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Barack Obama’s grandfather ate Polish missionary, ministers in Poland joke
www.funreports.com ^ | November 19, 2008 | Not Indicated

Posted on 05/31/2009 5:53:14 AM PDT by sevinufnine

“Why does Barack Obama have Polish roots? Because his grandfather ate a Polish missionary.” This is the joke that Sikorski supposedly distributed in his ministry.

(Excerpt) Read more at funreports.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: africa; bhoafrica; cannibal; grandfather; kenya; missionary; obama; obamafamily
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Even the Polish...who have been the brunt of many a joke...find no issue joking about Obama.
1 posted on 05/31/2009 5:53:14 AM PDT by sevinufnine
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2 posted on 05/31/2009 5:54:34 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: sevinufnine

0bama IS a joke!


3 posted on 05/31/2009 5:55:18 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("If Dick Cheney is Darth Vader, then Barack Obama is Jar-Jar Binks!")
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To: Slings and Arrows

Sadly, it’s WORSE than that. He knows exactly what he is doing...calling him the “chosen one” isn’t such a joke. He was put into the White House with $$$ behind him from who knows where to accomplish exactly what he’s doing to America.


4 posted on 05/31/2009 5:58:52 AM PDT by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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B"Mmm. Granny's missionary stew. Good!"

5 posted on 05/31/2009 5:58:57 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholics voted based upon the teachings of the church, there would be no abortion and no Obomba.)
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To: sevinufnine

6 posted on 05/31/2009 6:06:45 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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"Mmm. Granny's missionary stew. Good!"

YUM YUM, EAT EM UP!

Oh, no, That was Obama's Uncle George.

7 posted on 05/31/2009 6:08:21 AM PDT by trickyricky
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To: sevinufnine

8 posted on 05/31/2009 6:08:59 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: sevinufnine

What a racist joke. Sheesh. They should just stick to the facts.

More likely, given his past, his grandfather probably sold the missionaries as slaves.


9 posted on 05/31/2009 6:10:11 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: sevinufnine

10 posted on 05/31/2009 6:10:22 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: sevinufnine

Missionaries and Cannibals description:

In this game you need to move the missionaries and the cannibals to the opposite shore by using a boat.

In this game you need to move the missionaries and the cannibals to the opposite shore by using a boat. The boat cannot move by itself, and it cannot hold more than 2 passengers.

When there are more cannibals than missionaries on one side, the cannibals will eat the missionaries! Hurry up! Lunch time is almost here...!!!

http://games.softpedia.com/get/Freeware-Games/Missionaries-and-Cannibals.shtml

11 posted on 05/31/2009 6:19:29 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: sevinufnine
"He also wrote poems attacking traditional Christianity and the work of Christian missionaries"

From Accuracy In Media | AIM.ORG

Obama’s Red Mentor Praised Red Army
AIM Report | By Cliff Kincaid | April 30, 2008


Frank Marshall Davis

Barack Obama’s childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA (CPUSA), wrote a poem dedicated to the Soviet Red Army. “Smash on, victory-eating Red Army,” he declared. He also wrote poems attacking traditional Christianity and the work of Christian missionaries.

The “Red Army” poem goes beyond hoping for the communists to beat the Nazis in World War II and hails the Soviet revolution. It says:

Show the marveling multitudes
Americans, British, all your allied brothers
How strong you are
How great you are
How your young tree of new unity
Planted twenty-five years ago
Bears today the golden fruit of victory!

http://www.aim.org/aim-report/obamas-red-mentor-praised-red-army/
_______________________________________________

Barack Obama, from Dreams from My Father, Three Rivers Press, New York, Revised Edition, 2004, ISBN 1-4000-8277-3, p. 76-7:
"But by the time I met Frank [Frank Marshall Davis] he must have been pushing eighty, with a big, dewlapped face and an ill-kempt gray Afro that made him look like an old, shaggy-maned lion. He would read us his poetry whenever we stopped by his house, sharing whiskey with Gramps out of an emptied jelly jar."

12 posted on 05/31/2009 6:24:42 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: sevinufnine
Photobucket

13 posted on 05/31/2009 6:50:56 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: ETL
Photobucket

14 posted on 05/31/2009 6:51:20 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: trickyricky

Ah, the Little Rascals/Our Gang. Good times!


