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Democrats wait for tragedy to enact weapon legislation
Examiner.com ^ | 5-29-2009 | Dianna Cotter

Posted on 05/29/2009 9:59:05 PM PDT by Danae

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To: Boucheau

“And Americans now believe they cannot fall—A M.O.N.U.M.E.N.T.A.L MISCALCULATION!”

I agree, but not all of us. There are alot of people that were against Obama too and even more changing their mind about him.


201 posted on 05/31/2009 1:04:20 AM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (All we ask is to be let alone----Jefferson Davis)
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican

No, Americans didn’t want war.

The war was in Europe and they wanted no part of it.

My point is proved by their reaction to Pearl Harbor.

How did we react to 9-11?

We hit two small countries (while we let the left spank us for it here at home) and, with an iron fist, clamped down on the American citizen with the so-called “Patriot Act”.

I answered the question: “what would you have us do” earlier.

Remember the reaction to the illegal immigration issue recently. People practically stormed the offices of the ‘representatives’ in resistance—and they won, at least for that moment.

There is no such resistance now.

There is silence.

The “Tea Party” family picnics were of no real use.

Americans were told they were extremists and had too many white people at their picnics to be considered legitimate.

And even then, Americans let them push this overtly racist misinformation and marginalize the events.

There is NO resistance, FRiend. It simply does not exist.

We have talk show hosts, Fox News, this forum, some family outings in the park (tea parties) and that’s about it.


202 posted on 05/31/2009 1:22:29 AM PDT by Boucheau
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican

“There are alot of people that were against Obama too and even more changing their mind about him.”

I know, but we need many, many more like-minded, proactive people in this fight.

Far too many Americans are under the impression that another election cycle is going to fix this—not a chance in hell.

This is a major bug in the system that has to be rooted out or we will pass-on to our children the pain and suffering that is the only fruit of collectivism.


203 posted on 05/31/2009 1:26:07 AM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Boucheau

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3gwwWbinDA

Here is the link to part 2 of 9.

The others are on the right side under “Related Videos”.


204 posted on 05/31/2009 1:33:24 AM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Boucheau; Crim
Now, these Sheriff’s deputies have families and are determined to go home tonight. They don’t agree with the new law but they aren’t willing to dodge your bullets for it.

No, they won't be willing to dodge bullets for it - They won't even try to enforce it, because they know damn well they will not be going home to their wives and kids if they were to press it.

I would thoroughly expect our governor and our sheriffs throughout the state to instruct state and county officials to ignore such a law as unconstitutional. Not only on the principle of the thing, but on the hope of keeping the peace with the citizenry.

I swear, y'all must be in a city somewhere.

Not only would they have difficulty taking LA or Chicago (thy'd have to starve them out, which is possible), they could not begin to take the Blue Ridge Mtns, not to mention Texas or the whole South... And the swamps, the deserts, the Rockies and AK will NEVER fall.

You must be outta your mind.

205 posted on 05/31/2009 2:12:52 AM PDT by roamer_1 (It takes a (Kenyan) village to raise an idiot.)
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To: roamer_1

“You must be outta your mind.”

Thanks, I’ve been called much worse on this thread—how refreshing is your mild insult.


206 posted on 05/31/2009 2:18:18 AM PDT by Boucheau
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To: eyedigress
My mention of the militia factions of the early 90’s shows that

Do you think they are gone? Do you think they were "crushed"?

207 posted on 05/31/2009 2:20:33 AM PDT by roamer_1 (It takes a (Kenyan) village to raise an idiot.)
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To: Boucheau
The key there is “many”. I have a few buds that are cops and I hear tell the younger crop of cops is a quite a bit more big-government friendly. I also hear tell that the number of cops that would provide outright resistance to a gun-ban is dwindling. Affirmative action and blue cities having much to do with the weighting of the numbers, to be certain.

Cops in "blue cities" versus rural sheriffs or rural city cops are two entirely different things.

Do you live in a major city somewhere? is that what shades your opinion?

208 posted on 05/31/2009 2:33:51 AM PDT by roamer_1 (It takes a (Kenyan) village to raise an idiot.)
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To: Boucheau
Thanks, I’ve been called much worse on this thread—how refreshing is your mild insult.

I don't mean it as an insult (sorry for that), more a matter of incredulity.

I live in a state where the average home has 7 guns... If y'all think Montanans are gonna just roll over and play nice, you've got another think comin'. To suggest it simply boggles the mind.

