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George Tiller (Child Murderer) shot to death at Wichita church
Wichita Eagle ^ | 05/30/2009 | Stan Finger

Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58

Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.

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To: IDRATHERNOT

If empathy is a sought-after trait in a Supreme Court justice, it should also be appropriate for a potential juror.

Make that a jury of two for nullification.


351 posted on 05/31/2009 10:41:43 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: livius

There are way too many bad posts here.


352 posted on 05/31/2009 10:42:19 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: qwertypie
Thank you. Enough whining about what the LEFT thinks or says about us. WHO CARES!!! THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO IMPOSE THEIR GODLESS NWO AGENDA ON US ANYWAY. The battle is now beginning so get ready.
353 posted on 05/31/2009 10:42:19 AM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: SeattleBruce

I couldn’t agree with you more.


354 posted on 05/31/2009 10:42:32 AM PDT by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: Battle Axe
-- What if it turns out that the shooter was the father of one of the aborted children? --

My first speculation was along those lines. Somebody's wife, girlfriend or daughter suffered serious emotional damage post-abortion. Non-random murder is usually over something personal.

It's less likely (but certainly quite possible) the shooter didn't have a personal attachment, and was acting "on principle." (scare quotes for obvious reasons, I'm sure honest readers understand the sort of person meant to be described by that phrase).

355 posted on 05/31/2009 10:42:38 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: EternalVigilance
Liberty is the ultimate casualty of the loss of a nation’s reverence for the Creator, and respect for the unalienable right to life of the innocent person who was made in His image.

Amen. Well stated.

356 posted on 05/31/2009 10:42:49 AM PDT by Faith
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To: newfreep
That wasn't my quote, but here's one link I found about her and Tiller on Google:

Sebelius Unfit For HHS Post - Facts About Her Connections To The Abortion Cartel

357 posted on 05/31/2009 10:43:06 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Lancey Howard

Thanks
It was pure luck -—
Went on my email, noticed a “breaking news” item from the Wichita Eagle.
I ignore 99% of them.
Not this time!
I shuddered and knew it was big.
And it was.


358 posted on 05/31/2009 10:43:21 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: JimSEA

Funny you should say that.

I wouldn’t put it past this administration to stage an event like this to advance their agenda.


359 posted on 05/31/2009 10:43:23 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: reg45

I wonder if they will at least close down his abortion mills for a few days “In Memoriam”?


360 posted on 05/31/2009 10:43:39 AM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: Oratam; Kansas58; wagglebee; Coleus; NYer
If true, this will be used to shame and silence the pro-life movement.

Only if we let it. Whenever a pro-lifer hears the movement condemned because of the actions of this one person, they need to be clear that the pro-life movement condemns murder, period.

This was not done by, condoned, or sanctioned by the pro-life movement, it was done by an individual.

361 posted on 05/31/2009 10:43:45 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Kansas58

I will certainly condemn this horrible murder.

But I cannot mourn it.


362 posted on 05/31/2009 10:43:47 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: freeplancer; EternalVigilance
I bet you are sad that you can’t blame the Mormon church for this one, huh?

Take your condescending victimhood somewhere else.

363 posted on 05/31/2009 10:44:13 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: oldfart
A conspiracy such as would be needed for this to work is highly unlikely but one has to wonder how the pro-abortion Obama forces could profit from this.

Blackpaint the pro-life movement as terrorist. Gun control. Making a martyr out of Tiller. Covering for Sebelius and Sotomayor. The list goes on.

364 posted on 05/31/2009 10:44:26 AM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to become slaves of Washington.")
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To: Palladin
I wonder if they will at least close down his abortion mills for a few days “In Memoriam”?

The feds will spend our tax dollars to fortify and guard them.

365 posted on 05/31/2009 10:44:42 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: JimSEA

Thank you for posting all the way from THAILAND with this pearl of wisdom.


366 posted on 05/31/2009 10:44:50 AM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: Kansas58

The real man bites dog story here is that Tiller was on his way to church!


367 posted on 05/31/2009 10:44:53 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: SMCC1; All

“Just saw this on Fox News. Wow. This will not help the pro-life cause.”

What if we framed the debate the way KOS and the Democrat-worshipping media would?

Say it’s not “Murder”, but a “Very-late term Abortion”. Would that make them feel better???


368 posted on 05/31/2009 10:44:56 AM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: DPMD

Don’t mischaracterize the movement you purport to understand. It’s the pro-innocent-life movement.

Tiller didn’t qualify.
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Would you suggest we gun down vigilante style all those who violate God’s laws? Come on, you KNOW this was wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Wrong morally, wrong tactics, wrong for the pro-innocent life movement.

There are MUCH better ways to achieve a much greater impact. The person that did this was stupid and would have much better served the movement by supporting the removal of Tiller’s license and stronger pro-life laws, locally and eventually nationally.

