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George Tiller (Child Murderer) shot to death at Wichita church
Wichita Eagle ^ | 05/30/2009 | Stan Finger

Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58

Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.

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To: Kansas58

One murderer murdering another murderer. Neither will be justified before God. Tiller became anti-abortion today, but he was one day to late.


1,251 posted on 05/31/2009 5:12:33 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Kansas58

Even better considering how many non-practicing Jews have pushing abortion!


1,252 posted on 05/31/2009 5:12:50 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: driftdiver

Got to run. I’m going to have to just agree to disagree with you on this theology today. You’re a little more
“Jonathan Edwards” than me. But at least we both love Jesus,,thats a start.


1,253 posted on 05/31/2009 5:14:19 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: DesertRhino

You seem to have something against God. I pray for you.


1,254 posted on 05/31/2009 5:15:31 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jwalsh07

“I’d suggest you look up the definition of murder”

.45 to the head of an unarmed man work for ya? And wrap your head around this. Why didnt he just kidnap him and lock him away somewhere? Face it,,murder guy was a nut.


1,255 posted on 05/31/2009 5:16:23 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: DesertRhino

A lot of dim bulbs at FR these days. Must be a global warming thing.


1,256 posted on 05/31/2009 5:18:35 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: driftdiver

That’s true but I was speaking about worshipping God on Sundays.


1,257 posted on 05/31/2009 5:19:28 PM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: perkster

“Would Jesus murder an abortionist?”

Now you *know better* than to ask things like that! All that matters is what Moses did, and things in Exodus.


1,258 posted on 05/31/2009 5:19:37 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Shelayne

placemarker


1,259 posted on 05/31/2009 5:25:00 PM PDT by Shelayne (Lord, come quickly!)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Satan see’s America as more pleasing to him than NAZI Germany = America worse than nazi Germany.

Im a simple man, but “greater feat of evil” means worse.
Of course, as a conservative, i think words have meanings.

Get it? I thought not...you poopy head. I used periods JUST for you.


1,260 posted on 05/31/2009 5:25:54 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: DCPatriot

So tell me how killing an abortionist helps the pro-life cause and how that’s any different than Islamofascist rag heads flying planes into buildings because they think they’re doing the will of God? Tiller’s murderer is no Colonel Claus and he didn’t do us pro-lifers any favors.


1,261 posted on 05/31/2009 5:27:02 PM PDT by Victory Rocks (Sarah Palin 2012! The right woman, for the right job, at the right time!)
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To: driftdiver

Ill Pray for you too. That you can escape cult of the mosiac law.


1,262 posted on 05/31/2009 5:27:07 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Shelayne
placemarker?
I like that idea!
Care if I steal it?
1,263 posted on 05/31/2009 5:27:14 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

It was probably over a poker debt.


1,264 posted on 05/31/2009 5:28:26 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: Kansas58

John Brown’s body lies a-mold’ring in the grave
John Brown’s body lies a-mold’ring in the grave
John Brown’s body lies a-mold’ring in the grave
His soul goes marching on

Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
His soul is marching on

He captured Harper’s Ferry with his nineteen men so true
He frightened old Virginia till she trembled
through and through
They hung him for a traitor, themselves the traitor crew
His soul is marching on

Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!

His soul is marching on
John Brown died that the slave might be free,
John Brown died that the slave might be free,
John Brown died that the slave might be free,
But his soul is marching on!

Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
His soul is marching on

The stars above in Heaven are looking kindly down
The stars above in Heaven are looking kindly down
The stars above in Heaven are looking kindly down
On the grave of old John Brown

Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
His soul is marching on


1,265 posted on 05/31/2009 5:28:42 PM PDT by Ladycalif (Free - Ramos and Compean)
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To: csmusaret
OOOHHH! Are you afraid he might see it? I’ll bet you were born without a humerus, idiot.

I said your remark was an idiot remark, not you. Anyone makes one from time to time. I did not judge you as an idiot and I would appreciate the same decency from you.

