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George Tiller (Child Murderer) shot to death at Wichita church
Wichita Eagle ^ | 05/30/2009 | Stan Finger

Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58

Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.

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To: bill1952

Some conservatives would scold Thomas Paine.


301 posted on 05/31/2009 10:33:50 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
The end does not justify the means. This is murder and is wrong.

An Administration already warning of the danger of "right wing" extremists and looking at "preventive detention" will surely be delighted. Politically this will be a resounding victory for pro abortion forces.

302 posted on 05/31/2009 10:33:57 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: EternalVigilance; Mrs. Don-o
No matter how you cut it, the perpetrators and abettors of abortion are responsible for this.

Amen! I am old enough to remember Malcolm X's comment when JFK was assassinated... "Chickens coming home to roost."

All the hand wringing that I have read on this thread makes me sick. I will try to actually pray that this monster did have space to repent of his monstrosity. I will try.

But, you, sir, have nailed the fact of the matter.

303 posted on 05/31/2009 10:34:00 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: jwalsh07

actually, the fear this strikes may thwart some babykillers

pressure ran all the clinics out of Mississippi...there may be one left..and fear does play a part

i’m ambivalent...I get your point but I’m just not concerned about the rest of it

i see a day coming if things don’t change where all our high and mighty musings will be very trivial in reflection

given our new demographics


304 posted on 05/31/2009 10:34:18 AM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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To: whatisthetruth

[ya’ll are soft as butter.

PC run amok, the battle is lost.]

My thoughts exactly.


305 posted on 05/31/2009 10:34:31 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: buccaneer81

May 31 1279 BC Ramses II began his reign. It is also Pentecost.


306 posted on 05/31/2009 10:34:31 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Prince Arugula and Lady Armpit, AKA BO & MO are driving me batty!)
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To: wagglebee
The FACT that this happened on the anniversary of Eric Rudolph’s arrest doesn’t help either.

That isn't a coincidence: that's evidence of planning by someone with knowledge of the violent fringe.

Which could point either to a lone nut who collects such details off the Internet, or to professionals in Washington working a file.

Nothing can be put past lone nuts, but nothing can also be put past students of Saul Alinsky.

Which leaves the question: cui bono?

307 posted on 05/31/2009 10:35:18 AM PDT by Loyalist (Don't like slavery? Don't own one!)
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To: Palladin
-- He was a Lutheran? --

I'll guess it was an ELCA church. We attend one near us from time to time, and in Bible study, the pastor's wife would rave about why abortion was a GOOD thing.

308 posted on 05/31/2009 10:35:20 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Taking Congress back in 2010

Not many KState vanity plates in Wichita.


309 posted on 05/31/2009 10:35:27 AM PDT by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: EternalVigilance
No matter how you cut it, the perpetrators and abettors of abortion are responsible for this. The destruction of respect for, and defense of, innocent human life, is the destruction of the rule of law. The inevitable destination for a nation that does not protect those who are made in God’s image is chaos.

Excellent analysis.

310 posted on 05/31/2009 10:35:32 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Kansas58

When you deal in human death, don’t be shocked when it comes to visit you.


311 posted on 05/31/2009 10:35:38 AM PDT by davetex (If it's in stock, we've got it.)
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To: clintonh8r
His transgressions were far more foul than his killer’s.

Hardy. His killer has done more to advance the political strength of the abortion industry than any other act imaginable. The killer is every bit the scum Tiller was. And you should be ashamed of yourself for even thinking otherwise.

312 posted on 05/31/2009 10:35:41 AM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: freebilly; doug from upland; Lazamataz

Well put, you three. That pretty well summarizes this, from a political perspective.


313 posted on 05/31/2009 10:35:44 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
Tiller killed over 350000 babies since 1969.

That's one an hour every hour for 40 years. Not defending the guy but that number is hard to believe.

314 posted on 05/31/2009 10:35:50 AM PDT by hattend (Sarah Palin has run a fishing business, a city, and a state. All Obama has done is run his mouth.)
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To: PghBaldy
May 31 1279 BC Ramses II began his reign. It is also Pentecost.

Interesting!

315 posted on 05/31/2009 10:35:57 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: reg45

Some of this monster’s innocent victims, whose only crime was to exist, had sisters. Equally tragic? Have you ever bothered to express that sentiment?


316 posted on 05/31/2009 10:35:59 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: KansasGirl
Yes, I'm sure she will be happy about that (but I think she would have preferred that he be alive).

She also knows that she will not meet him in the after life - unless angels can do bus tours of hell.

317 posted on 05/31/2009 10:36:02 AM PDT by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.

318 posted on 05/31/2009 10:36:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Kansas58

I just want to make sure whoever the Admin Moderator on this thread has taken a sedative or some sort of adrenal blocker..it’s too early for a shot

gotta be some nail biting

so...I’ll give it a rest....I reckon I’ve made myself clear anough...time to go be with family


319 posted on 05/31/2009 10:36:30 AM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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To: Oratam

Don’t mischaracterize the movement you purport to understand. It’s the pro-innocent-life movement.

