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George Tiller (Child Murderer) shot to death at Wichita church
Wichita Eagle ^ | 05/30/2009 | Stan Finger

Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58

Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.

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To: BenLurkin

I don’t condone any late term abortions, including this one.


851 posted on 05/31/2009 12:56:24 PM PDT by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: Kansas58
Using the logic of the 'personally opposed to abortion' folks, one might say, "I'm personally opposed to killing abortionists, but FAR BE IT from me to impose my morality on anyone else."

See how utterly stupid that sounds?

852 posted on 05/31/2009 12:56:24 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: big'ol_freeper

Funny referencing DU.
I am a lifelong Republican (except for that brief time with Ross Perot)
(If you would like a private thread of correspondence, I would me more than happy to give you my bio-—especially to a fellow Army veteran)
And no, I really don’t care about “the right to life issue.”
As far as spending so much time on this thread, I’ve been in and out of the house, cutting bushes out of the front yard, here in sunny Florida, and have just left this page open.
I also know that this topic is where I can find the supposed Christians and argue with them.


853 posted on 05/31/2009 12:56:31 PM PDT by CHATTAB
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To: wagglebee
Yes it does. Abortionists have murdered over 50 MILLION INNOCENT AMERICANS since 1973 and this makes people angry. This anger should NEVER turn to violence, but it is legitimate anger.

So if we were murdering 50 million blacks or Hispanics since '73, you're saying all we should do is be angry and let it continue, hell this country was drawn into a civil war for less than that.

854 posted on 05/31/2009 12:56:37 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: hinckley buzzard
Your thoughts resonate with me, Hinckley.

Let's chalk this one up as a "late-term abortion" and move on.

It may sound harsh, but let's be totally objective here. There are tens of thousands of people murdered in the U.S. every year, and George Tiller's "profession" as a state-sanctioned killer is the only reason the news of his murder even made it beyond the front page of the local newspaper in the town where he lived.

855 posted on 05/31/2009 12:57:00 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: EAGLE7

I don’t think its a matter of “celebrating” or “rejoicing”, as much as it is a resignation of sorts, that one who has murdered so many, died as he lived.


856 posted on 05/31/2009 12:57:24 PM PDT by Awestruck (Now if we can only get the rest of the "republican" leaders to stand up to the liberals.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

You want my answers?

It begs the questions: If it is your duty to stop the murder of innocents by all means necessary, why haven’t you done what Tiller’s killer did yourself?

Answer: Because I am a wimp and do not have the courage to shoot a man in cold blood. I would, however, consider badly injuring such an unrepentant abortionist so he could not kill again. Like breaking all his fingers on both hands.

Are you advocating that we all go out and start “whacking” all the folks who perform abortions? Or is there a litmus test as to the type and number they can get away with before being “whacked”?

I would rather dialogue with them and hope to convert the more reasonable ones. Prolifers did this with Bernie Nathanson, who killed more than 20,000 unborn children, and they converted him!


857 posted on 05/31/2009 12:57:27 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: wardaddy

I haven’t a what you’re talking about but until the final day of judgement, there is always the possibility of salvation. You theologically ignorant Christians always give me a laugh.


858 posted on 05/31/2009 12:57:45 PM PDT by fortunate sun (Tell me what books you want to ban and I'll tell you what type of politics you hold.)
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To: whatisthetruth; wagglebee

Still have not seen your answers to the questions at post #702.


859 posted on 05/31/2009 12:58:11 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: BenLurkin

You dont know that. All you know is that he was shot down in the lobby of a Church. Unless you know exactly what the doctrinal stance/spiritual state of that Church was, then you libel them.

I dont know what Tiller’s relationship with God was. No one but God does. I do know that Jesus broke bread with “sinners”, including adulterers, prostitutes, “terrorists”, thieves, collaborators, liars and even (shudder) lawyers. Unfortunately, Churches are public buildings. Equally unfortunately, the great commission says “Go and make ALL men my disciples”. I’m afraid Churches don’t have the luxury of choosing who they preach the word to.


860 posted on 05/31/2009 12:58:19 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Oldpuppymax

Amen, does anyone remember Paul Wellstone’s “memorial”? No “right-winger” had a hand in that plane crashing, yet they still used it as a political hate rally against the right.


