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Posted on 05/29/2009 9:59:05 PM PDT by Danae
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As I've mentioned many times, my screen name was chosen because I lived next door to a compound of fundamentalist islamists from Pakistan. Mosque, madrassa, the works, all in an old Catholic rectory and church in a small rural town in a red state.
Do you honestly believe that 85 million gun-owning Americans would sit still and do nothing if government goons started confiscating guns and shooting their neighbors?
If worse came to worse, and we saw armed troops in our communities, do you honestly believe that this wouldn't provoke a conflagration of armed rebellion across the country?... Get real...
You didn't read thoroughly. I wrote that there would be no need for shooting, and no armed troops would be provoking an armed rebellion. People will give up their guns, on request, mostly; a few will need to be pressured by tax audits and other clever things the govt can do to you without drawing blood. After they're done having fun, holding onto your firearms is the least of your problems. Imagine holding onto your family, your job, your pension, your driver's license, your house, your freedom. Imagine trying to figure out how you're going to pay all those lawyers. Imagine false charges of various nasty crimes, conviction for which entails the loss of reputation, liberty, voting rights, driving privileges --- and firearms.
I could go on. You folks really have no clue at all. I'm sorry, but you really don't.
You still imagine that heavy-handed moves by the government against individual citizens would go un-answered by the broad public. You forget that every person has an innate instinct for self (and group) preservation.
As long as a person can reasonably fight back when cornered, they’ll do so. It’s the law of the jungle.
The only way for things to play out as you’re postulating, is for the government to gradually, and ever so gently ease 200 million guns out of the hands of its citizens. It just ain’t gonna happen.
You have to stop looking at this from your personal view of how you’d react to wholesale gov’t gestapo tactics. Maybe you’d roll over, or run and hide. Most won’t. They’ll stand and fight.
I expected you'd get around to an ad hominem cheapshot. We're therefore done discussing this.
Which states? Gotta link? Thanks
“Hey F*ck You!”
My wife would tell you that this is my favorite response to the assorted a-holes and betas one is apt to stumble upon in day-to-day life.
I’m a scrapper, always have been.
Tens of millions of babies die every year. Effectively murdered by the US government.
And Americans do nothing.
A blatant anti-American, anti-white, hard-left candidate runs for office.
And Americans vote him into office with the help of approximately 20% of “conservatives/republicans” because he is “cool” and black.
Same man fires a CEO, nationalizes banks, targets individual PRIVATE citizens for intimidation...
And Americans do nothing.
Same man shackles with debt/high taxes/lower standard of living the current collection of half-dead Americans, and their offspring for at least 2 or 3 generations, with the largest gov’t spending bill in human history.
Americans!? (sound of crickets and the sound of a “Tea Party” way off in the background)
Same man gives a group called ACORN millions of YOUR tax dollars. Conservatives/Republicans values are diametrically opposed to ACORN yet they are forced to fund their activism/lobbying/agenda.
Americans do nothing.
ACORN ends up with a part to play in the Census, affecting huge amounts of tax dollars, political power/positioning and support of the governments racist policies against whites.
Americans do nothing.
The private sector is assaulted daily. Hundreds of thousands of jobs are lost every month—WHILE GOVERNMENT GROWS—WHILE CIVIL SERVANTS HOLD PROTESTS TO PROTECT THEIR CUSHY JOBS AND CUSHY BENEFITS—benefits that the tax-burdened private sector couldn’t possibly afford.
Americans do nothing.
Government publishes a document referring to conservatives/soldiers/right wing as “potential terror threats”.
Americans do nothing.
and on, and on, and on...
Now, all of you calling me a coward, a traitor—telling me to go back to DU, etc., would have me believe that Americans are going to FIGHT BACK????????????
(insert favorite response)
Do you think I’m a F***IN’ idiot?
Let’s see, now. 40 million babies killed, effectively by the governmnet—nothing done about it.
40 MILLION AMERICANS EVERY YEAR!
Add my travesty short list and you think I’m going to be condident that we would fight for pieces of metal that project smaller pieces of metal?????????
