Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58
Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.
(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...
"...We denounce vigilantism and the cowardly act that took place this morning."
Do you....or anybody else on this thread agree that this shooting was a 'cowardly act'
What you said...
We pro-lifers know that, but just imagine what the average Joe or Jane American might conclude, after listening to the MSM 24/7 over the next week, smearing ALL of us, because of this murder's actions.
So, whats your point? If we had a chance, we would have blown him up, just like we did his sons. Instead, we found him cowering in a rat hole! He is Dead and now so is Tiller! and quite frankly there isn’t much diference between the two.
**sigh**
My thoughts exactly. What kind of church would an unrepentant, serial child murderer choose?
I’m celebrating that the planet has one less mass murderer. We have a new murderer, but at least he’s apparently in custody. Sounds like a net gain for good.
“Not when it’s done with evil and unlawful means. “
I don’t know about evil as I don’t know the killer or his motives. I would not have done the same but can’t say killing someone who had murdered 60,000 people is evil.
Unlawful? As I’ve stated earlier I don’t think the US is a nation of laws anymore. Its a nation of who has the best lawyers and political power, which happens to be marxist/facist right now. Technically the killing was unlawful but so is what much of what Congress has done lately.
The ‘law’ has been subverted by evil. When the law is immoral and contrary to Gods law are we bound to follow it?
You just made me think of the famous Chick tract “This Was Your Life”. I love those tracts, I go the Chick website and read them.
If somebody is going to go through all that trouble to design a poster....they should at least have somebody proof-read it.
The difference between Hitler and the liberal abortionists: the happy face and good intentions.
“Murder is wrong, no matter who the victim might be.”
All killings are not murder.
“And if you’ll notice, many of those who are decrying this action are doing so from the standpoint of how the pro-life movement might be hurt by it”
I don’t agree with that viewpoint. I don’t think it will help or it will hurt. The pro-abortionists already think every pro-life person is a terrorist so how will this make any difference?
That took way too long, though. If someone is unquestionably guilty of many murders, that person should be put to death ASAP, IMHO. The idea that trials are necessary 100% of the time is a bit disturbing and defies common sense.
I think even the mod's are upset at how sympathetic some posters are, as they've added "Child Murderer" (in parentheses) to the headline. I don't remember seeing that before.
Chick tracts? I remember often finding them in public restrooms. I thought that they were to be used as a emergency toilet paper supply.
Do you think, seriously, that killing George Tiller is going to stop further abortions taking place? Because if you do, you are going to be sadly disappointed. He was an instrument of abortion, not its cause. The social and moral conditions that enable abortion existed while he was alive and they still exist now. All that will happen is that someone else will do the abortions at that clinic now, and you can transfer all your moral disgust to them if you like.
Abortion on-demand happens because the technology exists to do it, and the personal moral integrity that says “I didn’t plan this child, but now its happened I cannot selfishly destroy a Human life for my own convenience” hasn’t caught up with it. The way to close abortion clinics is to make them obsolete by presenting the pro-life argument so irrefutably that no one wants to use them.
Thanks
This one is hitting home with me.
I feel like a helpless observer, even though Tiller has played a huge role in my life.
What I understand, and say, is sometimes repulsive to those who have not walked in my shoes.
Even though I am NOT ready for violence, they are repulsed that I show sympathy for those who are not as patient as me.
I fully understand those who are not on the same page as me, and I am trying hard to help them “speed read”!
People need to catch up!
There is little time left to argue amongst ourselves!
“We pro-lifers know that, but just imagine what the average Joe or Jane American might conclude’
The same thing they would have said anyway, that pro-lifers are terrorists.
The average Joe or Jane has already heard this. No offense but I think you worry too much about what other people think.
The action was wrong but not worth all the hand wringing.
I’m not sympathetic to Tiller. I certainly can’t mourn his passing.
But pro-life has to include moral opposition to murder.
“How do you know he had been attending there?”
The news report I read stated “where he was serving as an usher and his wife was in the choir....” Obviously not a one time visit.
Your post seemed to be dismissing differing opinions as trolls/infiltrators. Whether that was you intention or not. That is a tactic that a lot of folks unfortunately reach for first on here these days.
‘The way to close abortion clinics is to make them obsolete by presenting the pro-life argument so irrefutably that no one wants to use them.”
Other peaceful tactics are to buy the abortionist building and evict them. Or expose their illegal methods to the light and get them closed down.
Those two tactics are much more efficient.
I freaked out when I was reading all the people expressing false sorrow at the sight of a dead Tiller the Killer.
They said we should all do it because the media will smear us if we don’t. No matter what we do the left’s media will smear us so we might as well be true and honest about the stiff. Bill O will smear us for to put himself in our attention in hopes of expanding his audience.
But this time Bill O got caught being honest! He permitted one of Tiller’s victims to go tell the public what Tiller actually does to children and mothers. In a lapse of truth, he is the one who accurately named it “tiller the killer”!
‘Your post seemed to be dismissing differing opinions as trolls/infiltrators. Whether that was you intention or not. That is a tactic that a lot of folks unfortunately reach for first on here these days.’
