Skip to comments.George Tiller (Child Murderer) shot to death at Wichita church
Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58
Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.
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When our leaders debate war and peace issues, we do not come down with an iron clad, “my way or the highway” -— “you are with us or against us” doctrine.
On death penalty issues, we allow the States to decide, and the States determine if they want the penalty or not, and under which circumstances.
NAME another issue that has ever come up in history, that we were morally required to treat as an “all or nothing, no compromise” issue?
Even in the Civil War, Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in REBEL States, not the border states or the loyal states!
Incremental ism is morally justified, on the path to a desired goal! More to the point, not that you have to support every decision the Catholic Church comes up with, but the Catholic Bishops have often supported legislation that OR and ALL and the other "purists" oppose! We need to BANKRUPT the abortion industry. We should do so by passing as many restrictions as we can, every time we get the chance, but you and people like you actually have served to make George Tiller a rich man!
“Jesus is the way, not Moses.”
yes Jesus is the Son of God and is the way. Moses was a man of God and a good servant.
It is a mans duty to protect his family.
“Your ability to comprehend analogies appears to be nil.”
As is yours, to properly judge a country that it seems you haven’t found time to do much FOR. This is a DAMNED fine country! Perfect? Not even close. But many people have seen some truly bad ones on the US Government tour-plan. Some saw NAZI Germany *for real*. Go find one of those guys and tell them your half-baked theory that America is as bad as NAZI Germany. If you arent too ashamed. But i know you won’t. And i know why.
Currently, NONE OF THE BABIES HAVE RIGHTS!
We are not “negotiating away” any rights, we are establishing rights, or trying to, baby by baby.
The all or nothing approach is prideful, stupid and immoral!
No. (Stating what I thought was obvious,) my response to your post was a correction for clarification of my first post, with the changes in boldface.
Seems a bit convenient considering the timing of the Napalitano report. Hmmmm...
Failing to recognize the power of incrementalism is one of the biggest failings of the conservative movement.
You don’t play football by throwing a hail mary touchdown pass every play. You don’t play baseball by trying to hit a home run every at bat.
Abortion isn’t a game and millions of lives have been lost. We can use more than one tactic.
How in the heck have I shown Tiller sympathy? What? I have no sympathy for the heinous murderer. Trust me on that.
That is a completely separate issue from whether this was a justifiable homicide in a court.
It is also a completely separate issue with what our youth will believe about pro-lifers, rightly or wrongly based on this one bozo's self aggrandizement (”I think I'll become a hero today...”)
If you look at it totally objectively, Osama Bin Laden and Sadam Hussein murdered thousands of innocent people. Who, other than a Demrat, would mourn the loss of these cold blooded killers? Now we have a situation of someone who targeted only the most innocent, tiny babies. Even the most sadistic dictator didn’t exclusively prey on vulnerable infants.
“but I had a friend, a Christian lady, who had to have an abortion on medical grounds.”
Exceedingly rare for that to occur. Most of the time the womans body will reject the baby if its harming her. As one doctor/congressman said “in 20 years of delivering babies I have never seen this happen”.
“Anyone know the actual financial bottom line, which was no doubt his greatest motivator????”
One driver for partial birth abortion is the sale of baby parts. Research labs will issue orders for specific parts harvested in specific manners.
“Thats a dirty thing to say about this country. Sounds like something a liberal says. America sucks,,blah blah blah,,”
Unfortunately in this case its true. We could acknowledge that and work to correct it. Or we could continue to ignore the harsh reality.
Moses Was angry that children and women were spared. He ordered his men to murder the women who had born a child and all their male sons, regardless of age. He told his men to take the young girls for theirselves.
In plain language. Think of a woman you know thats got an infant son and an 8 year old daughter. The woman watches her son get his head smashed in. Last thing this terrified mother sees is her terrified trembling daughter, held fast by the men who will soon rape her. Lights out for mom as her head is smashed in too.
Little 8 year old girl, lead away to get screwed by the men who she watched murder mother and brother. Maybe if they are nice she doesnt get screwed until puberty.
Yeah,,Moses sound like he was doing Gods will alright. I think i’ll stick to Jesus. Moses is fairly dubious (at best). yeah, i said it.
Because you say so? We’ve killed more innocents, over a longer period of time than were killed in all of Nazi Germany. That’s a fact.
Look..I see you are adamant and so am I. We will have to agree to disagree.
I completely agree with the heart and teaching of the Catholic Church, which I believe is totally correct and morally consistent AND TOTALLY CLEAR in its teaching on human life.
If you can’t grasp that teaching or are willing to negotiate away the absolute right to life then I will pray for you because you are on a dark path, regardless of your intentions.
This is about way more than just the lives that are snuffed out, it is about the entire moral fiber of our nation and mankind. Those holy innocents share eternal life with our Heavenly Father. It is the rest of us who suffer from compromises of a moral nature.
“Yeah,,Moses sound like he was doing Gods will alright. I think ill stick to Jesus. Moses is fairly dubious (at best). yeah, i said it.”
So you’ve decided to pick and choose what parts of the Bible to believe?
Reichstag Fire American style, circa 2009?
The tragedy is this kills the pro-life movement and helps the abortion industry.
Passing a law that forbids abortion, in some cases, and would therefore END or PROHIBIT most or many abortions, does NOT make “some abortions legal” -— that is stupid and not at all logical!
When ALL abortions are currently LEGAL, any law is better and more moral than what we have now!
Let me ask this: If you are opposed to late term abortion restrictions, would you like to see New York, California, Massachusetts and the rest of the country REPEAL their “compromise” late term abortion laws???
If not, why not?
You do not have the legislative competentence to be in this battle, quite frankly, if you can not answer that question.
It does make you want to puke.
