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George Tiller (Child Murderer) shot to death at Wichita church
Wichita Eagle ^ | 05/30/2009 | Stan Finger

Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58

Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.

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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

You’re question is right on the mark. A society can’t have any moral standing to say we will outlaw all but some murders just so we can outlaw most murders.


1,301 posted on 05/31/2009 6:12:40 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Brytani

What if it was done by a father whose baby daughter or baby son was killed by Tiller?

Would it be justice then?


1,302 posted on 05/31/2009 6:14:04 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: CHATTAB
I must now be 100% against abortion.

Good. Now go save some lives.

1,303 posted on 05/31/2009 6:15:27 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: TheFourthMagi

Did I ever claim otherwise? And while you’re trying for that home run nothing happens and millions die.

The use of incrementalism is not acceptance of abortion.


1,304 posted on 05/31/2009 6:19:19 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DCPatriot
That is why I condemn the murder of this abortionist and want to see his killer punished, because I as a Christian and as an American don't want to be any thing like the jihadists we're fighting overseas.

If I'm going to expect so called moderate Muslims to condemn acts of terror done in the name Islam then It's only right I condemn those who commit similar acts in the name of my faith.

I could care less about your facts, I just want to do the right thing and murdering abortionists isn't it.

1,305 posted on 05/31/2009 6:19:53 PM PDT by Victory Rocks (Sarah Palin 2012! The right woman, for the right job, at the right time!)
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To: Kansas58

Well I neither support, nor understand this. Murder is murder. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Prayers lifted for Tiller’s family and friends. He did NOT, NOT, NOT deserve to die like this.


1,306 posted on 05/31/2009 6:20:23 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ( Pretender-in-Chief Barack Hussein Obama....an arrogant embarrassment.)
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To: southparkNationalist
Gods will be done.

God don't go around murdering for kicks.  This murder of Tiller speaks more about the murderer's gift of Free Will given to each of us at birth.

1,307 posted on 05/31/2009 6:20:45 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Kansas58; a fool in paradise
Tomorrow's headline today:

Killer Triller's Killer Thriller!


1,308 posted on 05/31/2009 6:23:41 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Victory Rocks
You equate this with acts of terror. A couple of questions.

Was this the taking of an innocent life?

If you believe that an act is murder and that it will continue unabated, what is your moral obligation, if any, to stop it?

How would you stop it if the person committing the immoral act stated he is determined to comtinue?

1,309 posted on 05/31/2009 6:25:54 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, school and passport records.)
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To: TheFourthMagi
A) claim to accept Christ

and

B) fail to do everything possible to protect the lives of innocent little prenatal babies from murder by abortion.

 

Sure they can.  It's called "repentence".

1,310 posted on 05/31/2009 6:28:02 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: prairiebreeze

Who are you to say what Tiller deserved?

I do not think that I had the right to shoot Tiller, so I did not shoot Tiller.

But it would be just as wrong for me to claim that Tiller did not deserve this.

That is for God to decide, don’t you think?


1,311 posted on 05/31/2009 6:28:08 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Tiller's new home


1,312 posted on 05/31/2009 6:29:33 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: CHATTAB

Thank you for your honest reply. That is what I was looking for. We disagree but I respect your honesty.


1,313 posted on 05/31/2009 6:30:55 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (I home school because I have seen the village and I don't want it raising my children.)
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To: Kansas58

Yes. There are some posts on this thread that I agree with.

And Tiller was a ghoul. He makes my skin crawl.

However, I’m also disturbed that the mods have seen fit to insert “Child Murderer” into the titles of some threads. I don’t disagree with the description of course. But are they condoning murder?


1,314 posted on 05/31/2009 6:32:27 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Kansas58

To be honest, I was scared to death. I was raised with strong convictions about abortion and it was never even an option in my mind. Thank you for your kind post anyway.


1,315 posted on 05/31/2009 6:37:09 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (I home school because I have seen the village and I don't want it raising my children.)
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To: EveningStar

Who cares?

