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George Tiller (Child Murderer) shot to death at Wichita church
Wichita Eagle ^ | 05/30/2009 | Stan Finger

Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58

Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.

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To: staytrue
It is not a crime now. It used to be a crime, It may be a crime later, but it is not now.

I'm not talking about the made up travesty of Roe v. Wade. I'm talking about natural law.

751 posted on 05/31/2009 12:17:00 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: CHATTAB
Finally! An honest answer.

LOL! Well I tried to wait for one of the 'law-abiding' pro-lifers to respond but I see none were forthcoming. These pro-lifers are the same ones who cringe when people hold up signs of aborted fetuses at abortion clinics.

Extreme times call for extreme measures, obviously abortion on demand for the past 40 years at the cost of millions upon millions of slauightered babies is not extreme enough but to a few.

And now we have the most radical Tiller-like abortion President in the history of this nation with a rubber-stamping pro death Congress to complement him, well done pro-life movement.

752 posted on 05/31/2009 12:17:23 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
Because, as evil as Tiller was, murder is murder. As noted in the post you were responding to, somebody lost her brother today. That is tragic.

It is an interesting philosophical question. Is it tragic when evil men are killed? Was the hanging of Mussolini tragic? Is the execution of a murderer tragic? Can it be tragic and justified at the same time?

This was an extra-judicial killing so it stands outside the law. It was a crime, certainly.

753 posted on 05/31/2009 12:17:30 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: wardaddy
LOL...you started it son. But I’ll give you last insult

True. I did....and the book is Neuromancer, darn spell checkers. I know you feel strongly man....I apologize for taking it out on you. I will say that many posts on this thread help nothing for Pro-Lifers.....IMHO.

754 posted on 05/31/2009 12:17:32 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: Free Descendant

“If just ONE baby’s life is saved by Tiller’s death, that is a good thing.”

And if its about saving lives,,,
Who can doubt that Sarah, with her bravery, positive example, and clear display that the world doesnt end if you have a downs baby, saved more lives than this murderer and his treachery ever could have?


755 posted on 05/31/2009 12:17:54 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: driftdiver

Calm down. Declaring that “we are no longer a nation under the rule of law” is ridiculous. We have plenty of leaders who are violating the laws but if anyone can simply stand up, declare that the rule of law has ended and use that to justify taking matters into his own hands—which is what you just now did—then you have justified pure anarchy. No, at present most people are not taking matters into their own hands and so you can make such foolish statements without suffering the consequences that true widespread anarchy would bring—immense suffering for everyone.

But as a statement, what you wrote justifies pure anarchy.

Be careful what you ask for. You might get it.


756 posted on 05/31/2009 12:18:22 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Free Descendant

Don’t you know that Mohammed stole that from the Talmud?

Mohammed never had an original thought in his life.


757 posted on 05/31/2009 12:18:29 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: Gene Eric
Killing a fetus in the womb is legal. Murdering the authorized killer of the fetus is not legal. That’s the bottom line.

Based on your reasoning, those who ran the Nazi death camps and were prosecuted, convicted and executed were innocent because they were following the law.

While what the killer did was wrong, I'll lose no sleep over the death of Tiller.

758 posted on 05/31/2009 12:18:58 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Free Descendant
I think it neither helps nor hurts either side. I can't see the logic behind someone who on the fence regarding abortion, (how they can be on the fence about the late terms abortions this creep performed is another matter) suddenly deciding it's okay to kill babies because someone murdered him.
759 posted on 05/31/2009 12:19:18 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Houghton M.

Good points.


760 posted on 05/31/2009 12:19:29 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: Graybeard58

I’ve always wondered that, and why those posts stayed up. Very strange.


761 posted on 05/31/2009 12:19:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (They tell you that conservatism "can't win" because they don't believe in it. Duh...)
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To: whatisthetruth
Well I tried to wait for one of the 'law-abiding' pro-lifers to respond but I see none were forthcoming.

