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George Tiller (Child Murderer) shot to death at Wichita church
Wichita Eagle ^ | 05/30/2009 | Stan Finger

Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58

Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.

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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Me too. I am with you.


901 posted on 05/31/2009 1:20:24 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Vanders9

For as long as the left permits words to be legal...


902 posted on 05/31/2009 1:21:22 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: wintertime
I do not support this. I support the rule of law.

we will have a corrupt society filled with fear and unexplained “disappearances”.

903 posted on 05/31/2009 1:22:05 PM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: doug from upland

bttt


904 posted on 05/31/2009 1:23:00 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Houghton M.

“We cannot overcome the mess we find ourselves in by justifying vigilanteeism or anarchy.”

Talk is cheap, so is education. We do not have the rule of law. What we have is rule of the Marxist. They set the agenda and they determine what the rules are.

We have the Speaker of the House, third in line for the White House, caught in a blatant lie. She’s not held to task. We have numerous congress critters caught in blatant acts of corruption but they continue holding their office.

And this evil man was killing innocents. Guess you cannot see the difference though so continue with your petty insults.


905 posted on 05/31/2009 1:27:17 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: whatisthetruth

Sounds like you think we no longer have the rule of law around here.


906 posted on 05/31/2009 1:28:06 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: bubman
Why are so many on this thread soooo concerned with what the left thinks? Who gives a rats’ a$$. The pro-life movement should not be concerned with what the left thinks.

Even though I signed up to FR just 12 months ago, I lurked for years. Never before have I seen a thread here so sympathetic towards someone so evil. The Saddam Hussein of abortionists was just killed and people are ..... upset? What kind of alternate universe are we living in?

907 posted on 05/31/2009 1:29:04 PM PDT by library user
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To: Ann Archy

Phelps and his clan are: DEMOCRATS!
And most are in Topeka.


908 posted on 05/31/2009 1:29:54 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Prole

It will be interesting to see the political scum who gravitate to his funeral. What are they going to say in respect to the life of Tiller the Killer?

He’s meeting God about now, doing that life review thingy where he’s seeing what he has done in his life and how it affected others and I wonder... There is sin and then there is SIN. I wonder if he repented and stopped killing before he died. I hope so. I hope that is the case for all of us.


909 posted on 05/31/2009 1:31:02 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: library user

“Never before have I seen a thread here so sympathetic towards someone so evil. “

IMO FR has been infiltrated by numerous who seek to instigate discord among conservatives.

They used this tactic at the tea parties.


910 posted on 05/31/2009 1:31:06 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: library user
...Even though I signed up to FR just 12 months ago, I lurked for years. Never before have I seen a thread here so sympathetic towards someone so evil. The Saddam Hussein of abortionists was just killed and people are ..... upset? What kind of alternate universe are we living in? ...

There are a lot of trolls and sleeper trolls that have signed on in the last few years.

The Left knows how important this site is and have operatives here.

911 posted on 05/31/2009 1:31:23 PM PDT by FReepaholic (Endeavor to persevere.)
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To: Guenevere
"First MOLOCH, horrid King besmear'd with blood
Of human sacrifice, and parents tears,
Though for the noyse of Drums and Timbrels loud
Their childrens cries unheard, that past through fire
To his grim Idol. Him the AMMONITE
Worshipt in RABBA and her watry Plain,
In ARGOB and in BASAN, to the stream
Of utmost ARNON. Nor content with such
Audacious neighbourhood, the wisest heart
Of SOLOMON he led by fraud to build
His Temple right against the Temple of God
On that opprobrious Hill, and made his Grove
The pleasant Vally of HINNOM, TOPHET thence
And black GEHENNA call'd, the Type of Hell."

John Milton, Paradise Lost


912 posted on 05/31/2009 1:32:26 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (They tell you that conservatism "can't win" because they don't believe in it. Duh...)
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To: library user
The Saddam Hussein of abortionists was just killed and people are ..... upset?

Pro-life means moral opposition to murder.

913 posted on 05/31/2009 1:32:41 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Kansas58
NOBODY has advocated that we kill any other abortionists.

While willfully supplying what is easily portrayed as the implication.

NOBODY has said that this is the best or only way to advance the prolife cause.

So what? Giving your enemy a weapon to use against you in the court of public opinion is stupid. One of the things which has done so much for the pro-life movement is its civility. This kind of cheering for a murder can vaporize a great deal of hard work.

MANY have said that this will hurt the cause.

Yup, and I agree with them.

Some, me included, have said that we understand why this has happened.