Our government refuses to protect the unborn, even the viable babies killed by Tiller.

Our government WILL prosecute Tiller’s killer.

Tiller will receive more respect, under the law, than the babies, and MOTHERS, that Killer Tiller killed!

To me, calling Tiller a child killer is the honest truth.

Tiller’s shooter will be prosecuted. This will prevent the pure anarchy that would happen, otherwise.

However, I refuse to shed a tear for Tiller.

He was a monster, as bad as any other monster in human history.


1,316 posted on 05/31/2009 6:38:27 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: GL of Sector 2814
Scott Roeder (If it is the guy) = abolitionist John Brown
1,317 posted on 05/31/2009 6:41:04 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (We do what we have to do.)
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To: Kansas58

Oh. I agree that he’s a child killer. And I don’t shed any tears for him either.

But these people who murder abortion doctors are giving us a bad name.

Did you see all the pro-life spokespeople condemning this act? Do you think they’re lying? I don’t.


1,318 posted on 05/31/2009 6:45:14 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Kansas58

I’m somebody who does not condone vigilantism. Nor do I condone anarchy.

I don’t agree with abortion overall either, but whether you like it or not, it IS legal in this country. (Doesn’t make it right but it’s legal)

Roeder, if he did this, had no right to do it. God doesn’t approve of Tiller being murdered any more than the abortions Tiller performed.

For Tiller’s life to be taken from him by another person is wrong. Nothing justifies his murder. Nothing.

Two wrongs do not make a right. And this is wrong.


1,319 posted on 05/31/2009 6:48:38 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ( Pretender-in-Chief Barack Hussein Obama....an arrogant embarrassment.)
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To: EveningStar
Hey I never supported the act, either.

I simply say that “murder of abortionists can not be stopped by laws against the murder of abortionists”

And, I ask, “Why can't I be ‘pro-choice’ on the subject of shooting abortionists?”

I would never do it, and I would never encourage anyone else to do it.

But, it is between the shooter and the shooters God, isn't it?

Hey, if my argument doesnt work here, it doesnt work for the pregnant mother, either, does it?????

1,320 posted on 05/31/2009 6:52:39 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Victory Rocks
That wasn't my point. You said we should work to change the law. My point was, that is no longer possible. SCOTUS has denied us that option. The "wound" never heals because fair-minded Americans are not allowed to subject it to the bright cleansing light of legislative debate.

Again, this murder illustrates why SCOTUS should NOT be the business of legislating from the bench. When SCOTUS does so, it disenfranchises millions of Americans who don't share the liberal sentiments of five unelected self-important liberal lawyers in black robes. That isn't good for the country.

1,321 posted on 05/31/2009 6:53:32 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: prairiebreeze

And, God did allow it to happen.

It is entirely possible to believe that the shooter carried out God’s plan, even if the shooter is punished, by God and the Government, for what the shooter did.

It is not your place to judge the shooter.


1,322 posted on 05/31/2009 6:54:32 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: behzinlea

Those who corrupt the law demand that we respect the law that they corrupted.
Such is the way, with tyrants!


1,323 posted on 05/31/2009 7:00:17 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: doug from upland

I’m not celebrating. The POS who killed Tiller has destroyed any chance of ending legalized abortion for another 100 years at least. Now things can only get worse. I also do not rule out the possibility of seeing legalized toddler murder within the next 20 years. America will be ready for it by then.


1,324 posted on 05/31/2009 7:00:45 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Soothesayer
You are ridiculous.
Yes, this hurts the cause, as it is bad for PR.

However, the Unabomber has not slowed down Al Gore, has he?

1,325 posted on 05/31/2009 7:02:14 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

I haven’t read every post on every thread. Not even close. However, here are two points of consideration and they may have already come up.

— How guilty is the *mother* who participates in the abortion?