Might try #702

762 posted on 05/31/2009 12:19:39 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: SeaHawkFan

I suppose it would be bad form for me to suggest a defence fund for the guy they’ve picked up...


763 posted on 05/31/2009 12:20:59 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: Palladin

Either way it’s not the word of God. Only the One can save the world.


764 posted on 05/31/2009 12:21:07 PM PDT by Free Descendant (Palin Power!)
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To: whatisthetruth

What chapter and verse says to murder someone in church, in jesus name?


765 posted on 05/31/2009 12:21:08 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Dear P-Marlowe,

Yours is a more optimistic reading of events than mine. I hope that you're right. But I'm skeptical.

“My cat killed a little mouse last night. I felt really bad about that. I could only wish that I had a heart that could feel bad for Mr. Tiller. In this case, I feel sorrier for the cat.”

Not me. It's quite likely that Mr. Tiller is burning in Hell. It's true that if he is, he certainly got there the old-fashioned way; he earned it. But we are all sinners and apart from the mercy of Christ, we all deserve the same fate. It makes me sad to think that this person is likely in Hell.


sitetest

766 posted on 05/31/2009 12:21:09 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: whatisthetruth

“Extreme times call for extreme measures, obviously abortion on demand for the past 40 years at the cost of millions upon millions of slauightered babies is not extreme enough but to a few.”

I’m with you on this. If anything, prolifers will redouble their efforts to see abortion beaten JUSTLY and LEGALLY so that we don’t all have to become assassins.

We can start by lobbying against proabortion nominees for the Supreme Court.


767 posted on 05/31/2009 12:21:47 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
wardaddy is most commonly prison slang both here and in the US.

bulldaddy is another one..means the same...kinda like range boss but meaner

it's a joke....”will you be my wardaddy, my protector sort of”

I first heard it in Sierra Leone from Brit security guys and we used to laugh about it quite a bit...in the joint a wardaddy is the punk boss ( but not always about punks), hence when things would get weird folks would joke about how they needed a wardaddy to look out for them

silly male adult humor like ranting about female genitalia or breasts

folks think it's military or snake eater stuff but it's not

anyhow...it stuck from long ago and folks who know me from the mid 80s on call me that a lot..even my kids do when teasing me

768 posted on 05/31/2009 12:21:47 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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To: Salthawk

That would make sense. Gardner is along I-35. It is a straight shot right up I-34 from Wichita to Merriam.


769 posted on 05/31/2009 12:21:48 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: DesertRhino
Who can doubt that Sarah, with her bravery, positive example, and clear display that the world doesnt end if you have a downs baby, saved more lives than this murderer and his treachery ever could have?

Indeed!

770 posted on 05/31/2009 12:21:57 PM PDT by Free Descendant (Palin Power!)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Obamacide?

Maybe Sebeliuside? But yeah, this wreaks of a professional hit. We'll let the press tell us. If this was the misguided work of a right wing extremist the press will let us know 24/7. If this was cleaning up some Democrat dirty laundry then the story will quickly die.
771 posted on 05/31/2009 12:22:04 PM PDT by BJClinton (One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: wardaddy
I have no sympathy for his shooting..zero

Whether you have any sympathy or not has little bearing on whether this event will have a negative impact on the Pro-Life movement. In fact, almost approaching none. Your sympathy level is not really a logical debating point.
772 posted on 05/31/2009 12:22:16 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Kansas58

That is logic for thinking people; too bad there aren’t many of those in an unruly mob (or the sheeple population).


773 posted on 05/31/2009 12:22:29 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: ScreamingFist

fair enough ...I can be mean on here..I know it.

i apologize too.


774 posted on 05/31/2009 12:22:38 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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To: Free Descendant

Which One? Satan? Obama? Allah?


775 posted on 05/31/2009 12:22:50 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: Houghton M.

“Calm down.”