Sorry, I do have my doubts and I certainly did play devil’s advocate in this thread.
Now, you know what I think will happen. What do I want to happen?
I’m with all of you ready to fight back with intelligence and forethought. I’m with all of you ready to lay it all on the line.
I’m probably more of this than most—THAT’S WHY I’M SAYING THESE THINGS.
If I’ve made a few of you angry, fine. I think there are too many FReepers who aren’t enraged and ready to do battle. We are in a fight for our lives and few seem to get it.
They walk out of their front doors and looks around and, “Gee, everything looks like it did before. Everything is just fine—it’s just another election cycle. Pesky liberals.”
NO! It’s not fine. The left is setting us up for a fall.
I can see it plain as day.
Why else would they behave the way they do? Because they patriots? Because they want Americans to prosper? Because they are capitalists?
No! All they want is YOUR PAYCHECK and YOUR PASSIVITY!
All they want is for you to find yet another reason to go home from work, turn on the tube/PC and tune-out.
Christ! The time to fight is NOW and absolutely NOTHING is happening.
And, yet, I’m supposed to feel confident is the robustness of current Americans. I’m told there is a battle cry out there somewhere—I DON’T HEAR A DAMN THING.
You tough guys aren’t doing a damn thing by touting what you will do “if they try to take you guns”. How about some non-violent action NOW? Millions have guns, sure. But they would be far more frightened of you if you could muster some real activism and real resistance.
Hey, tough guys: they’re kicking your a**es big time right now—wiping the floor with you bunch of would-be warrior, big-mouths.
How about using your heads and your activism to make a change NOW...SO AMERICANS DON’T HAVE TO KILL OTHER AMERICANS LATER??
The left has successfully put Americans to sleep—lambs for the slaughter, all of you.
Midnight for freedom is fast approaching.
But don’t take my word for it. For just a moment, consider if I may be on to something.
Oops! The 40 million abortions number is Worldwide.
It’s between 1 and 2 million abortions in America per year.
That concept is spreading thru other states as well...
“If you’re still on American soil, leave, we don’t like traitors. And don’t let the door hit you....If you’re not, why are you on a conservative, pro-America forum like FR? Why don’t you go back to DU where you belong?”
WTF? Are you talking to ME?
I copied and pasted the other persons comments. I just courtesy pinged you because the comments I responded to were ones made to you.
I hope that that makes sense.
“I expected you’d get around to an ad hominem cheapshot. We’re therefore done discussing this.”
There is the roll over and cower attitude. Somebody said something not nice.
"Americans do nothing."
"Americans do nothing."
and on, and on, and on...
Do you think Im a F***IN idiot?
If that's what you think about Americans, in a word, yes.
You are NOT the only one who cares about this country nor are you the only one who does anything.
You don't know what the rest of us do and have no right to paint the whole rest of the country with your bigoted broad brush.
FReepers in particular.
“Christ! The time to fight is NOW and absolutely NOTHING is happening.”
We have to let the system try first. The revolution did not happen over night. The civil war did not happen overnight. Lets wait till 2010 and then 2012 before the bullets start flying. Everything you are saying is a basic slap in the face of the way the founders built this country. They put the elections in place to prevent from happening what you are saying. Obama is gaining a large amount of buyer’s remorse on himself. Dodd’s numbers are down as are Reid’s. We can’t just start flinging lead, but if that time comes, then action must be taken. Before you start saying I didn’t read your post, I did. But thats why we have in place the system we do. If it doesn’t work, vote it out.
“I copied and pasted the other persons comments. I just courtesy pinged you because the comments I responded to were ones made to you. I hope that that makes sense.”
Ahhh, thanks for the clarification.
They won't need to.
They'll turn off the lights.
Shut off the gas.
Stop the trucks and trains.
In winter, in the cities, I give it 48 hours max, before most of the sheep start trickling out, less in the riot zones.
Now, I'm not saying that to demoralize people, but anyone who has fantasies of resistance better wrap their head around the fact that unless there are very large numbers who will stand together, resisting could be a very tough and lonely gig.