Tiller didn’t qualify.


320 posted on 05/31/2009 10:37:12 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: EternalVigilance
No matter how you cut it, the perpetrators and abettors of abortion are responsible for this.

Exactly. Unless this turns out to have nothing to do with Tiller's "business", which is incredibly unlikely, Tiller's profession made him a target.

321 posted on 05/31/2009 10:37:13 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wardaddy
Look I'll be honest, I see both sides. A side of me wanted to break his neck with my owntwo aging but still strong hands. The rational side of me usually wins out these days but in my misspent youth it was a different story.

Rationally I see this as doing way more harm than good.

Hope all is well with you and yours.

322 posted on 05/31/2009 10:37:16 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Minn

I’m not. Not at all. But thanks for caring.


323 posted on 05/31/2009 10:37:18 AM PDT by clintonh8r (Librerals are more dangerous to liberty than terrorists.)
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To: wardaddy
I don't think it hurts the movement.

Wishful thinking.

Most people are willing to at least contemplate a message of love and life. A message of love and life is hard for opponents to make fun of and sneers against a message of love and life make the opponent look mean-spirited.

When someone assassinates someone, whatever their message was is lost in their action. Minds slam shut. Their message is tainted by their evil action. Their movement is associated with their action...and not the message.

The militia movement is an example. They went from liberty loving survivalists to the people who spawned the evil baby-killing Timothy McVeigh. Their movement stopped dead in its tracks at that point.

The term "Pro-Life assassin" will not ring true to anybody if they actually think about it.

If the fears are true about this being motivated by abortion....it is not good for the Pro-Life people who spend time trying to get out a "Pro-Life" message. We want people to think of innocent babies when they hear "Pro-Life"....not assassins and bombers.
324 posted on 05/31/2009 10:37:34 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: FReepaholic

Or possibly a professional hit man, hired by someone for whatever reason.


325 posted on 05/31/2009 10:37:47 AM PDT by Rannug
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To: Balding_Eagle

Of course he is. But the breakdown of the rule of law is inevitable when the most extreme form of lawlessness - the wanton butchery of the most defenseless among us - is said to be “legal,” and protected. It’s only a matter of time until all law has lost its meaning, and the wheels completely come off our civilization.

Liberty is the ultimate casualty of the loss of a nation’s reverence for the Creator, and respect for the unalienable right to life of the innocent person who was made in His image.


326 posted on 05/31/2009 10:37:50 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (They tell you that conservatism "can't win" because they don't believe in it. Duh...)
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To: EternalVigilance
No matter how you cut it, the perpetrators and abettors of abortion are responsible for this.

I agree. All legal means of preventing or restricting abortion are regularly blocked by the abortion lobby and the government, which on top of that actually privileges abortionists by restricting the First Amendment rights of protestors.

That said, this is a terrible thing because it is going to be used to crack down on pro-life people even harder.

327 posted on 05/31/2009 10:38:15 AM PDT by livius
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To: Kansas58; All; Admin Moderator

This is a sick, vile thread. It should be pulled.


328 posted on 05/31/2009 10:38:26 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: fullchroma; wagglebee; BykrBayb
Damn. This will only make a martyr of Tiller and allow the media to portray pro-lifers as crazy and dangerous.

Kind of ironic, isn't it? One person shoots Tiller and kills him and the liberals will paint the whole pro-life movement as domestic terrorists.

Tiller slaughtered how many babies in some of the more gruesome ways a human being can die, and he's the martyr.

Funny how people have no sympathy for a serial killer who murders pretty young college freshmen or young children, but they do for someone who dismembers, scalds to death, or sucks the brains out of pre-born babies.

I will not shed a tear for him if he feels for eternity all the pain he's inflicted on those poor babies and their mothers.

329 posted on 05/31/2009 10:38:42 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Lazamataz; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; wagglebee; metmom
Until such time as anarchy prevails, this is not the right behavior. Shooting causes more shooting.

Jeepers, Lazamataz, but from where I sit, it looks pretty clear to me that anarchy already does prevail. A major part of the problem is that most people nowadays cannot tell the difference between what is (allegedly) "lawful" and what justice requires.

Just because outright, objective infanticide has been "legalized" (e.g., late-term abortion, refusal to protect born-alive infants), are we then required to say that infanticide is "just?"

When the law no longer serves justice, then it seems pretty clear to me that a state of de facto anarchy already exists. JMHO FWIW.

330 posted on 05/31/2009 10:39:01 AM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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To: Cboldt
We attend one near us from time to time, and in Bible study, the pastor's wife would rave about why abortion was a GOOD thing.

Lots of lightening strikes from AGW in your neck of the woods?

331 posted on 05/31/2009 10:39:10 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: wagglebee

Hadn’t heard about that trial. What was the verdict?


332 posted on 05/31/2009 10:39:11 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: DPMD
Don’t mischaracterize the movement you purport to understand. It’s the pro-innocent-life movement.

Are you endorsing vigilantism?

333 posted on 05/31/2009 10:39:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Palladin
Thank God that George Tiller will not be able to murder any more innocent babies

Here! Here!