I am calm, just because you don’t agree is not cause to accuse me of hysterics. Is your argument that weak?

“Declaring that “we are no longer a nation under the rule of law” is ridiculous. “

Really? Then why do our govt officials ignore the law? Why does the average person only have rights IF they have $$ and a good lawyer?

Anarchy does bring suffering for everyone. Look at our economy. Just because people haven’t resorted to wholesale bloodshed does not mean we are not in a state of anarchy.


776 posted on 05/31/2009 12:23:20 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SolidWood

Possibly.


777 posted on 05/31/2009 12:23:27 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: wardaddy

What’s more disturbing about this thread is all the handwringing over folks saying the truth about a man who literally killed thousands and thousands of babies...many that were viable.

That is what’s effed up here.

And from some folks I respected.

This guy wa a monster period.

Did you cry when Dahmer got killed in the joint?

Would you worry about Manson?

nothing personal but ya’ll are soft as butter.

I make no apologies whatsoever, folks here will be ill prepared for where we’re headed.

__________________________
WELL SAID!


778 posted on 05/31/2009 12:23:56 PM PDT by mojitojoe (The American Revolution: 70% of the people were loyal to the King, The other 30% founded a nation.)
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To: driftdiver; Houghton M.
In the US today you get all the justice you can afford.
779 posted on 05/31/2009 12:24:27 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Two terms for politicians, one in office, one in jail.))
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To: jennyjenny
I can't see the logic behind someone who on the fence regarding abortion, (how they can be on the fence about the late terms abortions this creep performed is another matter) suddenly deciding it's okay to kill babies because someone murdered him.

Since when did human beings behave logically? The reality is that it will affect people. This will be used to paint pro-lifers as a dangerous, fringe element and that will reduce the number of fence sitters who decide to take a pro-life position.

780 posted on 05/31/2009 12:24:53 PM PDT by Free Descendant (Palin Power!)
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To: BJClinton

You may be right. A professional would strike when Tiller’s guard was down—at Church ona Sunday morning.

An amateur might have tried to get him on his way into the clinic, when he was always escorted by bodyguards.

I hear an arrest has been made. We will soon know motive, I think.


781 posted on 05/31/2009 12:25:19 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: Cedric
Try to be “politically correct” would you?

We are NOT ALLOWED to be:

“PRO CHOICE” on the subject of vigilante justice!

782 posted on 05/31/2009 12:25:32 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

I also would never condone such an action. That said, I don’t feel bad about it.


783 posted on 05/31/2009 12:25:37 PM PDT by ShandaLear (I LOVE RUSH!)
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To: Palladin

Neo :P


784 posted on 05/31/2009 12:26:09 PM PDT by Free Descendant (Palin Power!)
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Killing is evil and I join those who condemn the murder. And yes, this will be used to savage the pro-life movement. But there is also a chilling reality: some innocent child may live because of this murder. Surely the “doctor” had a schedule of appointments for next week.
785 posted on 05/31/2009 12:26:22 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop
BB: When the law no longer serves justice, then it seems pretty clear to me that a state of de facto anarchy already exists.

You are so spot on!

Lets put the blame where it deserves to be, the courts. They imposed these vile practices on us with out our consent. If the issue of abortion had been handled through the legislative process we may not have liked the results, but we would have had a say in it and could reform it if we could garner enough support.

I'm praying that the killer gives himself up before any innocent person is hurt.

786 posted on 05/31/2009 12:26:28 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: SeaHawkFan

I am reminded of an American General, who, when he saw the horrors of the Nazi death camp, told the towns people to clean it up because he wanted them to saw what they had tolerated. What did he want them to do about it before the camp was liberated? picket? Aren’t the heroes those who risked EVERYTHING to save others? Even at the cost of killing those who were killing the innocent?


787 posted on 05/31/2009 12:26:33 PM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: livius

What planet have YOU been living on? Is this some sudden new revelation for you?