Of course, no mention of the thousands he’s slaughtered.
In this case, I would argue that if this guy killed Tiller because he hated Tiller, hated what Tiller did, and wanted vengeance for the evil that he believed Tiller wrought, he would be most accurately described as an assassin, not a terrorist. If, on the other hand, he attacked Tiller for all of those reasons, but also because he wanted to send a message to other abortionists/abortion-supporters (stop doing what you're doing, or else), he could fairly be described as both an assassin and a terrorist.
We won’t lose any pro-lifers over it.
The media hate us anyhow.
It will strike fear in future late term killers.
What’s your point then?
angry someone killed a man who killed 1000s upon 100os of unborn babies...many of whom were viable
or angry because this maybe hurt the pro life position
or mad that it should have been God’s vengeance
this issue ..like any contentious one in history will likely along with all our culture conflicts be settled by politics by other means.
particularly given our demographic decline...or we will simply surrender
America worse than Nazi Germany? Go down and spread whatever crap you’re selling at the VFW. And take a thick cold steak to put on your black eye.
And Hurry,, that generation is dying fast. Bet you’ll like that,,those nuts think the Nazis were the bad guys!
"PUT THIS MONSTER TILLER BEHIND BARS WHERE HE CAN'T MURDER ANY MORE OF OUR MOST INNOCENT UNBORN BABIES, WHO HAVE NO VOICE!!! WHERE ARE THE WILBERFORCES WHO WILL SCREAM OUT UNTIL THIS INJUSTICE RESTS ?!!! AS THOMAS JEFFERSON SAID, "I TREMBLE THAT OUR HEAVENLY FATHER IS JUST AND THAT HIS JUSTICE WILL NOT WAIT FOREVER!!! PUT THIS HEINOUS BUTCHER BEHIND PRISON WALLS IN HOPES THAT THIS NATIONS' JUDGEMENT WILL STAVED OFF. ONE OF THE SEVEN THINGS OUR HEAVENLY FATHER HATES IS THE SHEDDING OF INNOCENT BLOOD !!! HEAVEN HELP US !!! US !!!"
I’m shocked they haven’t said he’s a freeper.
Give ‘em a minute.
I doubt that he is going to be a democrat. Prepare to be guilty by association.
Is Sebulius in mourning?
I choose to be faithful to the Church. You can do what you want.
hardly..depends on who's on the receiving end....history's course has never been decidedly determined peacefully.
The Church teaches that elective abortion is always wrong.
The Church does NOT teach that legislation, that seeks to protect life, and actually reduces abortions, is EVER wrong!
Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.
Is not the mother a human being that needs to be treated as a person, defended in her integrity, and healed as far as possible? There are hard choices to be made in this imperfect world. Sometimes it is a choice between mother and baby.
I rejoice when my enemy dies.
Call me old school.
I only respect a fallen enemy that has earned it.
Care to comment on the other part of my post? You think that mother and son getting murdered by Moses, and the daughter being raped, was the will of God? If so, then you got a huge screw loose.
Ill stick to Jesus. Apostles were asking about the nature of the heavenly Father. He said “If you really knew me, then you would know my Father too.” Jesus is all you need.
Ill go with that, as is my right as a Christian. The new testament is the christian’s handbook. In fact, it easily stands alone, cant say that for the old.
Healing does not include the murder of another person, the Church is very clear on that. Next quibble.
"It seems as though what is happening in Kansas could be compared to the "lawlessness" which is spoken of in the Bible. Tiller is the concentration camp "Mengele" of our day and needs to be stopped before he and those who protect him bring judgement upon our nation."
Your argument stands on its own two feet, or it does not. Big dark letters dont make it more convincing.
In the immortal words of Jack Nicholson as the Joker
“You are a vicious bastard, Tiller...and I’m glad you’re dead!”
“You think that mother and son getting murdered by Moses, and the daughter being raped, was the will of God?”
Yes it was the will of God. Our God is a God to be feared. As men our choices have an impact on our families. If we fail God then our families can pay the price. Thankfully God decided to send his Son since we all failed to meet the mark.
“Jesus is all you need.”
Jesus is all we need to go to be saved. He is not the all. There is also God and the Holy Spirit.
OK Church Lady, whatever you say.
Back in the real world where I let God worry about saving the soul's of mass murderers...behavior has consequence...sometimes dire.
and yes Virginia, sometimes there is justice in this world however meted out..
If I made a mistake, it could be pointed out without sarcasm.
The biggest problem with 'conservatives' is they spend far too much time and energy sniping at each other instead of uniting against their true enemies.
It doesn't need to be that way. Does it?
Would it have been ok to feel ambivalent had he died in a car wreck instead of being shot?
Tillers a baby killer and Roeders a guy who killed a baby killer. One was within his legal rights and the latter is going away for a very long time.
It is the purists who have opposed the Bishops, on some occasions!
“The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law.”
Please do not post to me again. You are making me sick.
I did not know this, but believe you. Where is your source, so I can use it.
But it does make the more important excerpts more readable to the ignorant.
The “death” (as in a natural event, heart attack, car accident, ect) perhaps to many of us would not be. But assassinating him in a public place where an innocent could be hit by a stray bullet is just wrong. Let’s not go there. God will judge this man and it wasn’t up to any mortal man to play God and kill the abortionist. I have always found these killings ugly, and yes the killing of babies is uglier, but too many times innocents have been hurt or killed. We are no less a murderer because our victims are not as innocent and young as theirs. This does the pro life movement no good and I spit on those who are so arrogant to think that they are given special dispensation to carry out executions. Be careful when the left comes after one of us for killling a tree or poking a hole in the ozone! For that is their mentality. They value trees and earth more than babies and one day this may be used to round many of us up for execution!