15 posted on 05/31/2009 6:57:20 AM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: Slings and Arrows

I just found out that the Messiah played Golf on Memorial Day and demanded that no pictures be taken, I’m not going to put in print what I’m thinking.


16 posted on 05/31/2009 7:11:54 AM PDT by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Polish National Anthem
17 posted on 05/31/2009 7:28:36 AM PDT by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: sevinufnine
The only native black Kenyans during Obama’s father's time who were known for cannibalism were the Chinese Marxist Mau Mau mass murderers. "ROOTS"
18 posted on 05/31/2009 7:30:32 AM PDT by Happy Rain (From the concentration camps to America come the dying conservative cries of "We told you so!")
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To: Poe White Trash
Obama's Uncle George


19 posted on 05/31/2009 8:34:12 AM PDT by trickyricky
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To: sevinufnine

I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there.


20 posted on 05/31/2009 8:39:20 AM PDT by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: trickyricky; Dick Bachert

Are you guys trying to make it easy for the left to claim that Free Republic is a racist hate site?


21 posted on 05/31/2009 9:22:31 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: ETL

The guys in your picture look like they are from New Guinea, not Africa.


22 posted on 05/31/2009 9:24:55 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: sevinufnine
Even the Polish...who have been the brunt of many a joke...find no issue joking about Obama.

Yes, and they wound up sounding mighty racist in the process and wound up with a lawsuit against them in Poland over it (read the whole article). There is plenty to joke about over the Obamas that have nothing to do with race and won't make conservatives look like the knuckle-dragging racists the left claims we are.

23 posted on 05/31/2009 9:31:52 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

He freely ADMITS that his daddy was KENYAN.

Please tell me what’s RACIST about that???

Suggest you send a long, thoughtful letter to Zero and Sotomayor. They’re the racists.


24 posted on 05/31/2009 10:15:55 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Question_Assumptions

This story comes from a Russian website, I’d take it with a grain of salt.


25 posted on 05/31/2009 10:41:24 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: Question_Assumptions
Lighten up.

I'm sure Obama believes in calling a spade a spade.

26 posted on 05/31/2009 11:17:00 AM PDT by trickyricky
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To: Dick Bachert
And all Kenyans are cannibals? Are you really claiming that the one follows the other? This is a picture from Life Magazine of a Japanese soldier's skull that was defleshed and sent home as a trophy by a white American soldier during WW2:

Arizona war worker writes her Navy boyfriend a thank-you note for the Jap skull he sent her. This skull of a Japanese soldier bears the inscription: "Here is a good Jap -- a dead one!" Life Magazine, May 22 1944 .

Does that make all white Americans head hunters or mean that everyone who had a parent or grandparent that fought in WW2 the descendants of head hunters? Would you like me to talk about what the ancestors of most white Americans were up to in pre-Christian Europe, including human sacrifices and head hunting, too?

27 posted on 05/31/2009 11:29:25 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: trickyricky

Yes, very clever. Keep digging the hole deeper with that spade.


28 posted on 05/31/2009 11:32:47 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: dfwgator
I'm less concerned by the story than the way people respond to these types of threads here. And don't think the left doesn't watch sites like Free Republic. Jerome Corsci found out that they do the hard way.
29 posted on 05/31/2009 11:36:33 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
"Keep digging the hole deeper with that spade."

Sounds like I'm on your "black-list".

30 posted on 05/31/2009 11:50:42 AM PDT by trickyricky
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To: trickyricky

What I think is not the issue, nor is whether you are actually racist or not. That threads like this can be used by left-wing web sites and groups to paint Free Republic as a racist web site and get it “black-listed” on major web filters as a “hate site” that will make it unavailable to children and people at work is the issue. It’s the same thing that if you want to convince people that gun owners are responsible and save, you don’t do that by standing outside of your house shouting like a maniac waving a gun around. Even if it’s unloaded, you never hurt anyone, and it was only a joke, it’s not a joke when they take the gun away.


31 posted on 05/31/2009 1:11:12 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
The day I live in fear of what left-wing websites say or think,
will be the day I put my 44 magnum in my mouth and blow my brains out.

Grow a pair, numbnuts.

