we will have a corrupt society filled with fear and unexplained “disappearances”.
Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58
Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.
(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...
Me too. I am with you.
For as long as the left permits words to be legal...
we will have a corrupt society filled with fear and unexplained “disappearances”.
bttt
“We cannot overcome the mess we find ourselves in by justifying vigilanteeism or anarchy.”
Talk is cheap, so is education. We do not have the rule of law. What we have is rule of the Marxist. They set the agenda and they determine what the rules are.
We have the Speaker of the House, third in line for the White House, caught in a blatant lie. She’s not held to task. We have numerous congress critters caught in blatant acts of corruption but they continue holding their office.
And this evil man was killing innocents. Guess you cannot see the difference though so continue with your petty insults.
Sounds like you think we no longer have the rule of law around here.
Even though I signed up to FR just 12 months ago, I lurked for years. Never before have I seen a thread here so sympathetic towards someone so evil. The Saddam Hussein of abortionists was just killed and people are ..... upset? What kind of alternate universe are we living in?
Phelps and his clan are: DEMOCRATS!
And most are in Topeka.
It will be interesting to see the political scum who gravitate to his funeral. What are they going to say in respect to the life of Tiller the Killer?
He’s meeting God about now, doing that life review thingy where he’s seeing what he has done in his life and how it affected others and I wonder... There is sin and then there is SIN. I wonder if he repented and stopped killing before he died. I hope so. I hope that is the case for all of us.
“Never before have I seen a thread here so sympathetic towards someone so evil. “
IMO FR has been infiltrated by numerous who seek to instigate discord among conservatives.
They used this tactic at the tea parties.
There are a lot of trolls and sleeper trolls that have signed on in the last few years.
The Left knows how important this site is and have operatives here.
"First MOLOCH, horrid King besmear'd with blood
Of human sacrifice, and parents tears,
Though for the noyse of Drums and Timbrels loud
Their childrens cries unheard, that past through fire
To his grim Idol. Him the AMMONITE
Worshipt in RABBA and her watry Plain,
In ARGOB and in BASAN, to the stream
Of utmost ARNON. Nor content with such
Audacious neighbourhood, the wisest heart
Of SOLOMON he led by fraud to build
His Temple right against the Temple of God
On that opprobrious Hill, and made his Grove
The pleasant Vally of HINNOM, TOPHET thence
And black GEHENNA call'd, the Type of Hell."
John Milton, Paradise Lost
Pro-life means moral opposition to murder.
While willfully supplying what is easily portrayed as the implication.
NOBODY has said that this is the best or only way to advance the prolife cause.
So what? Giving your enemy a weapon to use against you in the court of public opinion is stupid. One of the things which has done so much for the pro-life movement is its civility. This kind of cheering for a murder can vaporize a great deal of hard work.
MANY have said that this will hurt the cause.
Yup, and I agree with them.
Some, me included, have said that we understand why this has happened.
To me, this is a somewhat dishonest statement. "Understanding" implies that you recognize a what you deem to be a logical rationale. Giving hot-blooded murder the imprimatur of "logic" or rationality is to derive association thereby. I don't regard that as productive.
That does not mean that I support violence, or advocate violence, it means that our system is not working, currently, and that some people have given up hope.
I never said that it did, but that the responses on this thread can be used as if you had.
How about some support for the 1st Amendment?
What the hell does a prohibition on government forcibly constraining speech have to do with my expressing an opinion that giving such a discussion top billing is counterproductive?
How about some courage?
I've willingly taken enough abuse on this thread to belie that imputation. If you knew what I do you'd have a bit more respect.
How about the idea that this is a complicated situation?
It's not as if I hadn't said that before.
How about the hypocrisy on the left?
Read the link.
What is wrong with demands that the LEFT apologize for William Ayers, if we are to apologize for this shooter?
Nothing. What does that have to do with the topic of this thread?
I am not responsible for this vigilante, therefore:
I REFUSE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THIS SHOOTER!
Nobody asked you to do so.
I suggest you take the same approach.
If we all did, the left would learn that the “guilt by association” tactic does not work, and this tactic and this story would end.
No. I prefer my approach, thank you.
No! The Murders of the Thousands and Thousands of the Most Innocent of Babies was an Ongoing Tragedy worse than Any Other Crime Against Humanity! Only the DEMORATS could hold TILLER on the Pedestal of a Hero for Murdering in the Most Brutal Methods, Innocent Babies.
Amen.
“moral opposition to murder”
Sure. So much so that killing guards at a Nazi concentration camp to save many lives would be acceptable.
I seem to remember reading a number of quotes from former abortionists who said that a fear of violence was one of the primary reasons for their career change.
You're absolutely right. So instead we'll celebrate the fact that there will be fewer babies killed now as a result of what happened.
Agreed. And many of the posters here are giving him ammunition with their unhinged defenses of the assassination. They are making it easier for all of us to be railroaded and they think they are standing up for truth. They are helping to fashion the whip that Obama will use against us.
Well be prepared to join the Leftists condemning and now wanting to try Bush for killing all those enemy combatants over in Iraq and Afghanistan. Is Bush evil? Cheney? Rumsfeld?
So when is killing of people okay? When the Government decides it's okay? So it's okay for our Government to kill Iraqi's and Afghani's because a few of their kinsmen aborted 3000 of our citizens?
Yet when our Govt condones the slaughter/murder of 50 million of our own babies we cringe and shrink in horror and outrage only when ONE person tries out of desperation to put a stop to one of the holocaust's worst perpetrators? I don't get it, but actually I really do and it ain't a pretty picture for me.