I think your comment about BO could be construed as inflammatory, supporting the notion that news commentators that are not leftists need to be shut down as they promote violence. This is a very real left wing mantra that I do not want to see us promoting.

I did not know that you were joking but thought you were making an exaggeration because you think BO is somehow too prolife in the wrong way. I think that this was easy to do as I do not know you, nor the way that you joke about. Sorry, I drew a wrong conclusion about you.

Posted in ref to post 1,036:

No suspect? Does anyone know the whereabouts of Bill O’Reilly?

What an idiot remark!

1,266 posted on 05/31/2009 5:29:23 PM PDT by Bellflower (The end of this age is near but the beginning of the next glorious one is coming!)
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To: Kansas58

Ok,,i worked my way to top of the thread FINALLY! Im king of the hill!! Im out now, my butt hurts from this chair.


1,267 posted on 05/31/2009 5:29:34 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: DesertRhino
Im a simple man

Not yet. But you will be when you turn 18.

1,268 posted on 05/31/2009 5:30:05 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

I get to be 18 AGAIN?? NO way!!!! Thats the best news i’ve had all day.


1,269 posted on 05/31/2009 5:31:26 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: reg45

She is lucky to have a friend such as yourself right now.


1,270 posted on 05/31/2009 5:32:06 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: newfreep

Abortion “doctors” worship at the Altar of Moloch.


1,271 posted on 05/31/2009 5:33:20 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Victory Rocks

excellant post.


1,272 posted on 05/31/2009 5:33:50 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (It's time for the grown ups !)
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To: Kansas58
I can't condone it, but I damn well understand it. My complaint is that this can make a martyr of Tiller. That's the only thing bad about this as far as I am concerned.

As far as Tiller goes, good riddance to bad rubbish. The good thing is that children are also saved by this. Late term abortions kill viable children. No tears shed here. None.

If I was a Kansas attorney, I'd argue defense of others and push for jury nullification. It's the only shot he has. Put Tiller's ghost on trial.

1,273 posted on 05/31/2009 5:34:31 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Buckley, Brooks, Parker - You supported Obama, so shut up and take your screwing)
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To: cranked
You do realize that if this story proves true, that it will be played by the liberal Barry media as the work committed by a rightwing extremist?

Well, of course. From the story...

"However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence," the president said in a statement issued by the White House.

You know, right now I am spending a long weekend in Gettysburg, Pa., with my family. I have spent the last two days with them studying the Civil War and the horrendous cost spent by thousands upon thousands - on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line.

Coming back to the hotel tonight, I turned on FR and read the news about Tiller. Almost immediately, a thought occurred to me.

Where would we be today if Lincoln had stated those exact words back in 1861?

1,274 posted on 05/31/2009 5:35:25 PM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe (2nd Amendment - the reboot button on the U.S. Constitution)
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To: driftdiver
One cannot simultaneously:

A) claim to accept Christ

and

B) fail to do everything possible to protect the lives of innocent little prenatal babies from murder by abortion.

1,275 posted on 05/31/2009 5:37:38 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: DesertRhino

Mosiac? Is that like a checkerboard?

Don’t turn your back on God the Father.


1,276 posted on 05/31/2009 5:38:21 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Victory Rocks
I believe the best way to end abortion is to . . . change the laws.

An imperious SCOTUS denied us that option in Roe v. Wade, shut off all debate and made half of all Americans into outlaws of conscience.

That's why the pressures are so enormous and dangerous. There is no release valve in the machinery of state.

1,277 posted on 05/31/2009 5:39:22 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: SeattleBruce
Do you suppose this ‘one man’ thought all that through before he pulled the trigger?

I'm not defending the guy who shot Tiller, whoever he is, but...

It's easy to second-guess the guy without standing in his shoes. How thoroughly would you have "thought it through", if you knew that someone DEFINITELY killed one of your loved ones? This man may be the dad of a young woman who died as a result of a botched abortion at Tiller's clinic.