I assure you, I am *not* a right-wing fringer (on this issue anyway). The VAST majority of Montanans would vote to secede rather than give up one single pistol. Guns are such a part of the fabric of life here that it is absolutely unthinkable.

Now, It may be different where you are, But everywhere I go, up and down these Rockies, guns are hanging in the gunracks in pickup trucks... If you are a guest in a friend's home, he invariably will show off his gun collection, which is always of some size. A good portion of folks load their own rounds, and have enough rounds laid up to start a small war by themselves.

And I don't think you have the foggiest idea of just how big these Rockies are - I can get in my truck and drive twenty miles to the end of the pavement, seventy miles to the end of the gravel, and then walk another 15 days to get to the Continental divide - All of it on edge and timbered. And if I go over the hump, there is just as much on the other side. And I live pretty close up on the western side of the divide- There's way more where that comes from heading westward, or north, or south. It is a hard, hard land that I know well. Nobody is going to find me if I light a shuck for the tall timber.

Do you have any idea how big the Missouri Breaks are, and how many people could disappear in there? Or the Badlands? Any one of the ol' boys I know could walk up in there with a bow and a knife and provide for himself and his own, not to mention having stores and guns along.

And while they are less likely to have big iron in the plains and deserts, and tend more toward varmint guns and shotguns, it is very much the same there, and throughout the South.

Even in the middle of blue Chicago, where I was born, there are uncountable weapons in the hands of otherwise law abiding citizens, that the government has no idea are even there.

I HIGHLY doubt that this nation will hand in it's guns. Even as I highly doubt that any political remedy will be found.

209 posted on 05/31/2009 3:46:29 AM PDT by roamer_1 (It takes a (Kenyan) village to raise an idiot.)
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To: Boucheau
When I saw reports of Bosnia, I decided that I would die fighting rather than have thugs drag my husband and sons dragged out of the house, into the street and murdered.

Regarding Rwanda, If any group of barbarians comes at me and my family with machetes, I swear before God Himself that I will send as many of these vermin straight to hell that I can.

210 posted on 05/31/2009 4:07:38 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Danae

Sung to the tune of the early 60’s song about the crazy guy: They’re coming to take them away, Ha-Ha! They’re coming to take them away!


211 posted on 05/31/2009 4:50:39 AM PDT by 2harddrive (then)
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To: Boucheau

“I’m lookin’ out for mine at that point. That’s all I’ll have time for.”

Coward.


212 posted on 05/31/2009 6:43:43 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: CodeToad; Boucheau
“I’m lookin’ out for mine at that point. That’s all I’ll have time for.”

I suspect that at 'that point' you'll be looking out form 'yours' also. 'Mine' includes a wife and 7 children. Some animals, family and neighbors. Some how we have to stick together or we'll hang separately.

213 posted on 05/31/2009 7:02:51 AM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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To: roamer_1; Boucheau
"Do you have any idea how big the Missouri Breaks are, and how many people could disappear in there? Or the Badlands? Any one of the ol' boys I know could walk up in there with a bow and a knife and provide for himself and his own, not to mention having stores and guns along.

Sorry, but I am not interested in disappearing into the Badlands or providing for my family with a knife.

I want to be Free.

214 posted on 05/31/2009 7:55:48 AM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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To: Boucheau
Same man gives a group called ACORN millions of YOUR tax dollars.

I wish it was just millions. It was billions B, BILLIONS!

215 posted on 05/31/2009 8:01:48 AM PDT by houeto (Defang the FEDGOV. Repeal the 17th!)
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To: mdmathis6

You seriously need to read my third book, out just a few weeks. Your reply reads like it was lifted from it.


216 posted on 05/31/2009 8:09:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Boucheau
I’ll say to you what I’ve said to the sheepish multitudes who are content with ‘waiting’ for the ‘system’ to work:

...and what is it that Boucheau has done to fight this non-violent war?

217 posted on 05/31/2009 8:25:54 AM PDT by houeto (Defang the FEDGOV. Repeal the 17th!)
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To: GreyMountainReagan

“Some how we have to stick together or we’ll hang separately.”

People who think they will just run to the hills, country be damned, are of no use to me. This is a country and either someone fights for their country, using peaceful means today and all the way through firing shots tomorrow if need be, or they might as well not exist.

Somehow, I think anyone running to the hills will find themselves isolated and without their needs being met and dying alone. Anyone who even remotely thinks about survival realizes they cannot without the help of others.