He probably justified his actions to himself by telling himself he was 'helping women' in a tough time.
When I got pregnant with our first child, we were referred to an OB-GYN, who had delivered all five children of a family in our church community. Before we saw him, we found out from another couple that they'd discovered he did abortions. Wanting to get that word from the horse's mouth, so to speak, my husband made an appointment to see him. Turns out he DID do abortions, unbeknownst to the family who had originally referred him; they were shocked when we later told them.
But hubby had a LONG talk with the doctor, asking him why he would do abortions, and he had convinced himself that he was helping these poor women at a difficult time in their lives. Hubby told him that we could not come to him for pre-natal care and delivery, and why we felt that way. The doctor said he understood, but looked troubled at the end of the visit.
We found out the next year that he had stopped doing abortions, had returned to active participation in his Jewish faith, then had converted to Christianity. We were thrilled to hear it.
AMEN! SAY IT AGAIN, PLEASE! TILLER met Justice, just as He dealt Out Death to the Most Innocent of the Innocent! Cut out the PC Correctness! TILLER didn’t care about anything except his Own Being:-(
Even if one person's murder means saving the lives of others down the road, even within the next 24 hours?
There may be young girls scheduled to see Tiller this coming week - who scheduled their appointments many weeks or months ago - and who now may end up not having abortions as a result of what happened today, i.e., maybe give them more time to think whether they actually want to proceed?
The building is the building. The Church is the people inside. Not so?
It is always the duty of every right-minded person to do whatever is neccesary to prevent murder. We have allowed liberal government to dictate the conditions under which we can do this and those conditions are so stringent we shy away from doing our duty. The reason I haven’t done more is simply because I’m still afraid of the consequences. I imagine most people who feel strongly about abortion are in the same boat. Does that make me a coward? Probably. Will I always be a coward? Who knows. The abortionists certainly don’t and therein lies their worry.
“Everyone on here claiming the media and government have the right to smear and attack the pro life movement because of the murder of a rabid abortionist, are digging your own graves and I would appreciate it if you would not dig my grave with you!”
I don’t know where you get the idea that ANYONE on this thread says the government and media have a RIGHT to smear us. We are saying that they will smear us, unrightfully to be sure, but just as damaging to our cause even if done unrightfully.
Giving ammunition to the media and government to unrightfully smear us is stoooooooopid. They already had plenty of ammunition (much of it false and scurrilous but effective all the same) without the guy who shot Tiller addking to their stockpile. No one is saying that they are right to use Tiller’s killing to smear us. But we are saying that that’s what they will do.
Is the distinction not readily understandable?
Sometimes, Horse Poop is overwelming. Pro=Life is in consideration of the Innocent, NOT the HUSSEINS of Our Society!
I strongly suspect Tillers fate is one that I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy and I sincerely that hope I am wrong about this.
Please read post #871. How do you know he had been attending there?
You are wrong there.
One of the crimes that we prosecuted the Nazi’s for was:
ABORTION!
That’s exactly what I would use, a stolen car with vanity plates.
“Pro-life means moral opposition to murder”
Ending evil is cause for celebration.
God’s law prohibiting murder is only with reference to the innocent.
The death penalty is fully allowed,
and the OT is repleat with “shall be stoned to death” offenses, and not only by the government, but by the citizens.
Appreciate your candor.
Hussein was captured, tried, convicted and executed according to the law.
We did not do so such a good job at associating the real meaning of Hillary celebrating her hero no too long ago.
Oh they won’t outlaw words. Words are how they’ve managed to get us to this pretty pass. They might outlaw (or try) us talking back though.
“The “god told me to...” defense...”
You chose to totally misunderstand what I said. But, you knew that, didn’t you?
And if you'll notice, many of those who are decrying this action are doing so from the standpoint of how the pro-life movement might be hurt by it. This is especially true, coming on the heels of the Notre Dame controversy, where the pro-life folks were laughed at and scorned for being trouble-makers, and even accused of being terrorists.
It may not be a crime in the eyes of the law but it is a crime against humanity and against God. That being said, I do not agree with what happened to him today.
One idiot doesn't represent all pro-lifers.
Not when it's done with evil and unlawful means.
Yes, that’s what I was trying to say. Sorry if I didn’t word it well.
I am stating that those who make a BLANKET case about “law and order” and such have not thought this through.
Am I allowed to be “pro choice” on the subject of abortion doctor shooting?
If not, why not?
Our founders made it very clear that a government that did not have the “consent” of the governed would INVITE violence.
I have tried, very hard, in my own way, to teach prolifers how to use the political process to achieve their goals.
However, I am not at all surprised that the predictions of our founders are coming true!
You should not be surprised, either!
Tyrants invite violence.
Our government is run by tyrants.
The police would have known immediately after getting the tag number if it was stolen or not...and wouldn’t they have said that?
“1) Just because people here are opposed to vigilantism, terrorism, and murder....does not mean they are sympathetic to this guy.”
I never said they were.
“Just because people have a different opinion than you, does not mean that its a conspiracy against you.”
Didn’t say they did. Obviously there are trolls on here. People probably hoping to get a good response to send to Bill ORielly.
“When you find opposition to your view...debate it logically....don’t resort to fallacious arguments like automatically labeling anyone with a different opinion as a heretic/troll/infiltrator.”
I didn’t, read my posts if you wish but stop jumping to conclusions.
‘Your opinion is not the base upon which all conservative purity is judged. “
Its NOT!!! Oh my gosh
“I have not signed up recently.”
Thats nice, I haven’t either.
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