We are a nation of laws - unless we’re prepared to spit upon the Constitution and the Scriptures (do we know what the Torah is??) and I don’t think any of us in the pro innocent life movement is going to advocate that.

Are you?


369 posted on 05/31/2009 10:44:56 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the BIGOTS in the enemedia.])
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To: PghBaldy

They see him as a hero? Hey, even Hitler had people justifying what he did. You can create your own world and justify anything. They have done that with the murder of the most innocent and see nothing wrong with it.


370 posted on 05/31/2009 10:44:59 AM PDT by doug from upland (10 million views of .HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: EveningStar

You could start a thread citing Tiller’s many accomplishments. You know...sort of as an antidote to this one.


371 posted on 05/31/2009 10:45:15 AM PDT by clintonh8r (Librerals are more dangerous to liberty than terrorists.)
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To: Crazieman

Wasn’t really trying to be very sneaky, eh? Makes me wonder if he’ll be found alive.


372 posted on 05/31/2009 10:45:30 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: metmom; Oratam; Kansas58; Coleus; NYer; EternalVigilance; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
This was not done by, condoned, or sanctioned by the pro-life movement, it was done by an individual.

Exactly, it was done by a MURDERER who has no more respect for the sanctity of human life than Tiller did.

373 posted on 05/31/2009 10:45:33 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: doug from upland

And the Irgun were terrorists for hitting the King David hotel. Right?


374 posted on 05/31/2009 10:45:34 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: BenLurkin

He goes to this church because they support abortion:

From the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America’s website:
http://www.elca.org/What-We-Believe/New-or-Returning-to-Church/Dig-Deeper/Abortion.aspx
Abortion (Lutheran view)

The ELCA Social Statement on Abortion , adopted by the 1991 Churchwide Assembly, acknowledges the issue’s complexity, noting that it “evokes strong and varied convictions about ... human life and responsibility, freedom and limits.” The statement also offers useful guidance: “A developing life in the womb does not have an absolute right to be born, nor does a pregnant woman have an absolute right to terminate a pregnancy. The concern for both the life of the woman and the developing life in her womb expresses a common commitment to life.”

A last resort
“The strong Christian presumption is to preserve and protect life,” the statement says. “Abortion ought to be an option only of last resort. Therefore, as a church we seek to reduce the need to turn to abortion. ...We also deplore the circumstances that lead a woman to consider abortion as the best option available to her.”

The statement adds: “The church recognizes that there can be sound reasons for ending a pregnancy through induced abortion.” These are the threat to a woman’s physical life; when pregnancy has resulted from rape, incest or sexual violence; and fetal abnormalities incompatible with life.

Basic faith convictions undergird the ELCA statement. Created in God’s image, we see all of life as a mysterious, awesome gift. As a community of forgiven sinners, Christians are free to make just and caring choices. In fact, the statement says, “we have both the freedom and the obligation to engage in serious deliberation on moral matters.” A compassionate community, praying and standing with those in struggle, is called neither to judge nor justify but to support people making difficult moral decisions.

The Lutheran | August 2000 | Since You Asked
By Norma and Burton Everist


375 posted on 05/31/2009 10:45:41 AM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: tcrlaf
Yes!

This was a post-birth abortion!

376 posted on 05/31/2009 10:45:54 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: wagglebee

Then we have to make the case that this killer is no more representative of the pro-life movement as a whole than Theodore Kascynsky (killed 3, injured 23) was representative of all environmentalists or Al Gore supporters.


377 posted on 05/31/2009 10:46:06 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: GnuHere
Wasn’t really trying to be very sneaky, eh? Makes me wonder if he’ll be found alive.

I had the same thought.

378 posted on 05/31/2009 10:46:17 AM PDT by livius
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To: freebilly

Perhaps, but it is good for the babies he was planning to murder this week..


379 posted on 05/31/2009 10:46:25 AM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: doug from upland

I am personally opposed to the murder of a lower than scum abortionist.

But..............


380 posted on 05/31/2009 10:46:40 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: Palladin
I'm sure Tiller gave the Church thousands in tithes which helped the church look the other way. Yes, sinners are supposed to go to church. But true repentance, which is imperative for a Christian, would necessitate turning away from sinful actions and to pray every day for God's help in not repeating those actions. I just can't see any repentance in the life of Tiller even though he goes to church.

Although this may prove to be a little bit of a quandary for those liberals who are swift to attach hypocrisy to every Christian. They can't defend their abortion stance and call Tiller a hypocrite for going to church at the same time. If they try to defend Tiller as a good Christian then they can't point the "hypocrite" finger at Christians any more.

381 posted on 05/31/2009 10:46:43 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (I plan to give the new President the same respect and dignity the other side gave Bush.)
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To: Faith
"It is sad that a church would not have helped this man to rethink his life’s work, but this is the way the devil works."

Somebody earlier on this thread said that the church (Reformed Lutheran?) was pro-abortion. He probably searched for a church until he found one that suited his needs. He obviously wasn't interested in rethinking his life's work.

