25 posted on 05/29/2009 10:48:06 PM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: Danae

I can promise that when they try, there will be many more dead.


26 posted on 05/29/2009 10:51:13 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: jerry557

“The government and their propaganda will promote the idea that guns kill people. And the government will make the promise of security in exchange for freedom. Benjamin Franklin saw this trick used time and time again back in his day. And he’s known for the famous quote to warn future society of it.”

And then what?

pass a law?

declare martial law?

who’s gonna enforce it?

I heard this same exaclt crap from the truthers fro the last 7.5 years....

oh...there gonna round us up and put us in camps....

Bleh....you think you going to find enough people to put 85 million people anywhere 85 million people dont want to be?

They gonna carpet bomb half the country?

And who’s gonna follow those orders....

and who isnt gonna follow those orders?

sheesh....

It took our entire combined armed forces a couple years to quesll the country the size of Ohio with 5000 assholes running around with AK’s and IED’s....

WTF are they gonna do with 85 million assholes with over 200 million weapons to hand out?

They wouldnt be able to hold new york or LA without being willing to shoot the frak out of everything...and I mean EVERYTHING....

You think our citizen soldiers are just gonna say Ok...I’ll kill everyone where my aunt lives...or my cousins...or my friends....

Worse case senario...they declare martial law....troops moblize....when they get to their deployment points...they are greeted with open arms and they give washington the finger....

Now what?

They tried that shit in russia.....didnt work so good...the army deployed...then gave the finger to the soviet Govt.

End of soviet Govt.

The army of for and by the people...is the army of ,for and by the people....

This aint china.

And I would remind you...when China tried to clear Tiananmen Square the first time...the army gave them the finger too...they had to clear those troops and bring in troops from the far north who hated people in the south anyways...

Are military isnt built like that...

Why do you think the libs lement the “red state army”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/14/AR2008121401815.html

Because they know our troops wouldnt follow unconstitutional orders...

Spare me the stuff on katrina...it was local cops who took peoples guns....not the NG....

yeah...in case you cant tell..this crap pisses me off just a tad...


27 posted on 05/29/2009 10:57:09 PM PDT by Crim
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To: Crim

The Australian AND the Brit gun-owners talked tough too.

When the ban happened they did nothing.

And neither will American gun owners.

It’s important to fight them NOW however we can (non-violently).

I’m a long-time NRA member. I’ve looked closely at how it all happened in other countries.

There will be some piss’n and moanin’ but that’s about it.

If the sheeple won’t make more than a wimper as they are shackled with debt up to their ears, lowering the standard of living for themselves and their children for decades, what the hell makes you think they would actually resist a gun ban?

A big thanks to all those “republicans” who voted for 0bama because he was “cool” and black. Thank you very much for your effort and thorough consideration.


28 posted on 05/29/2009 10:57:22 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Boucheau

I’ll gun down ANY man who tries to disarm me.

Period.

Go read a comic book.


29 posted on 05/29/2009 10:58:23 PM PDT by Crim
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To: Boucheau

THIS ISNT ENGLAND OR OZ.

Christ.


30 posted on 05/29/2009 10:59:47 PM PDT by Crim
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To: prismsinc

And the sooner, the better.


31 posted on 05/29/2009 10:59:53 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Boucheau

YOU obviously don’t know $hit.

I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

I am a producer, not a parasite. Zeros commie buddies want people to work and pay the taxes; corpses do them no good at all.

This is all bullqueeze anyway. There is NO WAY they are going to outlaw guns, and the goobermint knows it.


32 posted on 05/29/2009 11:00:00 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: jerry557

“That’s how the Nazis gained power so fast. They used political skill and the media they controlled to take advantage of each and every national crisis and tragedy.”

Not many Germans possessed firearms in 1933. 80 million Americans do in 2009. If they come after our guns, they will have to fight millions (not 80 million, because some will cave and turn in their guns; but enough will keep their guns and fight for what America once was, and what they will hope for it to be again).


33 posted on 05/29/2009 11:02:02 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Boucheau

Sounds like you’ll surrender at the drop of a hat.


34 posted on 05/29/2009 11:06:09 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Crim
Go read a comic book.
35 posted on 05/29/2009 11:08:19 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: clee1

Alright, tough guys.

We’ll see.

You’re gonna be awfully lonely there waiting for backup, staring-down assorted para-military.

Once the law is passed YOU will become the fanatics, the loons, the terrorists.

You are picturing a mass uprising when it’ll be more like the ‘97 LA bank robbery.

You’re going down.

It isn’t going to happen like you imagine it will.


36 posted on 05/29/2009 11:10:29 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Boucheau

“I’m a long-time NRA member. I’ve looked closely at how it all happened in other countries.”

yeah...well I’m a certified NRA instructor.....I teach cops wifes to qualify for CCW permits...soldiers wifes to qualify for CCW permits....little old ladies to qualify for CCW permits...

I dont leave my house unarmed...EVER.

I dont just talk the talk..I walk it out and home again...

I have cops and military in my family....if you think they are going to start gunning down civilians ( as in NOT gang bangers or ZETA) your as whacked as the truther freaks...

It’s talk like yours that gets people freaked out who dont know any damn better...

I’ll say it again...they aint gonna do shit.

They CANT do shit...their only option would be to slaughter americans in the streets...who’s gonna do it...Obama’s personal gaurd?

250,000 fantasy people vs 85 Million REAL people?

Aint gonna happen.

It would be a slaughter alright...but it wouldnt be us getting their asses handed to them...

Do you even have a clue why liberal politicans fear Americans MORE than Al Qeada?