Just like the so-called "keyboard commandos" are admonished about how bad-a** they can be about who they're gonna shoot at when TSHTF, the "keyboard preachers" need to think a little bit more.
1,278 posted on 05/31/2009 5:40:55 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: Victory Rocks
So tell me how killing an abortionist helps the pro-life cause and how that’s any different than Islamofascist rag heads flying planes into buildings because they think they’re doing the will of God? Tiller’s murderer is no Colonel Claus and he didn’t do us pro-lifers any favors.

It's no different, IMO. When a person gets to the point that he ambushes and murders...and does it inside a church, he's no different than Mohammed Atta, who hit one of the towers.

Unfortunately....as many in this forum have a general mistrust of Muslims, now people's radical opinion of social conservatives will be reinforced.

That's a fact.

1,279 posted on 05/31/2009 5:41:59 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: DCPatriot

“Do you....or anybody else on this thread agree that this shooting was a ‘cowardly act’?”

Not neccesarily. If he truly realized the consequences, the shooter might be a very brave man. The fact that he drove away in an attempt to escape those consequences is merely a sign of rational thought.


1,280 posted on 05/31/2009 5:42:48 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: HotLead61
It might have been a father of a baby that Tiller killed.
1,281 posted on 05/31/2009 5:43:16 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: TheFourthMagi

It would be interesting if the defense attorneys take that position when entering a plea of not guilty.


1,282 posted on 05/31/2009 5:43:30 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: wardaddy

Sounds fair.


1,283 posted on 05/31/2009 5:47:46 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: Kansas58

I am not a purist. I believe any restriction on abortion should be passed into law. However, I still believe it is morally wrong to kill a baby that was conceived by rape or incest and I would support legislation to ban those abortions as well. The only exception would be when the life of the baby and the life of the mother are both in danger (ie ectopic pregnancy). Personally, I would (and have) continued a pregnancy that was risky to my own life. The baby was not in jeopardy and my ob was able to manage my condition and all turned out well. In fact, before I chose my ob, I called to see if they performed or ever referred women for abortions. I didnt even want to have the issue come up.


1,284 posted on 05/31/2009 5:49:15 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (I home school because I have seen the village and I don't want it raising my children.)
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To: DCPatriot

I beleive in jury nullification in very, very rare but needed cases.


1,285 posted on 05/31/2009 5:51:17 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

I don’t 100% oppose abortion.
You see, I do not view a newly fertilized egg as a person-—yet. Of course, as the fetus develops into that which clearly looks like a human, is almost, or all-but ready to survive outside the womb, then yes, I would oppose such an abortion. However, I don’t take a theological view of the situation. I take a practical view of it. I see no value/reward in destroying the next generation. Of course, there are those who say we need stem cells, and things along those lines. No thanks, not for me-—I’d rather take other avenues of research. We should protect the next generation, but, there are gray areas (in my opinion, since you asked for it)-—rape and/or incest. In cases of rape/incest, I think it is perfectly fine to immediately abort the fertilized egg/fetus. But, remember, I do not view this issue from a religious perspective.


1,286 posted on 05/31/2009 5:51:19 PM PDT by CHATTAB
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To: wardaddy
On one had, I worry about the martyrdom of this babykiller and the setting back of the pro-live movement I've been a active part of since I was 22 years old.

On the other hand, I think of all the kids who are in gestation six, seven, eight, and nine months and are killed by this goon.

I can't shed a tear. Good riddance. I can't condone this, but I understand it.

1,287 posted on 05/31/2009 5:52:19 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (We do what we have to do.)
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To: All

Gods will be done.


1,288 posted on 05/31/2009 5:53:49 PM PDT by southparkNationalist (I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. I will face my fear and let it pass through me.)
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To: SeattleBruce

Sadly, it won’t matter what statement they put out, they will be branded as having gun in hand from the pro-death crowd from the president down.