382 posted on 05/31/2009 10:47:14 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Balding_Eagle
Well, a whole lot of Freepers on this thread are just ‘playing nice’ so we don’t get wacked by the Leftists.

That's why I'm not posting.

383 posted on 05/31/2009 10:47:14 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Confirm thy soul in self-control, thy liberty in law.)
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To: Kansas58

Whoever did this is as bad as Tiller. There is no excuse for this. I hope they catch the SOB and try him. Whoever did it deserves due process that’s more than Tiller and the killer ever gave anyone.


384 posted on 05/31/2009 10:47:16 AM PDT by DOGEY
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Operation Rescue Statement:

"We are shocked at this morning’s disturbing news that Mr. Tiller was gunned down. Operation Rescue has worked for years through peaceful, legal means, and through the proper channels to see him brought to justice. We denounce vigilantism and the cowardly act that took place this morning. We pray for Mr. Tiller’s family that they will find comfort and healing that can only be found in Jesus Christ."
385 posted on 05/31/2009 10:47:28 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Big Giant Head

I think he have been a trainer.


386 posted on 05/31/2009 10:47:43 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: EveningStar; livius

Tiller’s “specialty” was late-term abortions of babies who were capable of living outside the womb. It is very difficult to sympathize with someone who does that, though I will certainly pray for his soul. I have not seen a single comment on this thread supporting the murderer.


387 posted on 05/31/2009 10:48:03 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
...somebody lost her brother today. That is tragic.

The true tragedy is in the lost lives of those unborn children at the hand of Tiller.

While I won't celebrate, diminish or glorify his death in any way, Tiller's murder is not tragic.

388 posted on 05/31/2009 10:48:12 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: freeplancer; Admin Moderator
I bet you are sad that you can’t blame the Mormon church for this one, huh?

You have mental problems.

Mods, this freak has been told to stay away from me, since he's made physical threats against me and my family in the past.

I have no earthly idea why you let him come back the first time.

389 posted on 05/31/2009 10:48:28 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (They tell you that conservatism "can't win" because they don't believe in it. Duh...)
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To: Arkinsaw

I am really glad they issued a statement.


390 posted on 05/31/2009 10:48:45 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: SolidWood

WE JUST LOST FOR FOREVER. THE OTHER SIDE WAS WON. THIS IS THE EVENT THAT THE DEMS AND OTHER LEFTISTS WILL NEED TO FULFILL THEIR AGENDA...


391 posted on 05/31/2009 10:48:54 AM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: Palladin

“actually, the fear this strikes may thwart some babykillers”

Yup...that’s exactly what happened the last time some abortionists were taken out. Many “doctors” left this field of endeavor and the clinics were bellyaching that they couldn’t find anyone to do hit-jobs on babies.
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Do we respect the Constitution and rule of law or not? We can’t have it both ways - and I’m as PROLIFE as they come!! Bad for the movement. A setback today. We need to fight this battle in society.

And it’s a shame as for the first time since 1995, more people ID’d themselves as pro-life than pro-choice...why are we going to toss away decades of dedicated work, for some craziness like this? We’ve got to think of the greatest good for the most unborn. I know that what Tiller did was heinous.


392 posted on 05/31/2009 10:49:14 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the BIGOTS in the enemedia.])
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To: Cboldt

#244


393 posted on 05/31/2009 10:49:33 AM PDT by Jeffrey_D.
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To: jwalsh07
-- Lots of lightening strikes from AGW in your neck of the woods? --

Not yet ;-)

Maine isn't a hotspot for storms of any sort. We do get some of that AAR (antropogenic acid rain), but the warming parts hasn't manifested.

As to the ELCA's position on abortion, I was quite taken aback. I grew up LCMS, and had no idea that the ELCA was so radically different. Not a happy thing to learn, but I'd rather know it than not.

394 posted on 05/31/2009 10:49:33 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Exactly.


395 posted on 05/31/2009 10:49:44 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: newfreep

“This was a post-birth abortion!”

The left couldn’t POSSIBLY cry out about very-late term abortion, could they??

IMAGINE THE OUTCRY?


396 posted on 05/31/2009 10:49:50 AM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: Arkinsaw

Well stated.


397 posted on 05/31/2009 10:50:00 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: yield 2 the right

Are you French?


398 posted on 05/31/2009 10:50:03 AM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to become slaves of Washington.")
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To: wardaddy
Threads like this one remind me of others throught he past ten years where you really get to see the rubber hit the road. Eye opener.

Indeed. You talk great smack on the internet from the safety of your own home. Let us know when you take the perp walk for "Standing up for aborted children".

399 posted on 05/31/2009 10:50:03 AM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: Arkinsaw

Good find.
I think it sums it up the feelings of most freepers on this thread as well.


400 posted on 05/31/2009 10:50:15 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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