Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58
Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.
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Try #702. Would be interested in your answers to the questions.
Get over it
And if many babies lives are lost due to the political fallout and the marginalization of the pro-life cause, is it a good thing. If the power of the statist now running the show in every aspect of everybody's life is strengthened, is that a good thing as well?
Damn. This will only make a martyr of Tiller and allow the media to portray pro-lifers as crazy and dangerous.
The MSM has already been doing that for decades. And famous dead leftists are ALWAYS heroes or martyrs to these people.
Another reason to stand up for Sarah if she decides to run for POTUS in 2012.
Support Sarah and prevent the GOP from nominating another RINO.
Are the Obamanistas that clever and Machiavellian?
I think you give them too much credit.
Unless the Teleprompter of the United States is behind it all.
>> Based on your reasoning, those who ran the Nazi death camps ...
Huh? That’s your reasoning, not mine.
For the same reason a sick person goes to a doctor?
That goes without saying! Sarah 2012!
TILLER SUSPECT IN CUSTODY (KAKE Ch10 Wichita)
KAKE News | 5/31/09
Posted on 05/31/2009 12:15:41 PM PDT by Crazieman
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2261712/posts
Another very good point!
I wouldn’t put it past this administration to stage an event like this to advance their agenda.
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That thought crossed my mind too.
I know,I know, I couldn't resist.
“Are the Obamanistas that clever and Machiavellian?”
If you need to ask, you haven’t yet grasped what we are up against. Yes, they are that clever and Machiavellian, such that they could have done it in this way.
But that doesn’t mean that that’s what happened. It could just as well have been a crazed anti-abortionist. We may or may not find out, eventually.
Unfortunately, doing church properly tends to be a messy business, where you meet all kinds of people with all manner of hangups, problems and besetting sins. A church that doesnt let sinners through its doors is going to be very empty.
Try reading Exodus chapter 21. You might be surprised how many things call for death.
The death of any Human being should be no cause for celebration.
Please explain if you feel the same in other situations such as:
Some doctors are interested in taking lives — and apparently this church considers saving lives optional.
As for saving souls? Dunno. A church that embraces a monster like the decedent is likely to be one of those phony “Jesus was a good man” places.
Exceptions are morally acceptable, if necessary to restrict, regulate, and reduce abortions.
“no exceptions, no compromise” gets us “no progress!!”
It might very well be. I hope not.
The Church obviously is made up of sinners - we all fall short of the Glory of God. That being said, a Church that permits someone to attend that has ongoing sin issues should first confront that person and if it continues bring it before the Church. This is clearly taught in Matthew 18. If that person persists in that sin he is to be disfellowshipped. This church obviously does not follow Scriptural prescription in this instance.
Perhaps a better metaphor would be bringing an extinguisher to a fire.
Guess you haven't hear about the run on guns and the sudden lack of ammo, you think everyone's getting them due to a new found hobby? Violence is already here, it just hasn't broken out yet.
Exceptions and compromise gets us no moral ground to even oppose...hence reverse progress.
Bottom line: The world is a better place today without George Tiller.
Don’t you ever believe that prolifers will roll over and play dead becuse of any media blitz agains tus as the result of today’s elimination of a very very bad man!
We will never be marginalized...not as long as we have the strength of the Catholic Church behind us, and the many Christian and Orthodox denominations, and the Hasidic and Conservative Jews, and the many unchurched of good heart who all oppose the wanton taking of innocent human life.
Most abortionists themselves will not approach the partial-birth method with a ten-foot pole and did not approve of Tiller. Tiller was not a hero among his fellow Death Doctors.
You sound like you are very new to the prolife movement (if you are prolife at all, and not a media troll).
I really don’t care if a person performs abortions. I’m not on the side that says abortion is murder of the innocent unborn. Therefore, I certainly would not advocate going out and wacking people who perform abortions.
“Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.”
Tiller the Killer seeking forgiveness?
The point is to pray for a sinners repentance, not rejoice when he dies in his sins and is taken to hell. If I was this mans pastor, I would fear judgment day much more than he should. For the pastor's job is to Sheppard his flock. Tiller obviously was not very open to that.