334 posted on 05/31/2009 10:39:40 AM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: mass55th

He was found not guilty.


335 posted on 05/31/2009 10:39:44 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: EveningStar

Sorry, Charlie. You are in a very small minority.


336 posted on 05/31/2009 10:39:53 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: EveningStar

If you will read through the thread, you’ll see that the vast majority of posters are not happy about this and are arguing with the people who are.


337 posted on 05/31/2009 10:39:55 AM PDT by livius
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To: SolidWood

A conspiracy such as would be needed for this to work is highly unlikely but one has to wonder how the pro-abortion Obama forces could profit from this.


338 posted on 05/31/2009 10:39:55 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: EternalVigilance

I bet you are sad that you can’t blame the Mormon church for this one, huh?


339 posted on 05/31/2009 10:40:06 AM PDT by freeplancer
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To: Liberty Valance

Yes, here on Fox.....

Abortion Doctor George Tiller Reportedly Killed at Church
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,523581,00.html


340 posted on 05/31/2009 10:40:10 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: KansasGirl

Sadly, though, he probably has an assistant who will be proud to carry on the evil work.


341 posted on 05/31/2009 10:40:10 AM PDT by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: reg45
I agree. What this Tiller did was heinous. But our society sanctioned it. We need to change our society, not vigilante justice on a Sunday morning...this guy needed the electric chair, not a vigilante's bullet. Unsupported vigilantism sets back the pro-life message and movement.
342 posted on 05/31/2009 10:40:19 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the BIGOTS in the enemedia.])
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To: reg45

Tragic, maybe. It is the crime of murder, definitely. But if he were alive I’d want to ask him why he loved abortion so much? no sarcasm intended


343 posted on 05/31/2009 10:40:20 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: DPMD
Don’t mischaracterize the movement you purport to understand. It’s the pro-innocent-life movement.

That distinction is lost on the average Joe on the street.

The movement might want to clarify that distinction in the literature so it is clear to people who it is okay to murder.
344 posted on 05/31/2009 10:40:34 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: doug from upland

Well said. I’m afraid it is too late.


345 posted on 05/31/2009 10:40:35 AM PDT by greyline90
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To: PghBaldy

Here is what Daily Kos people say:

Sad .... (30+ / 0-)
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I hope they throw the book at the extreme wing of the anti-abortion movement — the wing that believes that bombing clinics and shooting providers is the way to win this debate.

I hope we can use many of the anti-terrorism laws and resources to combat this menace.
“Self-regulation is to regulation as self-importance is to importance.” Willem Buiter

by Bronxist on Sun May 31, 2009 at 09:56:19 AM PDT

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This is also horrible because.... (45+ / 0-)
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Dr. Tiller spent much of his time being persecuted and prosecuted by the wingnut right. To have endured what he did all these years and to be murdered for it is truly a heartbreaking loss.
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by Auntie Neo Kawn on Sun May 31, 2009 at 09:48:49 AM PDT

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He was a hero (33+ / 0-)
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He lived a hero, he knew he was a hero, and he died a hero. He showed the bravery that most military fetishist wingnuts can only dream of. To find someone who will replace him, the second question to ask, after “are you qualified,” is “are you a hero?”
They tortured people to get false confessions to fraudulently justify invasion of Iraq.

by Seneca Doane on Sun May 31, 2009 at 09:59:24 AM PDT

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Indeed, (7+ / 0-)
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greatness is often best measured by the amount of hatred that one is willing to endure for the sake of protecting their convictions.
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by Setrak on Sun May 31, 2009 at 10:01:54 AM PDT

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346 posted on 05/31/2009 10:41:18 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Prince Arugula and Lady Armpit, AKA BO & MO are driving me batty!)
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To: wardaddy

“actually, the fear this strikes may thwart some babykillers”

Yup...that’s exactly what happened the last time some abortionists were taken out. Many “doctors” left this field of endeavor and the clinics were bellyaching that they couldn’t find anyone to do hit-jobs on babies.


347 posted on 05/31/2009 10:41:22 AM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: EternalVigilance
But the breakdown of the rule of law is inevitable when the most extreme form of lawlessness...

Well, we all truly know deep down inside that the US Constitution really doesn't mean anything anymore.

348 posted on 05/31/2009 10:41:24 AM PDT by MichiganConservative ($2 trillion in secret loans since late 2008. Audit the federal reserve. Support HR 1207.)
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To: cranked

It’s Sunday, all the newsies are sleeping off their hangovers.


349 posted on 05/31/2009 10:41:32 AM PDT by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: Carry_Okie

I strongly disagree.

We do not have to walk on egg shells here.

Tiller deserved to be punished, however:

THE COUNTRY DESERVED A GOVERNMENT STRONG ENOUGH TO PUNISH TILLER UNDER THE RULE OF LAW!

It is our country that failed, in this matter, every bit as much as the shooter failed to let the system work, it is the system, itself, that HAS NOT WORKED -— yet!


350 posted on 05/31/2009 10:41:34 AM PDT by Kansas58
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