To me, this is a somewhat dishonest statement. "Understanding" implies that you recognize a what you deem to be a logical rationale. Giving hot-blooded murder the imprimatur of "logic" or rationality is to derive association thereby. I don't regard that as productive.

That does not mean that I support violence, or advocate violence, it means that our system is not working, currently, and that some people have given up hope.

I never said that it did, but that the responses on this thread can be used as if you had.

How about some support for the 1st Amendment?

What the hell does a prohibition on government forcibly constraining speech have to do with my expressing an opinion that giving such a discussion top billing is counterproductive?

How about some courage?

I've willingly taken enough abuse on this thread to belie that imputation. If you knew what I do you'd have a bit more respect.

How about the idea that this is a complicated situation?

It's not as if I hadn't said that before.

How about the hypocrisy on the left?

Read the link.

What is wrong with demands that the LEFT apologize for William Ayers, if we are to apologize for this shooter?

Nothing. What does that have to do with the topic of this thread?

I am not responsible for this vigilante, therefore:

I REFUSE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THIS SHOOTER!

Nobody asked you to do so.

I suggest you take the same approach.

If we all did, the left would learn that the “guilt by association” tactic does not work, and this tactic and this story would end.

No. I prefer my approach, thank you.

914 posted on 05/31/2009 1:33:17 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power with a passion for evil.)
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To: reg45

No! The Murders of the Thousands and Thousands of the Most Innocent of Babies was an Ongoing Tragedy worse than Any Other Crime Against Humanity! Only the DEMORATS could hold TILLER on the Pedestal of a Hero for Murdering in the Most Brutal Methods, Innocent Babies.


915 posted on 05/31/2009 1:33:35 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Last Great President George W. Bush)
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To: prismsinc

Amen.


916 posted on 05/31/2009 1:34:04 PM PDT by Humidston (IT'S COMING...I SMELL IT.)
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To: Petronski

“moral opposition to murder”

Sure. So much so that killing guards at a Nazi concentration camp to save many lives would be acceptable.


917 posted on 05/31/2009 1:34:38 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: Minn
I'd be curious to hear what former abortionists (and by that I mean those who eventually found their work repulsive and changed careers) have to say about this incident.

I seem to remember reading a number of quotes from former abortionists who said that a fear of violence was one of the primary reasons for their career change.

918 posted on 05/31/2009 1:35:05 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: library user
Never before have I seen a thread here so sympathetic towards someone so evil. The Saddam Hussein of abortionists was just killed and people are ..... upset?
I'm at FR, where no one is sympathetic to Tiller. What website are you visiting? Maybe you were highjacked?
919 posted on 05/31/2009 1:35:22 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Vanders9
...The death of any Human being should be no cause for celebration...

You're absolutely right. So instead we'll celebrate the fact that there will be fewer babies killed now as a result of what happened.

920 posted on 05/31/2009 1:35:32 PM PDT by FReepaholic (Endeavor to persevere.)
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To: techno

Agreed. And many of the posters here are giving him ammunition with their unhinged defenses of the assassination. They are making it easier for all of us to be railroaded and they think they are standing up for truth. They are helping to fashion the whip that Obama will use against us.


921 posted on 05/31/2009 1:35:51 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Godwin1
Killing is evil and I join those who condemn the murder.

Well be prepared to join the Leftists condemning and now wanting to try Bush for killing all those enemy combatants over in Iraq and Afghanistan. Is Bush evil? Cheney? Rumsfeld?

So when is killing of people okay? When the Government decides it's okay? So it's okay for our Government to kill Iraqi's and Afghani's because a few of their kinsmen aborted 3000 of our citizens?

Yet when our Govt condones the slaughter/murder of 50 million of our own babies we cringe and shrink in horror and outrage only when ONE person tries out of desperation to put a stop to one of the holocaust's worst perpetrators? I don't get it, but actually I really do and it ain't a pretty picture for me.

922 posted on 05/31/2009 1:36:31 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: BenLurkin
Why would an abortionist go to church?

He probably justified his actions to himself by telling himself he was 'helping women' in a tough time.

When I got pregnant with our first child, we were referred to an OB-GYN, who had delivered all five children of a family in our church community. Before we saw him, we found out from another couple that they'd discovered he did abortions. Wanting to get that word from the horse's mouth, so to speak, my husband made an appointment to see him. Turns out he DID do abortions, unbeknownst to the family who had originally referred him; they were shocked when we later told them.

But hubby had a LONG talk with the doctor, asking him why he would do abortions, and he had convinced himself that he was helping these poor women at a difficult time in their lives. Hubby told him that we could not come to him for pre-natal care and delivery, and why we felt that way. The doctor said he understood, but looked troubled at the end of the visit.