They’ve been blaming us for everything for DECADES. What will change? It should be status quo then, right? What changes? NOTHING!

You need to start looking at the administration for blame and damage for this. Don’t you find it convenient, after recent polls, combined with the fear this administration would love to instill in churchgoers?

STOP the inward viewpoint. You’re not helping anything with you’re warped POV.

The rules of human nature suggest that murder is done for selfish reasons, not causal ones. To believe otherwise is akin to insanity.


788 posted on 05/31/2009 12:26:57 PM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: Palladin

Elder is what LCMS calls the position. Vestry is Catholic and Episcopalian and others.
I’d forgotten the other details.....thanks!


789 posted on 05/31/2009 12:27:29 PM PDT by Jeffrey_D.
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To: driftdiver

Talk is cheap. If you really think that we are living in real anarchy now. We have widespread injustice, abuse of power etc. but we are not yet in a situation of complete anarchy. But your statement was a justification of complete anarchy. If you truly understood what anarchy, total lawlessness, is like, you would not make such irresponsible statements. We cannot overcome the mess we find ourselves in by justifying vigilanteeism or anarchy.


790 posted on 05/31/2009 12:28:12 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: mad_as_he$$
In the US today you get all the justice you can afford.

The best laws money can by.

791 posted on 05/31/2009 12:28:13 PM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: Kansas58

Evidently tearing helpless infants to pieces is quite all right, but going to church is dangerous as hell, huh Doc?


792 posted on 05/31/2009 12:29:34 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: eccentric

Exactly.


793 posted on 05/31/2009 12:29:57 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Two terms for politicians, one in office, one in jail.))
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To: SeattleBruce
Be srong.

The Unabomber did not hurt Al Gore.
Wiliam Ayers did not hurt the “peace movement”.

This will only help the other side if we let it.

794 posted on 05/31/2009 12:30:13 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: eccentric

See #702. Curious if you’ll answer those questions.


795 posted on 05/31/2009 12:30:23 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: eccentric

Excellent point.


796 posted on 05/31/2009 12:30:46 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: BJClinton

“If this was cleaning up some Democrat dirty laundry then the story will quickly die.”

I hope you are right. But I fear that even if this was a professional hit, it was planned in such a way as to hide the trail sufficiently to be able to still blame it on prolifers and to kill two birds with one stone: eliminate the threat to exposing Sebelius while at the same time do the Reichstag fire needed for FOCA etc.

I hope I’m wrong.


797 posted on 05/31/2009 12:31:14 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: big'ol_freeper

In your religion-tinted eyes, I guess I am as responsible as Tiller. Big deal.


798 posted on 05/31/2009 12:31:16 PM PDT by CHATTAB
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To: sitetest
It makes me sad to think that this person is likely in Hell.

There are a lot of "very nice" people who are going to end up in Hell. I feel very sad for them.

George Tiller had a long time to repent of his sins and instead he mocked God by destroying his creation hundreds of thousands of times.

Surely while we all deserve hell because God's standard is perfection, I think we can say without hesitation that there are a number of people who have lived on this planet who deserve no mercy when they stand before God. I believe that one of those people just found out the hard way that every knee shall bow.

Now I do feel sorry for all the members of George Tiller's church who welcomed him with open arms into their congregation and who never themselves used their own hands to shed innocent blood. Unless they turn from their sins and repent, they will likely all end up in fellowship with George Tiller forever.

799 posted on 05/31/2009 12:32:24 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: mojitojoe
While I do not rejoice in this I am unmoved by appeals to sanctimony. I will join those who mourn the assassination of Tiller when I hear from them their outrage at the attempted assassination of Hitler depicted in "Valkyrie," aided and abetted by the Lutheran theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

Yes it was outside the law, but who lamented the killings of Uday and Qusay Hussein? They never got a trial either. If you doubt the moral relevance of the comparison ask who killed more innocent victims.

800 posted on 05/31/2009 12:32:27 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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