32 posted on 05/31/2009 2:29:10 PM PDT by trickyricky
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To: sevinufnine

“Go, meat!...”
“Go, meat!...”
“I said a Beef Hot Links—”
“I said a Beef Hot Links—”
“I said a Beef Hot Links—”
“I said a Beef Hot Links—”
“I said a Brat, Beef Kielbasa, Hot Smoked Sausage, Cheddarwurst—”
“I said a Brat, Beef Kielbasa, Hot Smoked Sausage, Cheddarwurst—”
“When I say Hillshire, you say Farms! Hillshire!”
“Farms!...”
“GO MEAT!!!”


33 posted on 05/31/2009 2:30:46 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: trickyricky

Given that you and your .44 magnum haven’t been able to keep the Democrats from taking control of both houses of Congress and the Presidency and many of those people would love to come and take your .44 magnum (out of your cold dead hands, if necessary), perhaps you should get a clue that when it comes down to you against the force of the government, you lose and you have a vested interest in it not coming down to that. Get a clue, Rambo.


34 posted on 05/31/2009 2:39:46 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
If you want to live in fear of the BIG BAD LEFTIES who will come take your guns away,
or even worse, say BAD BAD THINGS about you, be my guest, PANSY.
35 posted on 05/31/2009 2:53:37 PM PDT by trickyricky
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To: trickyricky

Please stop projecting your self-esteem problems on me. I really don’t care what you think about me.


36 posted on 05/31/2009 3:49:19 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Do you even know??

WHERE in that image I posted do you see any evidence of CANNIBALISM??

That photo, BTW, was taken by one of my great-great uncles who was a world-traveling photog with National Geographic. Nowhere in his records have we found any evidence that he even encountered cannibals.


37 posted on 05/31/2009 7:05:12 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Dick Bachert

Then what’s the relevance of your picture to this thread, since the joke was about Obama’s ancestors being cannibals? Or do you just randomly get the urge to post old pictures of Kenyans on any thread that has to do with Obama?


38 posted on 05/31/2009 7:21:32 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

Get a life!


39 posted on 05/31/2009 8:11:18 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Dick Bachert

I have a life. And you?


40 posted on 06/01/2009 7:40:21 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

Uhm... you do realize that this picture is of an actor “in costume” in an “Our Gang” film, don’t you?

I responded to Trickyricky’s “Our Gang” reference, and he responded by posting a still of the character from one of the movies whose line was “Yum-yum, eat ‘em up!” Get the picture?


41 posted on 06/05/2009 6:05:18 AM PDT by Poe White Trash
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Uhm... you do realize that this picture is of an actor “in costume” in an “Our Gang” film, don’t you?

Uhm, you do realize that there are many examples of things in "Our Gang" films that have long been edited out because they are considered racist. If you look at the "Our Gang" filmography here, you'll find nearly 30 titles that have been edited or banned entirely "for perceived racism towards African-Americans". Here is the montage from the end of Spike Lee's movie "Bamboozled" showing various depictions of blacks (and whites in blackface) from various movies that gives a pretty good idea that what was once mainstream (plenty of famous faces) now clearly looks mighty racist.

I responded to Trickyricky’s “Our Gang” reference, and he responded by posting a still of the character from one of the movies whose line was “Yum-yum, eat ‘em up!” Get the picture?

And your explanation addresses my point how, exactly?

42 posted on 06/05/2009 8:44:19 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

>>> Uhm, you do realize that there are many examples of things in “Our Gang” films that have long been edited out because they are considered racist. <<<

Uhm, you do you realise that many schoolboards over the years have banned books like Twain’s “Huckleberry Finn” because of perceived racism? (A bunch of chickensh*ts and jack*sses, in my opinion). Sorry, I don’t see how I have to take Spike Lee or anonymous film censors as unquestioned and inerrant arbiters of what is racist or what is not. If you have a case to make against this particular character in this particular film as being racist, please do so. Otherwise, I’ll take your peevishness as just your waving your “little red book” of PC censorship, Comrade.

“And your explanation addresses my point how, exactly?”

Because it points out that Trickyricky posted the image specifically in response to my noting his reference to this character in the “Our Gang” film (specifically, the catchphrase “Yum-yum eat ‘em up”), not because he was trying to score some racist point against President Jughead.

