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Assisted suicide foe dies of ALS
KING5.com ^ | 5/26/09 | KING5.com

Posted on 05/30/2009 11:54:33 AM PDT by wagglebee

A man who was featured in ads and on TV opposing Washington state’s assisted suicide Iniative 1000 died of ALS last week.

The group True Compassion Advocates says John Peyton died at home on Thursday, the same day Linda Fleming of Sequim woman became the first person to die under the "Death with Dignity" law.

Eileen Geller, president of True Compassion Advocates, a group that was against the law, called Peyton a hero in life and in death.

“He showed us how to live with real dignity and die naturally and comfortably. He literally gave his last breaths to advocate for those at risk for assisted suicide. John Peyton demonstrates what I have seen in thousands of dying patients over 25 years working as a hospice nurse - that no one needs to die in pain or uncomfortably, and that people with life-limiting illnesses need competent, supportive care, not lethal drugs."

Voters approved the assisted suicide law in November by a nearly 60 percent vote, making Washington the second state to have a voter-approved assisted suicide law. It is based on a law adopted by Oregon voters in 1997.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Washington
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“He showed us how to live with real dignity and die naturally and comfortably. He literally gave his last breaths to advocate for those at risk for assisted suicide."

And that is true dignity.

1 posted on 05/30/2009 11:54:33 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 05/30/2009 11:54:59 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 05/30/2009 11:55:25 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: sionnsar

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4 posted on 05/30/2009 11:55:55 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
And that is true dignity.

It's a point of view. An opinion. Nothing more.

5 posted on 05/30/2009 11:57:04 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: wagglebee

What an awful way to go.


6 posted on 05/30/2009 11:57:44 AM PDT by riri
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To: Glenn

So, in your opinion, a person who has lived a life of total indignity can somehow acquire dignity if they die a certain way?


7 posted on 05/30/2009 11:58:43 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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8 posted on 05/30/2009 11:58:48 AM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5(SONY)|"Also sprach Telethustra"-NonValueAdded|Lk21:36)
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To: wagglebee
So, in your opinion, a person who has lived a life of total indignity can somehow acquire dignity if they die a certain way?

Quite the leap of logic. Hope you didn't tear anything important.

9 posted on 05/30/2009 12:00:35 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Glenn

How is that a leap? Is dignity found in the way a person lives or the way a person dies?


10 posted on 05/30/2009 12:01:32 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Is dignity found in the way a person lives or the way a person dies?

Why do you find them mutually exclusive? Both offer opportunities, eh?

11 posted on 05/30/2009 12:03:11 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Glenn

Because they ARE mutually exclusive. What is the “opportunity” in death if it’s not to demonstrate the dignity of facing EXACTLY what God intended for us?


12 posted on 05/30/2009 12:04:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Because they ARE mutually exclusive.

When you use the word 'or' in an argument, it indicates mutual exclusivity, grasshopper.

13 posted on 05/30/2009 12:06:43 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: wagglebee

Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon him.


14 posted on 05/30/2009 12:08:42 PM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA or lose reelection)
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To: Glenn
When you use the word 'or' in an argument, it indicates mutual exclusivity,

Yes, I said they are.

15 posted on 05/30/2009 12:08:47 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Yes, I said they are.

Right. You did.

Death is death. It's messy. It's exact. Well defined. Every man is destined to suffer it.

Men, being men, have an opinion about it.

For me, I think a choice about it is as natural as breathing.

Let me ask this. If a warrior on the battlefield charges forward, knowing the result will most likely be his death, do you have an ill opinion about the lad?

16 posted on 05/30/2009 12:12:34 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Glenn
Let me ask this. If a warrior on the battlefield charges forward, knowing the result will most likely be his death, do you have an ill opinion about the lad?

Absolutely not.

17 posted on 05/30/2009 12:13:30 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: riri
“He showed us how to live with real dignity and die naturally and comfortably."

That's a much better way to go than the one he heroically fought against.