We found out the next year that he had stopped doing abortions, had returned to active participation in his Jewish faith, then had converted to Christianity. We were thrilled to hear it.

923 posted on 05/31/2009 1:37:57 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: library user

AMEN! SAY IT AGAIN, PLEASE! TILLER met Justice, just as He dealt Out Death to the Most Innocent of the Innocent! Cut out the PC Correctness! TILLER didn’t care about anything except his Own Being:-(


924 posted on 05/31/2009 1:38:11 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Last Great President George W. Bush)
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To: Petronski
Pro-life means moral opposition to murder.

Even if one person's murder means saving the lives of others down the road, even within the next 24 hours?

There may be young girls scheduled to see Tiller this coming week - who scheduled their appointments many weeks or months ago - and who now may end up not having abortions as a result of what happened today, i.e., maybe give them more time to think whether they actually want to proceed?

925 posted on 05/31/2009 1:39:30 PM PDT by library user
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To: mrsmel

The building is the building. The Church is the people inside. Not so?


926 posted on 05/31/2009 1:39:50 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: big'ol_freeper

It is always the duty of every right-minded person to do whatever is neccesary to prevent murder. We have allowed liberal government to dictate the conditions under which we can do this and those conditions are so stringent we shy away from doing our duty. The reason I haven’t done more is simply because I’m still afraid of the consequences. I imagine most people who feel strongly about abortion are in the same boat. Does that make me a coward? Probably. Will I always be a coward? Who knows. The abortionists certainly don’t and therein lies their worry.


927 posted on 05/31/2009 1:40:03 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: driftdiver
“Never before have I seen a thread here so sympathetic towards someone so evil. “

IMO FR has been infiltrated by numerous who seek to instigate discord among conservatives.

They used this tactic at the tea parties.


1) Just because people here are opposed to vigilantism, terrorism, and murder....does not mean they are sympathetic to this guy.
2) Just because people have a different opinion than you, does not mean that its a conspiracy against you. Your opinion is not the base upon which all conservative purity is judged. If you find a large number of people on this site with different opinions than you, you might actually have a minority opinion on that particular subject. That is okay.
3) When you find opposition to your view...debate it logically....don't resort to fallacious arguments like automatically labeling anyone with a different opinion as a heretic/troll/infiltrator.
4) I have not signed up recently.
928 posted on 05/31/2009 1:40:29 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: SaraJohnson

“Everyone on here claiming the media and government have the right to smear and attack the pro life movement because of the murder of a rabid abortionist, are digging your own graves and I would appreciate it if you would not dig my grave with you!”

I don’t know where you get the idea that ANYONE on this thread says the government and media have a RIGHT to smear us. We are saying that they will smear us, unrightfully to be sure, but just as damaging to our cause even if done unrightfully.

Giving ammunition to the media and government to unrightfully smear us is stoooooooopid. They already had plenty of ammunition (much of it false and scurrilous but effective all the same) without the guy who shot Tiller addking to their stockpile. No one is saying that they are right to use Tiller’s killing to smear us. But we are saying that that’s what they will do.

Is the distinction not readily understandable?


929 posted on 05/31/2009 1:41:10 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Petronski

Sometimes, Horse Poop is overwelming. Pro=Life is in consideration of the Innocent, NOT the HUSSEINS of Our Society!


930 posted on 05/31/2009 1:41:46 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Last Great President George W. Bush)
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To: Kansas58
An unrepentant baby murderer is now in the hands of a just God.

I strongly suspect Tillers fate is one that I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy and I sincerely that hope I am wrong about this.

931 posted on 05/31/2009 1:42:06 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: gscc

Please read post #871. How do you know he had been attending there?


932 posted on 05/31/2009 1:42:38 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: valkyrieanne

You are wrong there.
One of the crimes that we prosecuted the Nazi’s for was:
ABORTION!


933 posted on 05/31/2009 1:43:03 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: tsmith130

That’s exactly what I would use, a stolen car with vanity plates.


934 posted on 05/31/2009 1:43:09 PM PDT by Rannug
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To: Petronski

“Pro-life means moral opposition to murder”

Ending evil is cause for celebration.


935 posted on 05/31/2009 1:43:22 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: True Republican Patriot

God’s law prohibiting murder is only with reference to the innocent.

The death penalty is fully allowed,
and the OT is repleat with “shall be stoned to death” offenses, and not only by the government, but by the citizens.


936 posted on 05/31/2009 1:43:52 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: oldfart

Appreciate your candor.