If your numbers are that large, spread out, so the bomblets are less effective.
I have little doubt the marxists have infiltrated most groups, if for nothing else than information, and even less they will find ways to squeeze others for what they want.
They have studied the Axis powers, the Stasi, the KGB, the Checka, and every other 'agency' in the past and doubtless added tricks of their own.
They will recall the methodology of the Soviets with the Ukranians, the Turks with the Armenians, Burma, Nanking, Dachau, the Kiling Fields, and every other genocide in history and have the methods adapted already.
Slaves to the right, dead to the left.
They have a limitless budget, and the best technology, ever.
They cannot defeat a determined people, nor overwhelming numbers, but the question is:
"Are you willing, if it comes to it, to pledge YOUR Life, Fortune, and Sacred Honor to the same ends the signers of the Declaration of Independance did?"
Each must look at his/her spouse, family, give the kids a squeeze, look around your home, and decide whether you will risk all for posterity or just try to keep what you have, hoping the crisis will go away.
Are we at that point?
No. Not quite. But we get closer every day and may well get there yet.
Save yourself what may be some time at a critical moment. Think about it now.
Depending on your choices you may want to use the time left to prepare as best you can for whatever may come.
Grow a hide, friend. I haven't attacked you - just your viewpoint.
‘We can’t just start flinging lead...’
Most of those who are blasting me need to read my posts closer.
It would seem you glance over it, rearrange what I’ve said or take it out of context.
READ MY POSTS BEFORE YOU “FLAP YOUR LIPS”!
I NEVER incited violence, in fact I stated REPEATEDLY that the resistance should be non-violent.
I’ll say to you what I’ve said to the sheepish multitudes who are content with ‘waiting’ for the ‘system’ to work:
Their aim is to pervert and corrupt the ‘system’ to the point of uselessness to you, the average American.
The Founders were not supermen. In fact, THEIR DEAD! Reagan is DEAD! WE FIGHT, OR NO ONE FIGHTS!
Who in their right mind can state that the system is getting stronger OR EVEN MAINTAINING over the last 80 years?
The last ten years have been a net loss for freedom and the last four months have been a TOTAL F***IN SHUTOUT!
Hell, we didn’t if show up on the field let alone put up a fight.
Each generation of Americans is charged with the defense our way of life.
Everything else is a just documents, or dead men! WE keep it alive or let it rot and fade away.
The threats against it are ever-present and fighting a fierce battle against it.
We can’t stand behind “the Constitution” it’s a piece of paper with written ideas.
The PARADIGM CAN SHIFT away from one supporting it.
Those on the left, at least many of them, are already prepared to alter it. To many of them it’s an incomplete document full of fallacy and injustice written by power mongering, racist white men.
Were Democrats 30-40 years ago ready and willing to do this? Some were, to be sure, but the number of new and willing “framers” is growing.
Waiting emboldens these people and invites further agression against our system of self-rule.
I can’t believe I’m having to defend this position on Free Republic!
Another excellent post!
“WTF? Are you talking to ME?”
No, the nice poster is calling me a traitor.
The word “mom” is in your nick—have you indeed reproduced?
Let me ask you: do you burn heretics in the front yard, or the back yard?
“READ MY POSTS BEFORE YOU FLAP YOUR LIPS!”
As I’ve stated, I’ve read your posts. You come across as scared and defeatist at points and at others talk about fighting back. You seem to have not figured out history. This is not a 100 Day fight. There are people in this country that are opening their eyes. Thats what elections are for.
“Their aim is to pervert and corrupt the system to the point of uselessness to you, the average American.”
It has not reached that point yet, there are still opportunities(elections) to put people in that will preserve our way of life. If he tries to become dictator for life, that will be another issue that, as of this point, does not need to be addressed.
Those are the only two points I will address. So I pose a question to you. An election just occurred, more elections are set to occurr. People can change their mind as is being seen. Rather than vagueness, give me some points as to what we should be doing.