Oh my goodness! I said “President Jughead”! What a RACIST thing for me to say! I hope you don’t get a case of the vapors!


43 posted on 06/06/2009 1:05:14 AM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: Poe White Trash
Uhm, you do you realise that many schoolboards over the years have banned books like Twain’s “Huckleberry Finn” because of perceived racism? (A bunch of chickensh*ts and jack*sses, in my opinion).

And are you seriously claiming that the depiction of blacks on the Our Gang films has the same merit as the depiction of blacks in Twain’s “Huckleberry Finn”? Aren't you playing the same game of moral equivalency that the left normally plays? Hustler and Venus de Milo are basically the same thing, too, right? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, after all, right?

Sorry, I don’t see how I have to take Spike Lee or anonymous film censors as unquestioned and inerrant arbiters of what is racist or what is not. If you have a case to make against this particular character in this particular film as being racist, please do so. Otherwise, I’ll take your peevishness as just your waving your “little red book” of PC censorship, Comrade.

So since nobody can be an unquestioned and inerrant arbiters of what is racist or what is not, there is no such thing as racism, right? Your post-modernist deconstruction of racism is flawless and you'd make a wonderful Marxist, Comrade.

As for that particular character in that particular film being racist, how much more evidence do you want than that entire episode (The Kid from Borneo) being banned from television for racist content?

Because it points out that Trickyricky posted the image specifically in response to my noting his reference to this character in the “Our Gang” film (specifically, the catchphrase “Yum-yum eat ‘em up”), not because he was trying to score some racist point against President Jughead.

Yes, a character from an "Our Gang" film that's been long banned because of concerns about racism and labeled "Obama's Uncle George" in response to a joke by a Polish politician about Obama's ancestry also widely seen as racist about. The foundation of the discussion is racist and the discussion itself is being built with timbers widely considered racist, yet it shouldn't be perceived as racist, right?

Oh my goodness! I said “President Jughead”! What a RACIST thing for me to say! I hope you don’t get a case of the vapors!

Out of curiosity, do you think this is racist?

44 posted on 06/06/2009 12:19:19 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

>>> And are you seriously claiming that the depiction of blacks on the Our Gang films has the same merit as the depiction of blacks in Twain’s “Huckleberry Finn”? Aren’t you playing the same game of moral equivalency that the left normally plays? Hustler and Venus de Milo are basically the same thing, too, right? One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter, after all, right? <<<

Are you suggesting that YOU should be taken seriously as an arbiter of what possesses artistic or literary merit? What are your credentials (aside from arrogance and a willingness to impugn the motives of others)? Your comparison of this Roach short to a pornographic magazine is both groundless and absurd. It’s obvious to me that you have not seen this movie, and are basing your judgements upon your personal ignorance and prejudice. How ironic.

“So since nobody can be an unquestioned and inerrant arbiters of what is racist or what is not, there is no such thing as racism, right? Your post-modernist deconstruction of racism is flawless and you’d make a wonderful Marxist, Comrade.”

Nonsense; since commissar-wannabes like you don’t bother to establish the credentials and bona fides of the authorities they use, I don’t see why I should take their apparent support of an argument seriously.

Viz. why should I care how Spike Lee defines “racist” in regards to film (especially since he idiotically claimed, years ago, that whether or not one could be defined as racist depends upon ones skin color)? What are his credentials? Why should I care about the judgements of nameless, anonymous corporate censors when they decide to take a particular film out of syndication? Why should I think their decision had merit? Do you have any idea what criteria they used when they made their decision?

Racism exists, but is this particular film promoting racism? Do you seriously expect me to take your word on that, especially since it is obvious to me you’ve not seen the film in question?

BTW, if you had any idea what the Marxist reaction to post-modernism has been in Europe and elsewhere, you would realize how silly your remarks about the two are.

“As for that particular character in that particular film being racist, how much more evidence do you want than that entire episode (The Kid from Borneo) being banned from television for racist content?”