937 posted on 05/31/2009 1:44:06 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: True Republican Patriot

Hussein was captured, tried, convicted and executed according to the law.


938 posted on 05/31/2009 1:44:11 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

We did not do so such a good job at associating the real meaning of Hillary celebrating her hero no too long ago.


939 posted on 05/31/2009 1:44:15 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

Oh they won’t outlaw words. Words are how they’ve managed to get us to this pretty pass. They might outlaw (or try) us talking back though.


940 posted on 05/31/2009 1:45:04 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: ScreamingFist

“The “god told me to...” defense...”

You chose to totally misunderstand what I said. But, you knew that, didn’t you?


941 posted on 05/31/2009 1:45:11 PM PDT by beelzepug (You can't blame Bush anymore)
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To: driftdiver; library user
We don't want to celebrate EVIL, neither the evil perpetrated by Tiller nor the EVIL perpetrated by the man who murdered him. Murder is wrong, no matter who the victim might be.

And if you'll notice, many of those who are decrying this action are doing so from the standpoint of how the pro-life movement might be hurt by it. This is especially true, coming on the heels of the Notre Dame controversy, where the pro-life folks were laughed at and scorned for being trouble-makers, and even accused of being terrorists.

942 posted on 05/31/2009 1:45:23 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: buccaneer81

It may not be a crime in the eyes of the law but it is a crime against humanity and against God. That being said, I do not agree with what happened to him today.


943 posted on 05/31/2009 1:45:33 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (I home school because I have seen the village and I don't want it raising my children.)
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To: Wolfstar; Oldpuppymax
Damn. This will only make a martyr of Tiller and allow the media to crank up the old portrayal of all pro-lifers as crazy and dangerous.

One idiot doesn't represent all pro-lifers.

944 posted on 05/31/2009 1:46:15 PM PDT by fullchroma (I want my country back.)
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To: Houghton M.
They are making it easier for all of us to be railroaded and they think they are standing up for truth. They are helping to fashion the whip that Obama will use against us.

I relate the story of Senator Tim Hutchinson. He voted 100% conservative....the most conservative voting Senator in the Senate.

But he allegedly had a fling with an assistant.

This was impure so thousands of conservatives stuck up their nose and sat on their hands to "punish" him.

He lost his election and was replaced by liberal Senator David Pryor.

Senator Pryor now has a lifetime Senate seat. We will NEVER get him out of there. He will vote the exact opposite that Tim Hutchinson would have.

Hutchinson has been punished. Everyone can feel "pure" and smug.

But what votes are now being cast when judges come up? Are they votes for the babies? Isn't that the point?
945 posted on 05/31/2009 1:46:42 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: driftdiver
Ending evil is cause for celebration.

Not when it's done with evil and unlawful means.

946 posted on 05/31/2009 1:47:04 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Vanders9

Yes, that’s what I was trying to say. Sorry if I didn’t word it well.


947 posted on 05/31/2009 1:47:11 PM PDT by mrsmel (Put the Gitmo terrorists near Capitol Hill.)
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To: Houghton M.
I was NOT justifying this shooting, in any way.

I am stating that those who make a BLANKET case about “law and order” and such have not thought this through.

Am I allowed to be “pro choice” on the subject of abortion doctor shooting?

If not, why not?

Our founders made it very clear that a government that did not have the “consent” of the governed would INVITE violence.

I have tried, very hard, in my own way, to teach prolifers how to use the political process to achieve their goals.

However, I am not at all surprised that the predictions of our founders are coming true!

You should not be surprised, either!

Tyrants invite violence.

Our government is run by tyrants.

948 posted on 05/31/2009 1:47:28 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Rannug

The police would have known immediately after getting the tag number if it was stolen or not...and wouldn’t they have said that?


949 posted on 05/31/2009 1:47:28 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Arkinsaw

“1) Just because people here are opposed to vigilantism, terrorism, and murder....does not mean they are sympathetic to this guy.”

I never said they were.

“Just because people have a different opinion than you, does not mean that its a conspiracy against you.”

Didn’t say they did. Obviously there are trolls on here. People probably hoping to get a good response to send to Bill ORielly.

“When you find opposition to your view...debate it logically....don’t resort to fallacious arguments like automatically labeling anyone with a different opinion as a heretic/troll/infiltrator.”

I didn’t, read my posts if you wish but stop jumping to conclusions.

‘Your opinion is not the base upon which all conservative purity is judged. “

Its NOT!!! Oh my gosh

“I have not signed up recently.”

Thats nice, I haven’t either.


950 posted on 05/31/2009 1:47:41 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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