If a law was passed today there would be only a few people hold out or react with violence toward the enforcers of this unconstitutional law. Hardly any Federal officer, State officer, or local officers would turn in badges, the vast majority would willingly, if not happily, enforce this law using as much violence as necessary. If those officers can't muster enough violence they would then summon military assistance and then they would overcome those hold outs with force.
This has been repeated over and over again through history, we will fare no better. There will be thousands of patriots who would refuse to follow this law, but they would be separated by thousands of miles with millions of opponents between them. No, it won't go well.
I plan on taking a mountain of the bastards with me when they try to take my guns, but I know the vast majority in this country does not have the will to follow. No the sheeple will be sheeple.
If the shoe fits.....
There are two options.
One, you are not a citizen of this country since you say that America is not your country. In which case the label traitor would be inaccurate but the ranting would not be easily explained.
The other is that you are a citizen who has turned his back on this country and his fellow citizens. So with comments by yourself such as...
America is/was the greatest country in human historybut it isnt MY country.
Im one man with zero power. If the ignorant masses lose their gun rights to vote for a cool black man then as far as Im concerned they deserve to.
Why would I risk a toenail for a bunch of fools?
Id risk my life in a heartbeat for freedom.
For socialism/communism/slavery, nothing. Best of luck to everyone elseIm lookin out for mine at that point. Thats all Ill have time for.
Then as far as the descriptive term of traitor, if you don't want to look like one, don't talk like one.
Try decaf sometime.....
Alright, I’ll spell it out for the slow one.
The sentence after this one should have made the meaning of “MY” clear. I said it wasn’t MY country. As in: I don’t own the country.
I’ll stand by this one:
‘If the ignorant masses lose their gun rights to vote for a “cool black man” then as far as I’m concerned they deserve to.’
and this one:
“Why would I risk a toenail for a bunch of fools?”
If the crowds want to be slaves then so be it. WHY on earth would I want to risk something for these people, “Americans”, or not? I’m still not convinced it’s lost cause, but I am starting to wonder.
“I’d risk my life in a heartbeat for freedom.”
“For socialism/communism/slavery, nothing...”
Again, if the dolt masses want “free stuff” over freedom then that’s what they’ll get. I’ll take care of mine and I won’t fuss with the idiots who are comfy sitting back and letting the country fall to pieces.
Oh, and I’ll lay off the caffeine if you’ll venture out from your double-wide and scotch bottle for some fresh air, now and then.
“No the sheeple will be sheeple.”
Back in the day I’d have been with those fired-up patriots ready to kick King George’s *ss!
Even then, a third of the country didn’t want the revolution.
They had the same arguments the “sit and wait”, pansy-*ss conservatives have now.
It’s not hard to see. Just look at how well the left is organized and just how active they are.
“Oh, but we fat, dumb, and happy conservatives don’t do that stuff—that’s for the left—we’re above all that nonsense.”
Well, some “high-roads” end with a cliff and a thousand foot fall.
The left has sword in hand and is slashing at our bellies, inches from disemboweling, and we’re gonna play nice with the nice wittle leftists and kiss the *sses of the minorities and to hell with our principles!
Sorry, I was raised by my Grandparents and I am old-fashioned, I guess.
If someone is attacking me and mine I’m gonna go at them like rabid wolf until they cease and desist, or they reach room temperature.
Oh, yeah, I have a lot of faith in these types on the right.
Makin’ ‘ol McCain proud.
Yeah, elections have done us a whole lotta good recently. Let’s wait for another. The mob won’t let us down this time, no worries.
Remember how Americans reacted to congress the last time the illegal immigration issue came up?
Where’s that reaction now? They’re doing much worse now and most would appear to have hit the bottle of qualudes lest they strain themselves.
THAT’S the VERY LEAST I want to see, since I’ve been asked.
I don’t want blood in the streets. But a whole lotta pissed-off, wild-eyed Americans making themselves heard, in every way they can think of would be nice about now.
What do you think of Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge?
What do you think of Waco?