Al Qeada cant storm washington and line the streets with corpses hanging from light poles.


37 posted on 05/29/2009 11:11:32 PM PDT by Crim
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To: Danae

Well, whaddya know? Wayne LaPierre was correct twice.

“I’ve come to believe he (Clinton) needs a certain level of violence in this country. He is willing to accept a certain level of killing to further his political agenda. The vice president, too. How else can you explain this dishonesty we get out of the administration?”

Just switch the name..


38 posted on 05/29/2009 11:13:09 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: Boucheau

If a man can say he will shoot before opening that door then he understands his fate.


39 posted on 05/29/2009 11:17:13 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Crim; OneWingedShark
Absolutely. Probably 95%+ of LEOs and military have close friends/family/neighbors who are law-abiding gun owners and they are NOT about to go knocking on doors and see those same friends/family/neighbors get hauled off to jail or in a body bag after a shootout to defend their Constitutional right to bear arms.

Ain't happenin'

40 posted on 05/29/2009 11:18:25 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: ought-six

“Sounds like you’ll surrender at the drop of a hat.”

No, I won’t have to surrender. I won’t be there.

If the American people vote in commie thugs and lose their rights as a result, I’M not taking responsibility for it.

America is/was the greatest country in human history—but it isn’t MY country.

If it was, we certainly wouldn’t be talking about the banning of guns or the labor-rape of Americans.

I’m one man with zero power. If the ignorant masses lose their gun rights to vote for a “cool black man” then as far as I’m concerned they deserve to.

Why would I risk a toenail for a bunch of fools?

I’d risk my life in a heartbeat for freedom.

For socialism/communism/slavery, nothing. Best of luck to everyone else—I’m lookin’ out for mine at that point. That’s all I’ll have time for.


41 posted on 05/29/2009 11:18:45 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Boucheau

“Once the law is passed YOU will become the fanatics, the loons, the terrorists.”

Yep...all 85 million of us...and the cops in my family...and the active duty military in my family..and the vets in my family...my friends and neighbors...

I’ll be in good company.

I notice you used the term “YOU” instead of “WE”....very telling indeed...

You’re spinning fantasy...and I’ll telling you like it is...

You support the troops...until Obama got in office.

I dont fear the troops...I still support them...and they know who supports them...


42 posted on 05/29/2009 11:22:00 PM PDT by Crim
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To: Boucheau

“I’d risk my life in a heartbeat for freedom.”

Which is exactly what we would be fighting for if they came for our guns. The ONLY thing that will keep a tyrannical government in check is an armed citizenry; that’s why the leftist pukes have always wanted to ban guns.


43 posted on 05/29/2009 11:26:50 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Crim

I’m not a “truther”.

I’m a guy who spent his entire young life around guys just like you. Guys who call me best friend. WWII vets, gulf war vets, vietnam vets and iraq/afghanistan vets many of them.

I am descended from quite a few military fighting men.

Again, I’d give it all up for freedom.

I’m not giving 0bama’s ilk anything.

I grew up around many WWII vets and I’ve always feared what would happen when that generation passed-on. Well, what I envisioned has started to happen.

Unless the masses get a clue, and fast, we are finished.

That truth is no less harsh for me than it is anyone. I’m not going deny it, however.


44 posted on 05/29/2009 11:26:55 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Boucheau

“No, I won’t have to surrender. I won’t be there.”

I hear the weather in Canada is wonderful this time of year...better get out while you can...might break a nail...

Check your rights at the border.

I offer you this quote:

“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto


45 posted on 05/29/2009 11:29:02 PM PDT by Crim
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To: Crim

BTW the KID wins. Lefty crap started a long time ago. (Throwing a wrestler at him was pretty damn funny though).


46 posted on 05/29/2009 11:34:14 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Boucheau

I appluad that...but I also come from a LONG line of vets...have family currently serving...and living vets in the family...

American citizen soldiers are NOT going to follow these types of orders....

maybe a few cops would...and a few NG...big deal...

To do what you are saying they would need heavy armor...LOTS of it...air support....artillary fire support...and hundreds of thousand of trained MOTIVATED boots on the ground willing to blow the frak out of anything and everything...kill people and break shit......

Werent you even paying attention to the Iraq war at all?

Iraq is the size of Ohio.


47 posted on 05/29/2009 11:36:18 PM PDT by Crim
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To: Talisker

George Soros is a billionaire. They’re very well funded.

Do not underestimate these people. They most certainly will do anything to get their way.


48 posted on 05/29/2009 11:37:28 PM PDT by wastedyears (Rock and roll ain't worth the name if it don't make ya strut)
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To: Crim

“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto”

Sorry, Crim, but the Admiral was referring to the WWII generation—not the fat, dumb and happy Americans of 2009.

And you can get as ridiculous as you want about Canada, and all that. I didn’t arrive at my beliefs yesterday on a whim. I’m a gun rights activist. But I’m here to tell you that once it happens, once you hear on the radio or see on TV that the ban has been passed, there WILL BE NO UPRISING, FRiend.

Maybe, MAYBE, a skirmish here, or there, but all those gun-owners you talk about will comply.

You, if your warrior-like comments are to be believed, and would be followed-through upon, will be a very small minority of resistors. The paradigm shifts just as soon as the law is passed in the minds of most Americans. Should you provide armed resistance, you will be killed in short order.


49 posted on 05/29/2009 11:38:00 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Boucheau
That is truth and a matter of no organization. You know how fast they quelled the militia's of the early 90’s.
50 posted on 05/29/2009 11:42:57 PM PDT by eyedigress
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