18 posted on 05/30/2009 12:17:56 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Fight the bastards or perish! ~ Jim Robinson ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

Prov. 26:1 As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, so honour is not seemly for a fool.


19 posted on 05/30/2009 12:22:44 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Fight the bastards or perish! ~ Jim Robinson ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

I have decided I will not fade away with ALS, if I get it, and I won’t be anybody’s burden. It’s my decision to make, nobody elses.


20 posted on 05/30/2009 12:25:15 PM PDT by balls
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To: balls

Include Alzheimer’s and MS (which I have) in my post.


21 posted on 05/30/2009 12:29:32 PM PDT by balls
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To: BykrBayb

What could be more noble than fighting to protect innocent life
from the vultures who seek to destroy?

“The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.”
John 10:10

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends”
John 15:13


22 posted on 05/30/2009 12:43:36 PM PDT by Lesforlife
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To: Lesforlife

I’m afraid many a fool will misinterpret that second passage to mean that people should commit suicide to avoid being a burden to their families.


23 posted on 05/30/2009 12:47:24 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Fight the bastards or perish! ~ Jim Robinson ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

RIP.


24 posted on 05/30/2009 12:48:59 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Lesforlife

I guess I should have read further down the thread before replying.


25 posted on 05/30/2009 12:52:59 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Fight the bastards or perish! ~ Jim Robinson ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

You act surprised.


26 posted on 05/30/2009 1:03:54 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: balls

At the beginning of your life, you were helpless, and a burden to everyone, yet you didn’t feel ashamed of it. Babies feel pretty good about themselves, and well they should. As someone who has loved and cared for a dying person, I feel grateful that she and our family had a chance to transition gradually. The people you do not want to be a burden to may, in the big picture, consider it an honor and a blessing to be able to love you and care for you.


27 posted on 05/30/2009 1:07:15 PM PDT by married21
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To: wagglebee

I thought I was supposed to act surprised.


28 posted on 05/30/2009 1:18:28 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Fight the bastards or perish! ~ Jim Robinson ~ Þ)
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To: married21

I can’t imagine having to explain to the rest of the family that one of our relatives committed suicide. Talk about a burden!


29 posted on 05/30/2009 1:20:25 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Fight the bastards or perish! ~ Jim Robinson ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

No, we are only supposed to act surprised when we are called Nazis for OPPOSING an agenda that is identical to Hitler’s.


30 posted on 05/30/2009 1:21:30 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Identical? I thought Hitler required more doctors to sign off on it than we do. Didn’t we streamline the process a bit more than Hitler?


31 posted on 05/30/2009 1:24:05 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Fight the bastards or perish! ~ Jim Robinson ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

You might be right. Are there any cases when Nazi doctors actually refused to kill someone?


32 posted on 05/30/2009 1:27:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I don’t personally know of such cases, but I have read that there were plenty of doctors who declined to get involved in the killing, and they were not penalized.


33 posted on 05/30/2009 1:30:36 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Fight the bastards or perish! ~ Jim Robinson ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

Interesting, Zero will certainly seek to circumvent this flaw.


34 posted on 05/30/2009 1:31:40 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: married21
At the beginning of your life, you were helpless, and a burden to everyone, yet you didn’t feel ashamed of it. Babies feel pretty good about themselves, and well they should. As someone who has loved and cared for a dying person, I feel grateful that she and our family had a chance to transition gradually. The people you do not want to be a burden to may, in the big picture, consider it an honor and a blessing to be able to love you and care for you.

I don't think I've ever read it put more poignantly than this. I wonder if people who feel they may be a burden somewhere down the line have actually asked those who would be relied on for the care if THEY feel it a burden?

35 posted on 05/30/2009 1:37:10 PM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Glenn; wagglebee
If a warrior on the battlefield charges forward, knowing the result will most likely be his death, do you have an ill opinion about the lad?

I hope you don't think you're being original.