I wish you luck.
Isolated incidents. Both of which may certainly be classified as nut jobs.
Randy Weaver a 'nut job?'
Do you know the ultimate outcome of this case?
As for passive resistance
I am going to start with flying these flags along with my American flag until America is once again secure.... Or until I am hauled to room 101.
or this one
I get you now. And I agree with you.
I think most do. Even those that are 'attacking' you on FR.
Socialism will not stop on its own. It must be stopped! I loved your point that the Founders are dead and that Reagan is dead.
This is our time!
Washington isn't here for us. Reagan in not here for us.
I have registered for Tea Parties. I will fly revolutionary flags at my home so that other like minded people will know they are not alone and will hopefully take some courage. I will speak out at work and to my neighbors. etc, etc, etc.
I have, lots of money the government put out for priceless lives. No doubt a tragedy. Not minimalizing or trivializing the event, but the guy was discovered at an aryan rally. Not to sound squishy, but that alone makes me question him. I don’t trust the Black Panthers, La Raza, or any of them. Why should I trust a racially motivated group even thought its white and I’m white? Maybe I’m going too simplistic about it, but it was a bad deal all around. And yes I do put more blame on the government.
“I have registered for Tea Parties. I will fly revolutionary flags at my home so that other like minded people will know they are not alone and will hopefully take some courage. I will speak out at work and to my neighbors. etc, etc, etc.”
Those are all great ways too help, much agreed. I think what most of it was that got to me though is his accusations that we are not “fighting back.” Assuming ALL Americans are fat, lazy, and happy and that if push came to shove we would do nothing about it. Now I will give him credit in his saying that he hasn’t given up yet. Most of what he was giving out though was a doom and gloom. The Great Generation was not the Great Generation until they were pushed.
His wife had her head blown off by BATF agent while holding their baby and If I remember correctly his son was killed by other BATF agents, but that wasn't so bad because he attended a Ayran rally?
Weaver had a shotgun that was measured ~2 inches short. Govt wanted Weaver to inform on acquaintances. When he wouldn't they came after him.
You have bought the MSM/govt version of the events. All convictions were reversed on appeal against Weaver. He did NOTHING wrong.
While the BATF was convicted of excessive force or something. But guess whose wife and son were dead?
I agree with the general notions expressed here regarding our gun freedoms. Yet, we have a leftist government with a real hatred for conservatives. While our military in large part may defy the government, many won’t. And these leftist gremlins have control of our tactical nukes! So if a few states decide they won’t go along with our precious president, William Ayres may just get his wish for twenty five million “troublesome” Americans to be killed via nuclear bombs. That’s why Obama acts so smug and confident. He thinks he could gin up support for such a holocaust and actually get folks to go along with it.
I think down deep his attempt is to inspire.
He wants us to fight back.
I am frustrated. Look at your neighbors. Do they care that America is socialists now, heading toward communism?
“but that wasn’t so bad because he attended a Ayran rally?”
Did not say that. I said he was a nutjob, nothing more.
“When he wouldn’t they came after him.”
Yes they did.
“You have bought the MSM/govt version of the events.”
Thanks for the kind words. /s
“While the BATF was convicted of excessive force or something. But guess whose wife and son were dead?”
I know the story, but thanks for the refresher, truly. No sarcasm.
“I am frustrated. Look at your neighbors. Do they care that America is socialists now, heading toward communism?”
No doubt, totally agree. I just think there are more of us out there than he realizes. I can speak for myself, my dad, his next door and across the street neighbors, my best friend, alot of his buddies, two of my uncles I know, and several of the military guys in my neighborhood. Thats just who I know. And this is a liberal area of Texas. Good luck to the Feds in my hometown, or Alabama, Montana, or just about any other red states.
LMAO....That’s some pretty deep shit there....so...how do we know you arent a marxist...sent here to pull some psyops on us ....
“What do you think of Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge?
What do you think of Waco?”
I know those two issues drove McVeigh to bomb a day care without remorse....
“I think down deep his attempt is to inspire.”