Once again, you try to establish your position by relying upon nameless authorities who provide no basis for the making of their decision. One could just as easily say “Schoolboard Y banned ‘Huckleberry Finn’ for being racist, how much more evidence do you want?” Well, it could easily be that Schoolboard A is made up of fools and cowards, and should not be taken seriously as an arbiter of what is racist and what is not. It may just as easily be the case that the corporate censors are nitwits and spineless avoiders of controvery who caved in to some PC version of Mrs. Grundy. How could I know? You have provided no evidence either way.

“Yes, a character from an “Our Gang” film that’s been long banned because of concerns about racism and labeled “Obama’s Uncle George” in response to a joke by a Polish politician about Obama’s ancestry also widely seen as racist about. The foundation of the discussion is racist and the discussion itself is being built with timbers widely considered racist, yet it shouldn’t be perceived as racist, right?”

You really do live in your own world, don’t you? I responded to trickyricky’s post about “Uncle George” by writing “Ah, the Little Rascals/Our Gang. Good times!” (I know — how horrible of me to have fond memories of that perverted, racist film!). He responded to me by posting a still of “Uncle George” from the movie with the legend “Obama’s Uncle George.” I don’t pretend to know what he meant by that, and could really care less; for you to claim that it expresses some underlying racism either means that you possess some kind of long-distance telepathic ability or that you have some kind of ideological axe to grind. I think that the latter is more likely than the former. I also note that trickyricky didn’t start posting racist slurs until after you started badgering him for posting racist pictures. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he was trying to get your gander. Looks like it worked.

“Out of curiosity, do you think this is racist?”

Let’s see: juxtaposition of the countenance of President Jughead with images of BBQd ribs, watermelon, and a bucket of fried chicken. In my unexpert opinion I’d say YES, a highly charged racist message is being conveyed here; the “ladies” at the Inland Republican women’s group should hang their heads in shame. No irony on my part: that’s a pretty vile mailing.

Let’s play tit for tat: out of curiousity, do you think this is racist?

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=48572749

Watching “The Kid from Borneo” would take about 19 minutes of your time. Hardly a masterpiece of comedy, but it seemed quite funny when I saw it as a teenager. I hope watching it won’t make you faint. If you did watch it, at least you’d know who “Uncle George” was. As for me, the film doesn’t seem expressive of racism (except perhaps for someone’s comment that “Uncle George” “looks like a gorilla”). If I must take exception to anything in the film, it is that most of the slapstick humor toward the end of it is being made at the expense of an obvious simpleton (”Uncle George”). I didn’t find the fact that he was being abused very funny; his gluttony and the misunderstanding between him and the childen was amusing, though.


45 posted on 06/06/2009 4:08:31 PM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: sevinufnine

“Go, meat!...”
“Go, meat!...”
“I said a Beef Hot Links—”
“I said a Beef Hot Links—”
“I said a Beef Hot Links—”
“I said a Beef Hot Links—”
“I said a Brat, Beef Kielbasa, Hot Smoked Sausage, Cheddarwurst—”
“I said a Brat, Beef Kielbasa, Hot Smoked Sausage, Cheddarwurst—”
“When I say Hillshire, you say Farms! Hillshire!”
“Farms!...”
“GO MEAT!!!”


46 posted on 06/06/2009 4:10:50 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Question_Assumptions

Why don’t you question your obsession with the so-called “racism”, a communist invention if there ever was one!


47 posted on 06/06/2009 4:13:47 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: sevinufnine

What if the story in the joke were actually true?


48 posted on 06/06/2009 4:17:10 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: sevinufnine
Spokespeople for the Social and Democratic Party of Poland filed a legal complaint in connection with Gurski’s racist remarks, which, as they said, dishonored the Polish administration. If convicted, the deputy can be sentenced to up to three years in prison.

FYI: That's what the allegedly former Communists call themselves over there.

49 posted on 06/06/2009 4:19:19 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Poe White Trash
Are you suggesting that YOU should be taken seriously as an arbiter of what possesses artistic or literary merit? What are your credentials (aside from arrogance and a willingness to impugn the motives of others)? Your comparison of this Roach short to a pornographic magazine is both groundless and absurd. It’s obvious to me that you have not seen this movie, and are basing your judgements upon your personal ignorance and prejudice. How ironic.