218 posted on 05/31/2009 8:31:23 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: GreyMountainReagan

The “position” he is defeneding begins with the premis that out citizen soldiers...our sons, our daughters, our nephews and nieces, our neighbors children, or cousins, our uncles, our aunts.....will all decide to say screw my oath and start kicking in doors for their supposed new master Obambi...

I cant believe that position even belongs of FR...much less needs to be defended....

as I said...it’s simply the same crap I’ve had to counter from the moonbats for the last 8 years....just the other side of the coin...I was pretty surprised to see such conspiracy theories pop right up again as soon as we lost an election...

As I said....the desire for liberals to disarm you, and having the will or the means to actually do it....are entirely different matters....


219 posted on 05/31/2009 8:35:23 AM PDT by Crim
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To: American_Centurion
but I know the vast majority in this country does not have the will to follow.

Then you're in the wrong neck of the woods. My county sheriff, whom I was just chatting with last week, would deputize hundreds and tell the fedgov to leave or perish.

220 posted on 05/31/2009 8:40:20 AM PDT by houeto (Defang the FEDGOV. Repeal the 17th!)
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To: Boucheau
They had the same arguments the “sit and wait”, pansy-*ss conservatives have now.

Who, exactly, are you calling pansy-assed?

221 posted on 05/31/2009 8:51:40 AM PDT by houeto (Defang the FEDGOV. Repeal the 17th!)
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To: Boucheau
I’m one man with zero power.

There's your problem in a nutshell. You think you have no power. Do you have ANY idea how dangerous an intelligent, motivated criminal can be?

Most criminals are stupid. The really motivated and smart ones? Those are cops' nightmare opponents.

222 posted on 05/31/2009 11:26:31 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (We either Free America ourselves, or it is midnight for humanity for a thousand years.)
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To: Danae

George Tiller’s been killed in Wichita. Predictions on how long it’ll take for the “grave-dancers” to come out in force?


223 posted on 05/31/2009 12:47:49 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: CodeToad

You didn’t read all that I wrote, Toad. Or, at least your education level prevented you from comprehending it all.

Don’t fret, though, there are many here on FR that have trouble with reading comprehension—you’re certainly not alone.

They don’t/can’t read it but they have STRONG opinions about that which they don’t fully grasp. Now, I’m guilty of mis-reading something on occasion, like any human. The difference is that I don’t start name calling like the arrogant ignorant are apt to do.

As for the “Coward” label, you can stick that up your *ss.


224 posted on 05/31/2009 3:43:19 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: houeto

I don’t doubt you. Our sheriff would likely do the same. However, hundreds vs an armored Co. or Bn. or Bde. ? If the county you live in has the will, then ultimately it will follow that you will face a Bn. or Bde. maybe with the support of a county next to you, but its likely most will fold to the will of the Feds.

I’m with you on fighting, but it won’t be won standing toe to toe with the bastards, it will take a decade of insurgency, IF we survive that long.


225 posted on 05/31/2009 3:47:52 PM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: Boucheau

“As for the “Coward” label, you can stick that up your *ss.”

You might have a thing for other men’s asses but what else do we expect from a cut-n-run coward. The rest of us will leave other people’s asses alone and continue to do what we can for liberty.


226 posted on 05/31/2009 4:33:37 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: CodeToad

Wow!

I bet you’re years beyond your wise.


227 posted on 05/31/2009 4:54:37 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Boucheau
They WILL NOT wait for the people to vote away their power in 2010—it ain’t happening that way, folks.

That's what I've been saying since this began. Who actually thinks there will be a "fair" electon in 2010? It seems many of us are asleep and have not read their history about communists and how it works. Nothing has been hidden from us at all, in plain view, I am amazed at the willful blindness.

228 posted on 05/31/2009 6:03:59 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: Danae
MURDER IS EVIL


229 posted on 05/31/2009 6:38:13 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: Boucheau

They WILL NOT wait for the people to vote away their power in 2010—it ain’t happening that way, folks.

I've been thinking the very same thing. What leaves me puzzled is immigration reform. They need it to turn the U.S. into a one party system. What are they waiting for? Or, do they think they can fix the election with Acorn's help?

230 posted on 05/31/2009 7:52:18 PM PDT by m1xram
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To: m1xram

“What are they waiting for?”

They’re not waiting, it’s being moved forward behind the scenes.

This is the quiet before the storm.

The big “events” need to take place first.

We’re not yet pliable enough.

They’re working on it as we speak, make no mistake about it.