861 posted on 05/31/2009 12:58:57 PM PDT by mrsmel (Put the Gitmo terrorists near Capitol Hill.)
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To: Palladin

Good answers


862 posted on 05/31/2009 12:59:03 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: xsmommy

Darn straight. We are in a war. And in war the most important battles are fought with words, not guns.


863 posted on 05/31/2009 12:59:12 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: valkyrieanne
You're comparing America to Nazi Germany? Besides winning a Godwin award, that's an obnoxious comparision.

Yea I know 40 million vs 6 million, America's worse.

864 posted on 05/31/2009 1:00:00 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: CHATTAB
I am a lifelong Republican (except for that brief time with Ross Perot)

That 'splains a lot.

865 posted on 05/31/2009 1:00:27 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Okay, I’ll eat some humble pie here. I really screwed up with Ross Perot. Oh well. Live and learn.


866 posted on 05/31/2009 1:02:03 PM PDT by CHATTAB
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To: whatisthetruth

Well over a third of those murdered have been black.


867 posted on 05/31/2009 1:02:08 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: big'ol_freeper

http://www.foxnews.com/
Suspect in custody


868 posted on 05/31/2009 1:03:02 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: CGTRWK
NONSENSE!

You need to know where YOU stand, and you need to have the courage to STAND!

I do not support shooting abortionists, however, I fully understand that our TYRANTS in the Courts, and our TYRANTS in government, have left some feeling helpless.

I fully realize that our government is corrupted by the abortion industry.

I was told, by a Priest, years ago:

“Evil has always existed in the world, God will take care of the babies, we must use the abortion cause to save the souls of those who are already born!”

At that point, I chose not to react in a violent manner, when I saw a teenage girl, drugged by her racist mother (White girl from Arizona or Nevada, I forget, pregnant with an Hispanic baby) dragged from her mothers car, carried from the car to the abortion clinic by 4 adults.

Where was the “choice” in this?

I saw the FATHER of the baby, yelling at the gates at his girlfriend, (who he later married, I understand, even after the abortion!)

I saw the pregnant woman, drugged but still aware, turn her head towards her Hispanic boyfriend, with sadness in her eyes.

And YES, I considered violence.

The Priest, now a Bishop, knew this, somehow.

He came up and whispered in my ear.

I would be in prison, even to this day, had I not been blessed by the good Bishop.

Please do not preach to me.

I have paid my dues, many times, on this issue.

869 posted on 05/31/2009 1:06:10 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: SaraJohnson
Everyone on here claiming the media and government have the right to smear and attack the pro life movement because of the murder of a rabid abortionist, are digging your own graves and I would appreciate it if you would not dig my grave with you!

I don't recall saying they have to right to smear us with this. I said they'll do it, because that's how malicious, lying left-wing activists function. That's what we should expect from them, based on everything they've ever shown us.

I don't plan on lying in any grave. I plan on fighting back.

870 posted on 05/31/2009 1:06:21 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: gscc
This church obviously does not follow Scriptural prescription in this instance.

It certainly is not obvious. For example, how often has he been going to this church? For all you or I know it could be his first attendance. Then again, how can you "disfellowship" someone for a sin, if said person does not recognise he is committing a sin? Surely you first have to convince them that it is! Anyway, we ALL have ongoing sin issues. His are just more visible (at least to us).

871 posted on 05/31/2009 1:06:43 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: gscc

I agree, the church is the Bride Of Christ, and services are primarily for fellowship of the Bride with the object of worship. If an unbeliever attends, it should be with the aim of repentance and salvation. Evangelism is for reaching the lost, and that occurs outside the church building.
Saying that, it seems this is one of those apostate churches which disregards God’s Word. There’s a lot of that going on in the latter days.


872 posted on 05/31/2009 1:07:41 PM PDT by mrsmel (Put the Gitmo terrorists near Capitol Hill.)
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To: CHATTAB

LOL...that’s ok, I almost...ALMOST..voted for Anderson as a third party candidate over Reagan in 1980, but when I got into the voting booth I couldn’t vote in a way that might let Carter get re-elected. Of course I was 22 and had not fully formed my conservative center by then.


