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George Tiller (Child Murderer) shot to death at Wichita church
Wichita Eagle ^ | 05/30/2009 | Stan Finger

Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58

Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.

(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...


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To: CHATTAB

Try #702. Would be interested in your answers to the questions.


801 posted on 05/31/2009 12:32:34 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: EveningStar

Get over it


802 posted on 05/31/2009 12:33:18 PM PDT by mojitojoe (The American Revolution: 70% of the people were loyal to the King, The other 30% founded a nation.)
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To: Palladin
If just ONE baby’s life is saved by Tiller’s death, that is a good thing.

And if many babies lives are lost due to the political fallout and the marginalization of the pro-life cause, is it a good thing. If the power of the statist now running the show in every aspect of everybody's life is strengthened, is that a good thing as well?

803 posted on 05/31/2009 12:33:49 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: fullchroma

Damn. This will only make a martyr of Tiller and allow the media to portray pro-lifers as crazy and dangerous.

The MSM has already been doing that for decades. And famous dead leftists are ALWAYS heroes or martyrs to these people.


804 posted on 05/31/2009 12:33:53 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Free Descendant

Another reason to stand up for Sarah if she decides to run for POTUS in 2012.

Support Sarah and prevent the GOP from nominating another RINO.


805 posted on 05/31/2009 12:34:29 PM PDT by techno
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To: Houghton M.

Are the Obamanistas that clever and Machiavellian?

I think you give them too much credit.

Unless the Teleprompter of the United States is behind it all.


806 posted on 05/31/2009 12:35:04 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

>> Based on your reasoning, those who ran the Nazi death camps ...

Huh? That’s your reasoning, not mine.


807 posted on 05/31/2009 12:35:11 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: BenLurkin

For the same reason a sick person goes to a doctor?


808 posted on 05/31/2009 12:35:26 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: techno

That goes without saying! Sarah 2012!


809 posted on 05/31/2009 12:35:42 PM PDT by Free Descendant (Palin Power!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

TILLER SUSPECT IN CUSTODY (KAKE Ch10 Wichita)
KAKE News | 5/31/09
Posted on 05/31/2009 12:15:41 PM PDT by Crazieman
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2261712/posts


810 posted on 05/31/2009 12:35:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Another very good point!


811 posted on 05/31/2009 12:35:53 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: prismsinc

I wouldn’t put it past this administration to stage an event like this to advance their agenda.
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That thought crossed my mind too.


812 posted on 05/31/2009 12:36:10 PM PDT by mojitojoe (The American Revolution: 70% of the people were loyal to the King, The other 30% founded a nation.)
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To: buccaneer81
William Shattner does fancy himself as 'God'

I know,I know, I couldn't resist.

813 posted on 05/31/2009 12:36:46 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Palladin

“Are the Obamanistas that clever and Machiavellian?”

If you need to ask, you haven’t yet grasped what we are up against. Yes, they are that clever and Machiavellian, such that they could have done it in this way.

But that doesn’t mean that that’s what happened. It could just as well have been a crazed anti-abortionist. We may or may not find out, eventually.


814 posted on 05/31/2009 12:37:06 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: newfreep

Unfortunately, doing church properly tends to be a messy business, where you meet all kinds of people with all manner of hangups, problems and besetting sins. A church that doesnt let sinners through its doors is going to be very empty.


815 posted on 05/31/2009 12:37:21 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: DesertRhino
What chapter and verse says to murder someone in church, in jesus name?

Try reading Exodus chapter 21. You might be surprised how many things call for death.

816 posted on 05/31/2009 12:38:34 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: newfreep

The death of any Human being should be no cause for celebration.


817 posted on 05/31/2009 12:38:43 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: jwalsh07
God said “Thou shalt not murder.” I don’t think there is much room for debate there no matter who did it.

Please explain if you feel the same in other situations such as:

I am genuinely interested in your response to this.
818 posted on 05/31/2009 12:38:55 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Vanders9

Some doctors are interested in taking lives — and apparently this church considers saving lives optional.

As for saving souls? Dunno. A church that embraces a monster like the decedent is likely to be one of those phony “Jesus was a good man” places.


819 posted on 05/31/2009 12:39:09 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: big'ol_freeper
PLEASE!
It is morally acceptable for the law to recognize that the public must support and respect the law.

Exceptions are morally acceptable, if necessary to restrict, regulate, and reduce abortions.

“no exceptions, no compromise” gets us “no progress!!”

820 posted on 05/31/2009 12:39:23 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: cranked

It might very well be. I hope not.