231 posted on 05/31/2009 8:05:54 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: bdeaner; Admin Moderator

Why would you be posting off-topic pics on this thread? This is NOT an anti-abortion thread. If you must post pics, please put them on the proper thread. Thanks.


232 posted on 05/31/2009 8:43:35 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: bdeaner

And it’s in poor taste ESPECIALLY today when someone did in the baby-killer. The anti-life crowd is going to jump all over stuff like this now. You should know better. It matters not HOW passionate you are about being pro-life, it’s not appropriate on this thread or today, of all days. And I say that as one who is as passionate about life as anyone. You do not hand your enemies a hammer with which to hit you over the head.


233 posted on 05/31/2009 8:49:05 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: dcwusmc
The post says "Murder is Evil." Obviously, that includes the murder of Tiller, as well as the many unborn who have died of abortion, many of them at his hand.

I do not apologize for the content of the post. But I do apologize for mistakenly posting it on this thread--that was not my intention. It was meant for another thread, but I accidently posted it here.
234 posted on 05/31/2009 8:55:05 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: dcwusmc
The post says "Murder is Evil." Obviously, that includes the murder of Tiller, as well as the many unborn who have died of abortion, many of them at his hand.

I do not apologize for the content of the post. But I do apologize for mistakenly posting it on this thread--that was not my intention. It was meant for another thread, but I accidently posted it here.
235 posted on 05/31/2009 8:55:07 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: GreyMountainReagan
Sorry, but I am not interested in disappearing into the Badlands or providing for my family with a knife.

I want to be Free.

Me too. That was not my over all point. I was attempting to speak to how big this land is, and to how hardy her people are.

To take her by force is nigh on impossible, IMHO. And to imagine her people, at least those in the rural areas would simply roll over without a fight is beyond the pale.

236 posted on 05/31/2009 9:04:52 PM PDT by roamer_1 (It takes a (Kenyan) village to raise an idiot.)
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To: bdeaner

No problem. It is appropriate to other threads... but not this one, for sure.


237 posted on 05/31/2009 9:09:09 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Travis McGee

The human heart can generate much evil and there are plenty of examples in history of barbaric treatments of whole populaces who might be opposed to a tyrant. The only way such populaces get any freedom is to bare teeth for teeth! It can be easy to extrapolate future events from past behaviours of communist regimes and other historic tyrannies!

The World itself fears that with American sophistication in land, air and space that the U.S. shall become a kind of Uber Roman empire. I still remember Biden’s debate speach where he spoke of the use of American troops sent all over the world to quell many of the Somali types of ethnic cleansing, of course in conjunction with some type of UN aegis!


238 posted on 06/01/2009 4:13:23 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Travis McGee

“Your reply reads like it was lifted from it.”

I promise I wasn’t looking over your shoulder!


239 posted on 06/01/2009 4:14:17 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Crim; Smokin' Joe

Exactly - misplaced hysteria. This whole “FMCDH” thing is a self-serving willfull paranoia. “Paranoia: the belief that someone cares.” Ditto the “they’ll shut down the grid & smoke you out” type scenarios are equally hysteria. They don’t actually care about you that much to bother with that method. They’ve learned; they know they’re hugely outnumbered; they won’t try any head-on tactics.

What they’ll do is stifle sales. There are, really, very few such manufacturers in this country. Barrels, primers, and shells are the bottleneck - make it hard, very hard, very expensive (but still legal!) to get them, and the market supply will evaporate over time. HR45 is their next key move: license the heck out of everything, making most (who don’t care THAT much) eventually give up out of mere annoyance, and make the rest (”FMCDH”) into criminals who can be eradicated one-by-one over time.

Remember the whole AWB fiasco? Yeah, it evaporated after 10 years. There was a lesson in there: nearly everyone complied. There was a lot of sound and fury, which signified nothing.

They’re not stupid. They know the score. They know the game. And they know they’ll lose head-on. They know YOUR weak points. They won’t do anything sudden, they’ll just raise the temperature until you cook.


240 posted on 06/01/2009 6:27:12 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: Danae

FYI, there is no NEED for the Supremes to consider 2nd Amendment “Incorporation”! FACT: The 2nd Amendment is SELF-incorporated to all government entities at every level. It is MORE ABSOLUTE than the 1st Amendment, or any of the others, because the wording forbids not only CONGRESS, but ANYONE from infringing on it. The 1st says “Congress shall make no law...”. The 2nd say “shall NOT be infringed!” Period! End of debate!


241 posted on 06/05/2009 11:04:40 AM PDT by 2harddrive (then)
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