— This one is paranoid, but I’ll ask it anyway. What if the abortion doctor killers are actually working for the other side in order to discredit the prolife movement? (I told you it was paranoid)


1,326 posted on 05/31/2009 7:02:42 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Loyalist

Amazing isn’t it? First there was John Brown now this one.


1,327 posted on 05/31/2009 7:02:51 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: nufsed
So tell me genius, how is the murder of George Tiller going to stop abortions? Is he the only abortionist in America? I imagine there are many more abortionists to take his place, so it's obvious his death isn't going to prevent more abortions.

I prefer stopping abortion the old fashioned Christian way by voting for pro-life candidates, and by changing people's hearts and minds.

If you think killing abortionists is the way to end abortion than fine, but don't expect any sympathy or kudos from me when you're found guilty of murder and sentenced to life in prison with your new cell mates Bubba and Bruce, who will be more than glad to keep you company.

1,328 posted on 05/31/2009 7:05:30 PM PDT by Victory Rocks (Sarah Palin 2012! The right woman, for the right job, at the right time!)
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To: Soothesayer
How many abortionists have been shot, over the years?

Quite a few, I believe.

The prolife movement will be fine.

This hurts, but it is not something that will stop us from doing what is right.

1,329 posted on 05/31/2009 7:05:32 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
It's late Sunday and I just saw a yahoo update on this!! i was totallly gobsmacked to hear this! :-O

There's a quote from the wife/widow here:
"The slaying of the 67-year-old doctor is "an unspeakable tragedy," his widow, four children and 10 grandchildren said in statement. "This is particularly heart-wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace."

In my mind's eye, however, I read it this way:
"The slaying of the hundreds and thousands of unborn children by this man over the years at all stages of their neonatal development is "an unspeakable tragedy,"..."This is particularly heart-wrenching because these innocent unborn children were murdered in their mothers' wombs, a place of peace."

I do not condone this sort of thing, but as it was said, those who live violently tend die violently.

Prayers going up for his widow and family. May God forgive his soul!
1,330 posted on 05/31/2009 7:06:12 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: Bellflower

What an idiotic thought.


1,331 posted on 05/31/2009 7:07:13 PM PDT by csmusaret (http://www.aipnews.com/)
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To: jwalsh07
God said “Thou shalt not murder.” I don’t think there is much room for debate there no matter who did it.

Funny, I don't hear this line used when we hunt down and kill terrorists in other countries, Somalia or Yemen for example. These killings are in countries against whom we are not at war. I completely support them, as does almost everyone else here, but that doesn't change the fact that they are outside the law.

The worst terrorists in the world today have killed far, far fewer than this man. And we aren't talking about 16 cell embryo's here, we're talking in many cases about babies who are old enough that they could live outside the womb, if given the chance.

Of course, in the case of the terrorists, you might argue that since it is our government doing it, rather than a private citizen, that makes it legal, and thus not murder. Alright then, what about Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe? I have seen hundreds of posts here about how some citizen of Zimbabwe should just take him out (and I agree). I have seen not one post, literally not a single one, saying that God wouldn't approve of that because it was "murder". Yet Miller has killed far more than Mugabe.

So, are our brave soldiers "murderers"? Would someone who stood up to genocide in Rwanda, or Zimbabwe, or Hitler's Germany have been a murderer? Or are you and many others here just hypocrites?
1,332 posted on 05/31/2009 7:07:39 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: EveningStar

Our laws should recognize that people in tough spots need legal and moral guidance.

“deadly force” rules govern how a cop, or an average citizen, should behave in a life or death situation.

Likewise, we need to understand that pregnant women need a frame work that does not say: “Its your decision, and we want you to kill your baby” -— sorry but that is what current law says.


1,333 posted on 05/31/2009 7:07:45 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
And, God did allow it to happen.

By your logic, God allows abortion also. Get over it.

1,334 posted on 05/31/2009 7:08:26 PM PDT by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: Soothesayer

Your post is pure melodramatic overextrapolation.


1,335 posted on 05/31/2009 7:08:32 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: Victory Rocks

I asked a question about moral obligation and equating this killing with terrorism. Is this your answer?