My point is that simply because there is no official arbiter or objective standard for artistic or literary merit does not mean that such merits do not exist, just as simply because there is no official arbiter or objective standard for racism does not mean that works cannot be racist. The defense being offered ("Who are you to judge?") is exactly the same defense offered by liberal moral relativists. If you had a stronger argument (and you apparently do), you should have used it from the beginning.

Nonsense; since commissar-wannabes like you don’t bother to establish the credentials and bona fides of the authorities they use, I don’t see why I should take their apparent support of an argument seriously.

And exactly what "credentials and bona fides" would you find acceptable? By current television and movie standards, whether you or I like them or not (and I'll discuss the short in question below), such portrayals are considered racist.

Viz. why should I care how Spike Lee defines “racist” in regards to film (especially since he idiotically claimed, years ago, that whether or not one could be defined as racist depends upon ones skin color)? What are his credentials? Why should I care about the judgements of nameless, anonymous corporate censors when they decide to take a particular film out of syndication? Why should I think their decision had merit? Do you have any idea what criteria they used when they made their decision?

I wasn't using Spike Lee as an authority and I, too, disagree with some of his opinions (and probably do not interpret the movie Bamboozled as he intended). I offered a montage from the end of that movie as context and it's in that context that even essentially harmless depictions of black people (and I consider several of the examples given in that montage as essentially harmless slapstick rather than any real racism) are now seen as racist. It's the same reason why many Freepers roll their eyes at yet another white racist villain in an action movie. On their own, white racists do make excellent villains for action movies but when every action movie villain turns out to be a white racist or we see the villains in book adaptations being transformed from Arabs into white racists, then the pattern makes the practice look, well, racist.

This has nothing to do with whether I personally find a particular picture or practice racist but that plenty of other people do and that it feeds into a prevailing stereotype that conservatives are racist. The left has carefully crafted a trump card that says, "You're racist!" that they use to effectively bash conservatives with such that it silences legitimate conservative arguments on a whole host of issues including affirmative action and supreme court nominees. Playing in to that stereotype is not helpful.

Having watched the film at your request (more on that below), if I had to guess I would say that the criteria by which that short was considered racist was that the wild man was essentially a stock stereotype of a dark skinned savage that followed a long line of similar portrayals in the movies of the period (and continues on in the joke told about Obama's ancestors). That was the point about the montage of clips from the Spike Lee movie. It provides context. In fact, that movie which depicts a modern-day minstrel show (with black actors in blackface playing the stereotypes) has scenes with a black person dressed not all that differently than "Uncle George" for a reason.

Racism exists, but is this particular film promoting racism? Do you seriously expect me to take your word on that, especially since it is obvious to me you’ve not seen the film in question?

My claim was not that the film promotes racism but that the depictions in the film are now widely considered racist (regardless not only of intent but sometimes even regardless of whether they match the initial perception).

BTW, if you had any idea what the Marxist reaction to post-modernism has been in Europe and elsewhere, you would realize how silly your remarks about the two are.

And it's not hard to find people on the left asking what the conflict is, too, and the Marxist doesn't have to believe in a tool to use it. What I'm referring to is specifically what Evan Sayet was talking about in his speeches to the Heritage Foundation.

Once again, you try to establish your position by relying upon nameless authorities who provide no basis for the making of their decision. One could just as easily say “Schoolboard Y banned ‘Huckleberry Finn’ for being racist, how much more evidence do you want?” Well, it could easily be that Schoolboard A is made up of fools and cowards, and should not be taken seriously as an arbiter of what is racist and what is not. It may just as easily be the case that the corporate censors are nitwits and spineless avoiders of controvery who caved in to some PC version of Mrs. Grundy. How could I know? You have provided no evidence either way.

That "Huckleberry Finn" has generated racial controversy suggests that there is something in there that sets off racism alarms and there clearly are. In the case of "Huckleberry Finn", the problem is that while the depiction has overt resemblances to racist depictions, the underlying characterizations are not intentionally racist and can actually be interpreted as being against racism. To this I would compare the 3/5ths compromise in the Constitution which, to people who don't know any better, looks like the Constitution was calling black people 3/5ths of a person when in reality it was designed to weaken the representation of the slave states and was thus anti-slavery. The way things are initially perceived does matter, even if it's startlingly ignorant and wrong.