Indeed, from the time of Jost, war had been invoked by advocates of direct medical killing. The argument went that the best young men died in war, causing a loss to the Volk (or to any society) of the best available genes. The genes of those who did not fight (the worst genes) then proliferated freely, accelerating biological and cultural degeneration. ~ THE NAZI DOCTORS: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide ~ Robert J. Lifton

36 posted on 05/30/2009 1:45:32 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Fight the bastards or perish! ~ Jim Robinson ~ Þ)
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To: balls

Judge not that ye be not judged. Matthew 7:1

As the father of someone who chose to take her own life I am dealing with the after-effects of her decision. Do I wish she had made a different choice? Only every waking moment of every single day. Do I think she took the “easy way out”? No, but I do believe that the choice was slightly less horrible to her than the demons that tortured her. Do I think less of her or believe she died without dignity. Absolutely not.

Is it my place to judge her, you, or the ones who would look down their noses at you? No, it isn’t my place.

You know that actions have consequences, and that those consequences often manifest themselves in unanticipated ways. Choose wisely and go with God.


37 posted on 05/30/2009 1:48:12 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: balls; wagglebee

I hope you intend not to take the medical profession down with you.


38 posted on 05/30/2009 2:05:52 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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40 posted on 05/30/2009 3:59:41 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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It’s dignity because of the value of human life, which is being degraded by the liberal mindset that man is just a bunch of chemicals that evolved from pond scum and is nothing more than so much compost.

It dignity because it recognizes the value of life, that man is made in the image of God and is not just some useless eater which has a duty to die so it stops wasting resources for the rest of the purposeless sacks of chemicals to use.


41 posted on 05/30/2009 4:04:48 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Let me ask this. If a warrior on the battlefield charges forward, knowing the result will most likely be his death, do you have an ill opinion about the lad?

But not guaranteed.

There's a difference between someone fighting for our freedom, who has a chance to live, and doing away with those who someone has deemed unworthy of life.

Human life is valuable and not to be heartlessly discarded like an old shoe.

The problem the right to die advocates fail to see, is that when they propose this for the *terminally ill* which is no guarantee either, the definition becomes more and more mushy, like we see happening over in England and Europe.

There's always the chance for remission, which we don't know whether or not is going to occur to someone, so if we kill them off, we could be depriving them of many more years of life.

Where do we stop in determining who should live and who has a duty to die?

42 posted on 05/30/2009 4:14:58 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: married21

Great point.


43 posted on 05/30/2009 4:18:00 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: BykrBayb
That's a much better way to go than the one he heroically fought against.

Really? Have you ever seen anyone die of ALS? There muscles go, usually their legs and feet first, over a period of years, gradually everything becomes paralyzed and they can't even speak and eventually they stop breathing, in other words they suffocate to death. They face a long period of time when they can't talk or move and they look at you and you know they are in there, but they can't communicate. It is a horrible way to die and if this guy wanted to go that way, fine, that is his business.

Others however, may choose not to suffer that way and decide to die before it gets to that point, it is their right to do so, and no business of anyone else.

44 posted on 05/30/2009 5:32:09 PM PDT by calex59
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Others however, may choose not to suffer that way and decide to die before it gets to that point, it is their right to do so, and no business of anyone else.

Death is NEVER pleasant, but it is a part of life and life (all of it from conception through death) is God's gift to us. He has made it perfectly clear under what circumstances life can be taken and illness is not one of them.

45 posted on 05/30/2009 6:17:18 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: calex59
Have you ever seen anyone die of ALS?

Here's one of the preferred methods of the death with "dignity" (notice the quotes, as in not really) crowd.

So please don't tell me that palliative care is worse.

46 posted on 05/30/2009 6:17:55 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Fight the bastards or perish! ~ Jim Robinson ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

What is this picture?


47 posted on 05/30/2009 6:19:12 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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Death by starvation/ dehydration.


48 posted on 05/30/2009 6:20:44 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Fight the bastards or perish! ~ Jim Robinson ~ Þ)
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Pinged from Terri Dailies


49 posted on 05/30/2009 6:31:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: calex59

The way I read the headline he did die of ALS.


50 posted on 05/30/2009 6:44:31 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries for the American farmer.)
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