Thank you, sir.
Deep down I want to make people think—wake up.
In this video Yuri Bezmenov details how the hard left creates disorientation, confusion, apathy, and a basic feeling of impotence in the masses.
Something eerily similar is happening to Americans right now.
THIS is why I am critical of Americans right now. I have to get on some of them to pull them out of the cloud that the left and the mass media has mezmorized them with.
This is the real deal attack from within.
The war is happening RIGHT NOW.
Our pride (’it can’t happen here’, ‘the next election will take care of it’) will be our downfall.
Your “waiting” for an improvement is where you will remain until that day of shock and awe when you FINALLY realize that your America is gone, dead, history.
The left knows what they’re doing. They have perfected their system.
The only thing that stopped them in the past was the hard-nosed Americans, their knowledge and appreciation of freedom and their system of government, and a homogenous populace.
ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE IN SHORT SUPPLY NOW.
People wake up, or we fall.
THIS IS NO TIME TO WAIT, AMERICANS!!!!!
The confusion, the overwhelming, the demoralizing, the propaganda—it’s all intentional.
The economy is failing BECAUSE THEY WANT IT TO!
Obama is at a Broadway musical while the economy is ON THE BRINK OF TOTAL COLLAPSE.
He’s happy. Haven’t you noticed? Do the ‘Democrats’ seem worried, showing heartfelt concern for America?
Watch the Bezmenov videos. Take note.
Communists are alive and well but they seem ‘gone’, old history, even.
They’re more subterranean now. Pulling levers from below.
Like a slow advancing cancer they are working on our country’s vitals. Not enough to cause pain, or obvious symptoms, but juuuuuust enough to dull your senses a bit while they grow and metastatize to yet more vital parts of our system.
The greatest trick Satan ever pulled was convincing humans he didn’t exist.
While we ‘cringe’ and faint when a talk show host DARES to label someone a socialist or communist, those on the hard-left are rasing a glass to your demise!
While we are slow to even criticize a racist, hard-left Supreme Court nominee, the hard-left winks knowingly to their comrades.
While we sit passively while a SITTING PRESIDENT ousts the CEO of one of our GREATEST COMPANIES (destroyed only by the left) the commies publish articles about their success and the ‘failure’ of capitalism. This would have F***ING ENRAGED the WWII generation, by the way.
Commies stick together (at the outset, anyway). Communists all over the world are hailing the new 0bama administration.
What are we doing about it?
We turn on our PC’s and our TV’s and obvserve from a HUGE DISTANCE. Passively.
Do you think for an instant the the WWII generation would have sat this one out?
Do you suppose they would be ‘waiting’ for the next election while a guy like 0bama nationalizes banks, fires CEO’s, caps salaries, hijacks the Census, gives tax money to radical groups like ACORN and LA RAZA, etc.?
Hell no they wouldn’t have. They’d be steamin’ hot! In the streets and in the faces of their so-called ‘representatives’.
Just imagine, for a moment, what they would have done in response to all that has happened recently.
Now, contrast that with what today’s American is doing—IT’S FRIGHTENING!
Sure, everyone is ready to pound their chests when discussing all the brave, courageous things they will do when the government finally does this, that, or something else.
But, folks, we need some serious action now, or you WILL NOT HAVE RECOURSE LATER.
They will have changed things so much that it will make no sense to you to fight back—you will have already lost everything.
This is how this works.
Do you think that EVERYONE in human history that was a slave/victim to the hard left was some little, passive twirp with no fight in him?
MILLIONS have fallen to the left.
And Americans now believe they cannot fall—A M.O.N.U.M.E.N.T.A.L MISCALCULATION!
So, let’s see, we have oodles of pride COMBINED WITH the gross underestimating of our enemy...
“Do you think for an instant the the WWII generation would have sat this one out?”
They did. It took a great big ordeal, Pearl Harbor, to wake people up. Obviously we haven’t had our Pearl Harbor yet. Lemme ask you this, out of shear curiosity and more-so guidance than anything, what would you have us do?
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