You really do live in your own world, don’t you? I responded to trickyricky’s post about “Uncle George” by writing “Ah, the Little Rascals/Our Gang. Good times!” (I know — how horrible of me to have fond memories of that perverted, racist film!). He responded to me by posting a still of “Uncle George” from the movie with the legend “Obama’s Uncle George.” I don’t pretend to know what he meant by that, and could really care less; for you to claim that it expresses some underlying racism either means that you possess some kind of long-distance telepathic ability or that you have some kind of ideological axe to grind. I think that the latter is more likely than the former. I also note that trickyricky didn’t start posting racist slurs until after you started badgering him for posting racist pictures. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he was trying to get your gander. Looks like it worked.

I've been willing to give people here the benefit of the doubt and haven's said that I think for certain that anyone was motivated by actual racism. However, that is not the assumption that our opponents will make, nor is it necessarily the assumption that fence sitters will make if they've been barraged with the message that the right is racist. If you've got reason to believe the right is racist, then the assumption is going to be that stereotype, not the good will assumption that the intent was not actually racist. Thus the actual intent is irrelevant. The issue is what a person would think if this thread were linked, say, to a New York Times article making the argument that conservatives were racist against Obama. Would it support or refute that stereotype and argument? How about the threads full of Jeffersons, Good Times, and Sanford and Son stills? Anything that attacks Obama on race and relies on crude stereotypes is going to support the case that the right is racist, whether it's true or not.

And, by the way, I didn't start posting into this thread until after that picture had been posted, so if it was posted for me, it must have been some of that "long-distance telepathic ability".

Let’s see: juxtaposition of the countenance of President Jughead with images of BBQd ribs, watermelon, and a bucket of fried chicken. In my unexpert opinion I’d say YES, a highly charged racist message is being conveyed here; the “ladies” at the Inland Republican women’s group should hang their heads in shame. No irony on my part: that’s a pretty vile mailing.

Let’s play tit for tat: out of curiousity, do you think this is racist?

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=48572749

Watching “The Kid from Borneo” would take about 19 minutes of your time. Hardly a masterpiece of comedy, but it seemed quite funny when I saw it as a teenager. I hope watching it won’t make you faint. If you did watch it, at least you’d know who “Uncle George” was. As for me, the film doesn’t seem expressive of racism (except perhaps for someone’s comment that “Uncle George” “looks like a gorilla”). If I must take exception to anything in the film, it is that most of the slapstick humor toward the end of it is being made at the expense of an obvious simpleton (”Uncle George”). I didn’t find the fact that he was being abused very funny; his gluttony and the misunderstanding between him and the childen was amusing, though.

OK, I watched it. My personal assessment? Not racist. In fact, I'd argue that it was, in many ways, anti-racist (as are other Our Gang shorts) in that the innocent children are perfectly willing to accept that the black wild man is their Uncle and relative. I don't even consider the "gorilla" comment to be racist in the context it was given. But I also understand why it's considered racist on that page I mentioned. It's because the depiction of George is the typical "black savage" as depicted in other less benign works. And the fact that the gorilla comment gave you any pause suggests that you know what I'm talking about. In the context of that one short, there is nothing racist about that comment but in the broader and more malicious context of black people being called names like that, it doesn't seem as harmless as maybe it should.

And that ultimately brings me back to my point which is that the pictures and stereotypes people are playing with in this thread (and others like it) are playing with stereotypes and depictions that have been (for better or worse, legitimately or not) associated with racism. And whether the people here really are racist or are just trying to be funny (or maybe they are simply trying to purposely to get someone's gander) is irrelevant to me. That it plays into a stereotype is the problem.

Again, I think you should understand what I'm saying because after telling me that I shouldn't try to divine the motives of others for what they post and joke about the idea of "long-distance telepathic ability", you then proceed to do exactly the same thing to me, considering a couple of possible motivations that I might have for complaining and then settling for the belief that I must have "some kind of ideological axe to grind". Why? Because that fits the stereotype of people who complain about racism from the perspective of the right. People tend to believe the stereotype and make assumptions based on the stereotype. That's my point. Right now, the stereotype held by all too many people, and carefully crafted and maintained by the left, is that conservatives are racist. And the more we do that feeds that stereotype, the worse it gets.

50 posted on 06/06/2009 6:09:32 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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