873 posted on 05/31/2009 1:08:01 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Kansas58
So Tiller The Baby Killer finally got his, eh?

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Murdered or not, that guy was pure scum.

I can just imagine his eulogy now.

"George Tiller was such a wonderful man. Killing all those unborn babies just had to be done."

I wonder if Obama will attend the funeral.

Scumbags of a feather...

874 posted on 05/31/2009 1:08:07 PM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: xsmommy

Ofcourse I care and how we respond is important.

But we should not respond with guilt or shame nor the expectation that it makes us all guilty. It does not. One person’s actions in response to the outrageous crimes committed by Tiller is just that. We should talk about what Tiller did that created such turmoil around himself.

We should say the media smears the innocent of whole groups for the crimes of one all the time. It is hateful and ignornat of our justice system.


875 posted on 05/31/2009 1:08:20 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: NavVet

Very good answer!


876 posted on 05/31/2009 1:08:21 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Clara Lou

Maybe...


877 posted on 05/31/2009 1:09:24 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Kansas58

Shelley Shannon shot him in 1995. IIRC, she hit him with a bullet in each forearm and reached into his car to shoot him with a small caliber pistol. She was charged with and convicted of attempted murder of Tiller. If she really wanted to kill him, she would have put the muzzle to his head which probably would have been easier than what she did. It seems obvious that she intended to render his arms useless an stop his killings without killing him. That being said, she should not have shot him at all. OTOH, she should not be accused of being a terrible shot for shooting each of his arms at point blank range.


878 posted on 05/31/2009 1:10:44 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: DesertRhino
What chapter and verse says to murder someone in church, in jesus name?

One man's murder might be another man's defense of life. Think WAR. You against all war?

879 posted on 05/31/2009 1:10:59 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: wagglebee

That’s how Maggie Sanger wanted it.

Republicans should have made that evil, racist lilth a household name with every black family in America a long, long time ago. Democrats get away with advocating the disproportionate slaughter of black children without so much as a whimper from the kid-gloves GOP.


880 posted on 05/31/2009 1:11:14 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Clara Lou

If you want to know the truth, I believe God’s patience allowed this man to live as long as he did, and God is waiting for us as a nation to reverse this abomination called abortion but in reality it is child sacrifice. 2013 will be forty years of this, this, abhorrent practice.


881 posted on 05/31/2009 1:11:18 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: livius

I agree 100% with your stmt. Why are so many on this thread soooo concerned with what the left thinks? Who gives a rats’ a$$. The man was shot and killed plain and simple. Find the perp and bring him to justice. How is his murder any different than those crimes perpetrated by environazies or animals rights freaks. The pro-life movement should not be concerned with what the left thinks.


882 posted on 05/31/2009 1:11:46 PM PDT by bubman
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To: jla
George Washington's largest military exercise was actually carried out while he was President, personally putting down the “Whiskey Rebellion” in Pennsylvania.
That just pushed all the Irish down to the South.

And -— Washington then opened his OWN Whiskey still!

Not putting down Washington, just telling you that God uses all types of people, to do His work, and you should avoid being so sanctimonious.

As far as my LOGICAL POINT was concerned, I believe that Jefferson said some even more “radical” things about the justification for a people to use violence, against a tyrannical government, did he not?

883 posted on 05/31/2009 1:12:56 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: BenLurkin
Why would an abortionist go to church?

There are a lot of lib churches these days.They just water down the bible by removing any pages that offend them.By the time they get through,it's the size of a pamphlet.

884 posted on 05/31/2009 1:12:57 PM PDT by Uncle Meat
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To: Kansas58

I think the best strategy at this point would be to use Tiller’s death to expose what his actions were in life. Millions of non-news-savvy people can be educated on what the “pro-choice” movement is all about. It takes a person of little to no conscience to not be utterly shaken and mortified by what George Tiller has done. Let’s get it out.


885 posted on 05/31/2009 1:13:12 PM PDT by Augie76
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To: SuziQ

Good one. I am personally opposed to killing abortionists.

But your take on the left’s logic would add - “far be it for me to IMPOSE my morality onto those who chose to kill abortionists.


886 posted on 05/31/2009 1:13:40 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Augie76

Exactly right and this can be done while at the same time condemning his murder.