Until there is clear evidence I am not going to accuse Obama of a ‘Reichstag fire’ scenario, but as I have already stated elsewhere I firmly believe that Obama will exploit this scenario for all it is worth in these 5 areas:
1)blaming the pro-life community for Tiller’s death
2)and along with #1 effect an attack on Sarah Palin for political gain
3)as a reason to promote gun control
4)as a way to marginalize conservatives as right-wing extremists
5)as a way to attack Fox News and right-wing talk radio for Tiller’s death
NOBODY has said that this is the best or only way to advance the prolife cause.
MANY have said that this will hurt the cause.
Some, me included, have said that we understand why this has happened.
That does not mean that I support violence, or advocate violence, it means that our system is not working, currently, and that some people have given up hope.
How about some support for the 1st Amendment?
How about some courage?
How about the idea that this is a complicated situation?
How about the hypocrisy on the left?
What is wrong with demands that the LEFT apologize for William Ayers, if we are to apologize for this shooter?
I am not responsible for this vigilante, therefore:
I REFUSE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THIS SHOOTER!
I suggest you take the same approach.
If we all did, the left would learn that the “guilt by association” tactic does not work, and this tactic and this story would end.
For someone who doesn’t care about the right to life, you sure have spent a lot of time on this thread. DU too boring?
Exactly.
So, what else is new?
The prolife movement has been through hell and high water, and has survived, because it is a JUST CAUSE.
Do you agree the murderer should be hunted down, brought to trial and dealt with by the courts the same as any other killer?
Let him stay. He is being educated, and possibly...converted?
Amen!
One was tried on earth and set free...The other murderer will probably also be tried by a jury.
Another innocent was found guilty and was crucified.
Interesting I can’t get anyone who has posted in favor of whacking Tiller to answer the questions at post #702.
Not neccesarily. John Newton found Christ but he continued in the slave trade for some years.
Being “saved” is an active ongoing process.
That is true.
Agreed.
Everyone on here claiming the media and government have the right to smear and attack the pro life movement because of the murder of a rabid abortionist, are digging your own graves and I would appreciate it if you would not dig my grave with you!
These smears of the innocent because of the crime of one and Obama’s police using the guilt of one person to legally harass and suspect the innocent, is oppression targeted at a group of their political enemies - the majority! who are prolife. Do you ever see them smear, suspect and hound all environmentalists when one of them kills for the cause? Did you see them smear all Democrats when a Democrat firebombed a Republican campaign office? Do you ever hear environmentalists wail “Oh now we are all guilty because someone killed!” No! Pro lifers who respect our justice system, which rejects guilt by association, are not going to be feeling guilty for another’s crime.
We do not advocate murder.
So please. Get off your high horses of pretend outrage groupthink. Tiller the killer is dead. Period. I did not root for his death. I do not mourn his death. He was a very bad man who corrupted the judcial system, individuals, churches and politicians and who killed a lot of children and who wounded their mothers. His murder means noting about me nor to me. His life of State condoned murder, reaped it’s own turmoil.
I could care less what political media lies and smears are conjured from this act of murder and what politicians who love death and who hate Christians say about it. Guns kill! Prolifers who resist and expose the work of abortionists kill! People who want the borders secure are haters! Just more of the same b.s. from people who are hard up in the political, constitutional, moral and ethical departments of American life.
I agree too. This doesn’t bode well for the day when outright defiance of the government will be necessary. How many here, when “the law” demands that we turn over all our weapons, will comply because it’s the law?
How, then, did we prosecute the Nazi’s for “war crimes”?
They were NOT crimes, when they were done, not by Nazi law!
What about the unaligned? those needed to be persuaded that abortion is vile and should be made illegal? do you care what they think? rank and file Americans, those without a firm commitment to the pro-life cause, who are led to think the pro-life community is peopled by the lunatic fringe, are not likely to join it. anyone seriously hoping for abortion to be made illegal needs to care what the not yet converted think.
I agree with you. In fact, I think doing so could damage the pro-abortion movement. Look who and what they would be defending.
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