821 posted on 05/31/2009 12:40:13 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: oldfart
If so-called ‘conservatives’ were more interested in doing the right thing instead of worrying about how they’re going to look to the Democrats they might be able to enlist a following.


822 posted on 05/31/2009 12:40:17 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: Kansas58
Yes, if a vigilante, in consultation with his/her gun show proprietor and shooting instructor, makes the heart wrenching decision to terminate the endeavors of a mass, serial murderer, who are we to interfere?
823 posted on 05/31/2009 12:40:52 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Vanders9

The Church obviously is made up of sinners - we all fall short of the Glory of God. That being said, a Church that permits someone to attend that has ongoing sin issues should first confront that person and if it continues bring it before the Church. This is clearly taught in Matthew 18. If that person persists in that sin he is to be disfellowshipped. This church obviously does not follow Scriptural prescription in this instance.


824 posted on 05/31/2009 12:41:30 PM PDT by gscc
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To: newfreep

Perhaps a better metaphor would be bringing an extinguisher to a fire.


825 posted on 05/31/2009 12:42:15 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: DAC21
He could just as well be a liberal Rat. Less likely a scenario, but time will tell.

It sounds like you think that the media will tell the truth about the shooter's political leanings. Even if he is a card-carrying Communist, that will never come out (except on one of those "right-wing whacko" subcersive websites).
826 posted on 05/31/2009 12:43:02 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: driftdiver
Hopefully this doesn’t act as a trigger for more violence.

Guess you haven't hear about the run on guns and the sudden lack of ammo, you think everyone's getting them due to a new found hobby? Violence is already here, it just hasn't broken out yet.

827 posted on 05/31/2009 12:43:15 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: Kansas58
“no exceptions, no compromise” gets us “no progress!!”

Exceptions and compromise gets us no moral ground to even oppose...hence reverse progress.

828 posted on 05/31/2009 12:44:04 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Minn

Bottom line: The world is a better place today without George Tiller.

Don’t you ever believe that prolifers will roll over and play dead becuse of any media blitz agains tus as the result of today’s elimination of a very very bad man!

We will never be marginalized...not as long as we have the strength of the Catholic Church behind us, and the many Christian and Orthodox denominations, and the Hasidic and Conservative Jews, and the many unchurched of good heart who all oppose the wanton taking of innocent human life.

Most abortionists themselves will not approach the partial-birth method with a ten-foot pole and did not approve of Tiller. Tiller was not a hero among his fellow Death Doctors.

You sound like you are very new to the prolife movement (if you are prolife at all, and not a media troll).


829 posted on 05/31/2009 12:44:15 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

I really don’t care if a person performs abortions. I’m not on the side that says abortion is murder of the innocent unborn. Therefore, I certainly would not advocate going out and wacking people who perform abortions.


830 posted on 05/31/2009 12:45:50 PM PDT by CHATTAB
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To: Kansas58

“Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.”

Tiller the Killer seeking forgiveness?


831 posted on 05/31/2009 12:46:41 PM PDT by Grunthor (Does a crowded elevator smell different to midgets?)
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To: wardaddy
In that this man is probably damned to hell, yes we as Christians should mourn it.

The point is to pray for a sinners repentance, not rejoice when he dies in his sins and is taken to hell. If I was this mans pastor, I would fear judgment day much more than he should. For the pastor's job is to Sheppard his flock. Tiller obviously was not very open to that.

832 posted on 05/31/2009 12:46:46 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Houghton M.

Until there is clear evidence I am not going to accuse Obama of a ‘Reichstag fire’ scenario, but as I have already stated elsewhere I firmly believe that Obama will exploit this scenario for all it is worth in these 5 areas:

1)blaming the pro-life community for Tiller’s death

2)and along with #1 effect an attack on Sarah Palin for political gain

3)as a reason to promote gun control

4)as a way to marginalize conservatives as right-wing extremists

5)as a way to attack Fox News and right-wing talk radio for Tiller’s death


833 posted on 05/31/2009 12:46:58 PM PDT by techno
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To: Carry_Okie
NOBODY has advocated that we kill any other abortionists.

NOBODY has said that this is the best or only way to advance the prolife cause.

MANY have said that this will hurt the cause.

Some, me included, have said that we understand why this has happened.

That does not mean that I support violence, or advocate violence, it means that our system is not working, currently, and that some people have given up hope.

How about some support for the 1st Amendment?

How about some courage?

How about the idea that this is a complicated situation?

How about the hypocrisy on the left?

What is wrong with demands that the LEFT apologize for William Ayers, if we are to apologize for this shooter?

I am not responsible for this vigilante, therefore:

I REFUSE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THIS SHOOTER!

I suggest you take the same approach.