1,289 posted on 05/31/2009 5:56:43 PM PDT by Brytani (No Taxation Without Birth Certification)
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To: Technical Editor

And in protection of yourself or another. There are very few but specific times when taking a life is warranted.

Not in this case, though I do not mourn his death, but to say the ONLY time when taking a life is justified is in a just war is wrong.


1,290 posted on 05/31/2009 5:58:39 PM PDT by Brytani (No Taxation Without Birth Certification)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Thanks! It would be nice if some on our side would think before they emote, because some of the comments on this thread are just plain kooky.

I hate abortion with a passion and want it to end but I also realize that we need to elect a President and a congress who will nominate and confirm Supreme Court justices that will over turn Roe v Wade. And the only way we do that is by educating our friends and family members about the horrors of abortion so they will be less likely to have abortions themselves, and will vote with us for pro-life candidates for local and national office.

Murdering abortionists will only cause the pro-life movement to be marginalized as fringe radicals and will push those on the fence to side with the pro-choice, or more accurately, the pro-death side.

1,291 posted on 05/31/2009 6:00:44 PM PDT by Victory Rocks (Sarah Palin 2012! The right woman, for the right job, at the right time!)
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To: Kansas58

DARN IT!!! (wanted to use harsher language here)
My argument is flawed-—
I had never considered that rape/incest would be such a small percentage of abortions(whatever the real stats, they would be quite low).
If abortions were only allowed for such situations, then a high percentage of those women who would be inclined to get abortions would cry wolf.
What a mess that would create for society and the legal system. No thanks.
Therefore, from a practical standpoint, and of my own opinion that abortion is not, in general, a positive thing, I must now be 100% against abortion, regardless of the situation.


1,292 posted on 05/31/2009 6:01:32 PM PDT by CHATTAB
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To: BenLurkin

Now that is a good question


1,293 posted on 05/31/2009 6:02:57 PM PDT by reefdiver (So how's that HOPE & CHANGE working out for ya ?)
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To: big'ol_freeper

View my latest post, I think it is #1292 of the thread.
You may have to backtrack it to make sense of it, but you may be surprised. I have changed my stance.


1,294 posted on 05/31/2009 6:03:13 PM PDT by CHATTAB
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

I admire your courage and honesty.


1,295 posted on 05/31/2009 6:03:27 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

If and early untimely death is good enough for those helpless babies it’s good enough for Dr Geaorge Tiller.

May my Lord have mercy on his soul.

Look what we have become.


1,296 posted on 05/31/2009 6:03:48 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk (NewBomb, where's your brothers ElCamino?)
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To: Kansas58
Third rail!


1,297 posted on 05/31/2009 6:04:26 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: behzinlea

I’m sorry, but killing abortionists will not end abortion, but will only make things harder for the pro-life cause.


1,298 posted on 05/31/2009 6:04:37 PM PDT by Victory Rocks (Sarah Palin 2012! The right woman, for the right job, at the right time!)
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To: SaraJohnson

Can anyone truly fathom that George Tiller has ended the lives of over 60,000 infants? I can’t wrap my mind around that at all and I’m sure no one in the pro-life movement can.

Operation Rescues response was perfect, though will be turned against them. They did not mourn the death of the man but made the point that non-violence has always been the hallmark of the pro-life movement, with very few exceptions that have exploited by the media.

My first statement on hearing of Tillers murder was I hoped he was having dinner with satan but that this was not good for the pro-life movement.

Not my most Christian comment but one that I”m sure is shared by many who do not approve of Tillers murder and would have preferred he had been taken care of by the court system.


1,299 posted on 05/31/2009 6:07:03 PM PDT by Brytani (No Taxation Without Birth Certification)
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To: CHATTAB

I am VERY proud of you.

If you want to do something really REALLY enriching and uplifting, I would invite you to come to Washington, DC when the annual March for Life occurs in late January. You will never be the same.


1,300 posted on 05/31/2009 6:09:30 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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