Not sure which post you are referring to. If its the one I think, I was responding to a posters comment about how FR has a different tone these days.
For example lately I’ve noticed a lot of very outrageous posts usually referencing some blog.
No, he could have repented at an unscheduled time on a Sunday. “Unscheduled” is the key word.
What the heck gave him that idea!?
“No, he could have repented at an unscheduled time on a Sunday. “Unscheduled” is the key word.”
Asking repentance for a sin that you have not forsaken is a waste of time. Not saying you could make the same mistake but if you are an abortionist it does no good to ask gods forgiveness until you have stopped being an abortionist.
And even with Gods forgiveness you will still be judged for your sins.
I do not consider the person who took Tiller's life (sorry, I can't use the word "murder" in this instance), to be "evil."
"Evil" is far too vicious a word to use to describe someone who we (as of right now) know nothing about.
On the other hand, we sure know a lot about Tiller's past.
his death will enhance his image to them, but will put an end to his specific brand of mass murder.
One way or another, even if it was done by a pro-abort, WE are going to be blamed for it.
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So what’s new? WE have been blamed for everything ever since I was old enough to say the words “media bias.”
There is the second one who read what I read. Everyone nuts but you?
The shooting of George Tiller may have been cowardly but one day of killing an abortionist hardly equates to the cowardliness and evil of making A LIFELONG PROFESSION out of killing the unborn.
It’s not a matter of FEELING pure and smug. Nice try—the old “you’re just a purist, I’m a down and dirty pragmatist.”
Look, I am arguing that both in terms of principle and pragmatism it was stupid to kill Tiller, if indeed it was done by someone opposed to his abortion business.
The Hutchinson case has nothing to do with this one—it’s a useless analogy—unless my opposition to killing Tiller was merely a matter of prissy purism.
But it’s not. It’s a matter of hard-headed realism about the struggle we are in. And hard-headed realism says killing Tiller was a stoooooooooppppppiiiiiiddddd for a prolifer to do.
Perhaps it wasn’t done by a prolifer. But even then it will be blamed on us. We lose no matter what. And drawing that conclusion is utterly realistic.
"We have some experience with late terminations; about 10,000 patients between 24 and 36 weeks and something like 800 fetal anomalies between 26 and 36 weeks in the past 5 years." - abortionist George Tiller, declaring his pro-choice credentials in a speech to the National Abortion Federation, April 2-4, 1995, New Orleans, LA.
May God have mercy upon us all.
Alright already what's your dang hurry, your post is not the only post on here to be gleaned? Everyone has a different calling, however I surmise it's not an easy thing to give up your life for a cause you believe in, most of us other than those in the military have not had to confront that.
Let's just say for the sake of brevity that during the Civil War there were 2 opposing sides willing to fight and die for what they believed in. These days with a situation that's much worse I'm afraid only one side is willing to fight and die for what they believe in, and suffice to say, it's not ours.
OK I havent seen that.
But why? Looking at your posting history, I see that you rarely - if ever - explain your charges. With such a vicious charge, I would at least expect some explanation. Thanks in advance.
If you are prolife you are going to be railroaded regardless of what freepers say about the death of tiller the killer. So just be honest and true to yourself and don’t worry about the pro death commentary. You know exactly what they will try to do.
The infamous and unrepentent Tiller the Killer would be real unwelcome in my church building because our congregation does not tolerate unrepentant killers.
No problem. Some on this site worry that the Republican party is drifting to the left - I do share that sentiment. I, more importantly, worry that the Church is drifting away from being a moral authority and that is derived from ignoring the Scriptures.
Well, I would classify “exposing their illegal methods to the light” as presenting a pro-life argument. Im not so sure about buying up buildings though. Im sure that would put a temporary crimp in their operations, but wouldnt they just move to another building?
Agreed. Even though I believe third trimester abortion (this guy’s specialty) is murder, we can neither condone nor celebrate his murder.
To now, we have lived in a Republic which is a government by the rule of laws. If those are the laws, it is our job to change them, not engage in vigilante justice.
Two out of how many?
LOL!
Right. The media and the prodeath mob will say it but that does not make it true. And the public does not believe everything they hear from hysterical liberals.
“However, even if the shooter turns out to be a person with a history in a major prolife organization (doubtful)”
Doubtful, indeed! A true pro-life person does NOT go around murdering people...nobody should jump to any conclusions regarding the motives of the shooter when he hasn’t even been arrested!
“The Left has, through out history, killed, kidnapped, bombed and shot innocents who were only vaguely connected to the “White Establishment” or the “Military Industrial Complex” etc.”
IIRC all US Presidential assassins (and attempted assassins), with the possible exception of John Wilkes Booth, have been either Communists or anarchists.
Well said Laz
This is not the way prolife people should act
The only cowards, IMO, per se....the mothers who choose to abort their fetus. Those are the cowards.
I had asked the question primarily because I don’t think it’s cowardly to take another person’s life. It would seem to me just the opposite. Facing the consequences, the shame...seems very courageous to me.
This shooter has given up his life too, for all intents.
I don’t condone the shooter of the doctor. I just understand how it could happen in today’s climate.
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