1,336 posted on 05/31/2009 7:09:05 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, school and passport records.)
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To: Kansas58

What a HYPOCRITE! Why would a LOSER like Tiller EVER go to CHURCH??


1,337 posted on 05/31/2009 7:09:13 PM PDT by 2harddrive (then)
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To: Kansas58

OK
Local Fox News says there have been 8, EIGHT murders of abortionists since Roe V. Wade.

We will get through this.

Trust me.


1,338 posted on 05/31/2009 7:09:49 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: nufsed

Absolutely right. It amazes me how many people will not lift a finger to stop murders from happening. For God’s sake this butcher was running an abbatoir. And by condoning this horrific practice this nation is already paying the price.


1,339 posted on 05/31/2009 7:10:22 PM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: TheFourthMagi

I can’t prove these things but my cynicism has never been wrong before.


1,340 posted on 05/31/2009 7:10:53 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Soothesayer

Wrong this time. You underestimate the good side.


1,341 posted on 05/31/2009 7:11:58 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: Kansas58

I’m saying that the woman might be an all too willing participant.

I once heard a lady say that carrying an unwanted child all the way to birth conflicted with her unalienable right of the pursuit of happiness. I’m not joking.


1,342 posted on 05/31/2009 7:12:51 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: eleni121

Many here agree it’s murder. If it’s murder and we know it will contiue,don’t we have a moral obligation to stop it.


1,343 posted on 05/31/2009 7:14:00 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, school and passport records.)
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To: Kansas58

Kinda like a mob boss being knocked off.....I’m not feeling sorry for the scumbag....no matter who did it.


1,344 posted on 05/31/2009 7:14:12 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Kansas58

Then how is it your “job” to judge the abortionist’s actions?? To your line of thinking then, God must have “allowed” the abortions too. That’s like saying God is responsible for evil.

To my line of thinking God is not responsible for the taking of life by man. All of it grieves him.

It will be the job of twelve of the shooters peers to judge this shooter. It’s my job to judge right from wrong.

And this. was. wrong.


1,345 posted on 05/31/2009 7:18:03 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ( Pretender-in-Chief Barack Hussein Obama....an arrogant embarrassment.)
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To: behzinlea
I realize using the political process to deal with this issue is slow and a pain in the neck, but I also said in several previous posts that we should work to change people's hearts and minds, which does work.

I will never be in favor of killing abortionists no matter how vile they are because it only hurts the pro-life cause and makes it much harder to win over those on the fence, and that's a fact.

1,346 posted on 05/31/2009 7:20:23 PM PDT by Victory Rocks (Sarah Palin 2012! The right woman, for the right job, at the right time!)
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To: prairiebreeze
I never said it was right.

I have simply said, from the beginning, that it is:

PREDICTABLE!

When the SCOTUS and other tyrants, in Government, make it impossible to stop or even limit late term abortions, when our government forces ITS WILL, on the people, instead of the other way around:

REBELLION AND VIOLENCE AND VIGILANTISM IS GUARANTEED!

Our government caused this problem.

Our government caused this problem by fiat, by refusing to allow the will of the people to count for anything!

And, the statists and tyrants know FULL WELL, that we will rebel from the moral and financial yokes they have placed on us.

The tyrants and statists know full well that some of us will behave poorly, under the strain.

They will use that bad behavior to justify even more tyrannical behavior, on the part of government.

That is the true danger we face.

The tyrants in government WANT us to behave this way!

As posted previously, however, if ALL prolifers were in favor of killing abortionists, ALL OF THE ABORTIONISTS WOULD ALREADY BE DEAD!!

1,347 posted on 05/31/2009 7:23:40 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

You said it well, thank you.


1,349 posted on 05/31/2009 7:25:01 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Kansas58
would have been wrong, I havent shot at anyone, FYI

type above!

1,350 posted on 05/31/2009 7:27:48 PM PDT by Kansas58
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