If we all did, the left would learn that the “guilt by association” tactic does not work, and this tactic and this story would end.

834 posted on 05/31/2009 12:47:50 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: CHATTAB

For someone who doesn’t care about the right to life, you sure have spent a lot of time on this thread. DU too boring?


835 posted on 05/31/2009 12:47:53 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Exactly.

So, what else is new?

The prolife movement has been through hell and high water, and has survived, because it is a JUST CAUSE.


836 posted on 05/31/2009 12:47:57 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: Kansas58

Do you agree the murderer should be hunted down, brought to trial and dealt with by the courts the same as any other killer?


837 posted on 05/31/2009 12:48:20 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Let him stay. He is being educated, and possibly...converted?


838 posted on 05/31/2009 12:48:42 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
I join in prayer for everyone suffering under this tragic event - whether Tiller's loved ones or members of the pro-life community.

Amen!

839 posted on 05/31/2009 12:49:48 PM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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To: Palladin
Bottom line IS: Two people who ended the life of a living being will have to meet their maker....

One was tried on earth and set free...The other murderer will probably also be tried by a jury.

Another innocent was found guilty and was crucified.


Regardless only one judgment counts for much.
840 posted on 05/31/2009 12:49:53 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Hey hey! Ho ho! Where's your Birth Certificate/ We've a right to know!)
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To: Palladin

Interesting I can’t get anyone who has posted in favor of whacking Tiller to answer the questions at post #702.


841 posted on 05/31/2009 12:50:06 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: DuncanWaring

Not neccesarily. John Newton found Christ but he continued in the slave trade for some years.

Being “saved” is an active ongoing process.


842 posted on 05/31/2009 12:50:13 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: hoosiermama

That is true.


843 posted on 05/31/2009 12:50:47 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: linn37

Agreed.


844 posted on 05/31/2009 12:50:58 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Everyone on here claiming the media and government have the right to smear and attack the pro life movement because of the murder of a rabid abortionist, are digging your own graves and I would appreciate it if you would not dig my grave with you!

These smears of the innocent because of the crime of one and Obama’s police using the guilt of one person to legally harass and suspect the innocent, is oppression targeted at a group of their political enemies - the majority! who are prolife. Do you ever see them smear, suspect and hound all environmentalists when one of them kills for the cause? Did you see them smear all Democrats when a Democrat firebombed a Republican campaign office? Do you ever hear environmentalists wail “Oh now we are all guilty because someone killed!” No! Pro lifers who respect our justice system, which rejects guilt by association, are not going to be feeling guilty for another’s crime.
We do not advocate murder.

So please. Get off your high horses of pretend outrage groupthink. Tiller the killer is dead. Period. I did not root for his death. I do not mourn his death. He was a very bad man who corrupted the judcial system, individuals, churches and politicians and who killed a lot of children and who wounded their mothers. His murder means noting about me nor to me. His life of State condoned murder, reaped it’s own turmoil.

I could care less what political media lies and smears are conjured from this act of murder and what politicians who love death and who hate Christians say about it. Guns kill! Prolifers who resist and expose the work of abortionists kill! People who want the borders secure are haters! Just more of the same b.s. from people who are hard up in the political, constitutional, moral and ethical departments of American life.


845 posted on 05/31/2009 12:51:05 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: mojitojoe

I agree too. This doesn’t bode well for the day when outright defiance of the government will be necessary. How many here, when “the law” demands that we turn over all our weapons, will comply because it’s the law?


846 posted on 05/31/2009 12:51:41 PM PDT by mrsmel (Put the Gitmo terrorists near Capitol Hill.)
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To: staytrue

How, then, did we prosecute the Nazi’s for “war crimes”?

They were NOT crimes, when they were done, not by Nazi law!


847 posted on 05/31/2009 12:52:49 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: SaraJohnson

What about the unaligned? those needed to be persuaded that abortion is vile and should be made illegal? do you care what they think? rank and file Americans, those without a firm commitment to the pro-life cause, who are led to think the pro-life community is peopled by the lunatic fringe, are not likely to join it. anyone seriously hoping for abortion to be made illegal needs to care what the not yet converted think.


848 posted on 05/31/2009 12:53:49 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: SaraJohnson
Everyone on here claiming the media and government have the right to smear and attack the pro life movement because of the murder of a rabid abortionist....
You're hyperventilating, which is affecting your reading comprehension.
849 posted on 05/31/2009 12:54:40 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou

I agree with you. In fact, I think doing so could damage the pro-abortion movement. Look who and what they would be defending.


850 posted on 05/31/2009 12:56:18 PM PDT by ShandaLear (I LOVE RUSH!)
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