887 posted on 05/31/2009 1:14:08 PM PDT by ShandaLear (I LOVE RUSH!)
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To: Vanders9

Please read Matthew 18. This Church is not a Church that follows the Word of God - that is apparently why he could attend there and not be held accountable for his ongoing sin issue.


888 posted on 05/31/2009 1:14:12 PM PDT by gscc
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To: Awestruck

To join the left we could say it was Tiller’s karma.


889 posted on 05/31/2009 1:14:35 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: big'ol_freeper

Please do NOT treat a “98% friend” as a “2% enemy” -— if we passed a law outlawing abortion except for rape and incest and life of the mother -—

The abortion industry would soon go broke, and the we could, politically, restrict even further in the wake of the abortionists bankruptcies.

Fight this fight with your head, not your heart!


890 posted on 05/31/2009 1:15:48 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: staytrue

>> It is not a crime now. It used to be a crime, It may be a crime later, but it is not now.

Why the movement to make abortion illegal if it’s not legal to begin with? Abortion is a crime against humanity, it’s not, however, a crime by definition of law. Terminology is important if the goal is to reduce abortions.


891 posted on 05/31/2009 1:16:10 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: Kansas58

BHO will order all US flags to be flown at half mast in his honor...


892 posted on 05/31/2009 1:16:31 PM PDT by matthew fuller (God Bless Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, John Bolton, and Rush Limbaugh!)
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To: whatisthetruth
Yea I know 40 million vs 6 million, America's worse.

There are other things that factor into it. We've liberated millions, we've taken stands against evil. We've made the world a better place where Hitler did nothing but cause human misery.

But in a sense, you're right. We've permitted a holocaust that's tenfold worse than anything Hitler accomplished. In the eyes of satan, America may be the bigger success story.

893 posted on 05/31/2009 1:17:31 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Kansas58

Since Jeremiah Wright said America should be damned, is he on the DHS terrorist watch list?


894 posted on 05/31/2009 1:17:51 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: Kansas58

Very good point!


895 posted on 05/31/2009 1:18:17 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Kansas58

Gee, I had so wished to ask him whether or not he’d ever heard one of the babies he was slaughtering cry just before it’s brain was completely sucked out and it was pronounced dead.

I’ve always been curious...


896 posted on 05/31/2009 1:18:24 PM PDT by Humidston (IT'S COMING...I SMELL IT.)
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To: umgud

What about the people who voted for Pres. Obama who are pro-life? There were a number of pro-life people/anti-gay marriage people who voted for him! They would have to go after them also, wouldn’t they? Then there were the veterans who they claimed would be lured over to the extreme far-right.

There were people mentioned in that report for various other reasons! Funny thing, there are gay people who may/not have voted for him who are opposed to abortion, are for second amendment rights, support our war efforts, and other conservative issues, etc..! I’ve heard of them!


897 posted on 05/31/2009 1:18:35 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: matthew fuller

I was thinking that this administration, the most pro-baby-killing administration ever, might want to have a state funeral for him.

Maybe they could hold it at Notre Dame and have Fr. Jenkins preside.


898 posted on 05/31/2009 1:19:10 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (They tell you that conservatism "can't win" because they don't believe in it. Duh...)
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To: Kansas58

Wrong. They would never pass that law without the “health of the mother” provision and that is a no go. Would not reduce abortions. Think with your soul not your political expediency.


899 posted on 05/31/2009 1:20:04 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Palladin
You sound like you are very new to the prolife movement (if you are prolife at all, and not a media troll).

Been around a long time. Guess I've just always been a member of the shooting-abortionists-doesn't-help-the-cause-and-doing-apologetics-for-the-act-hurts-too wing of the movement.

The idiot nut case that perpetrated this act has done nothing to further the pro life cause. No babies have been or will be saved. I hope he does the right thing before the day is done and rids the world of a second totally disgusting and evil man; himself.

Apart from the abortion issue, he's done enormous damage to those fighting the media/Hollywood stereotype of all non-leftists as unhinged whackos awaiting orders from Rush Limbaugh to shoot somebody. If you haven't noticed, the left can have all the Unibombers and DC snipers they want. We don't have that luxury. If you can't see that, maybe you're the troll.

900 posted on 05/31/2009 1:20:13 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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