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George Tiller (Child Murderer) shot to death at Wichita church
Wichita Eagle ^ | 05/30/2009 | Stan Finger

Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58

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To: tuckrdout

This whole Tiller issue is “much ado about nothing”. We live in a violent world. Because a store clerk, thug, drug addict, husband/wife or doctor is murdered is commonplace. Murder happens everyday in this country.. so why should abortionist be immune?

ANYBODY can potentially be a murderer when pushed to their limits. Welcome and farewell to the real world Mr. Tiller.


1,451 posted on 06/01/2009 7:23:38 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: xzins

You’re welcome. Love it!


1,452 posted on 06/01/2009 7:24:16 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Conservatism is about freedom, and fighting people who want to take it away." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: huldah1776
"I often thought that if Christians stopped warning pagans about the consequences of their sin, and were totally pacifist, the return of the Lord would have happened long ago"

So the Father hasn't already determined, and doesn't already know, the day and the hour and instead is constrained by human beings who get to make that determination?

Really?

1,453 posted on 06/01/2009 7:35:50 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Conservatism is about freedom, and fighting people who want to take it away." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: TheFourthMagi

Your reasoning is emotion driven, circular, and thus flawed.


1,454 posted on 06/01/2009 7:41:52 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Conservatism is about freedom, and fighting people who want to take it away." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: itsahoot

Or we could just forsake the lifeboats because there aren’t enough for everyone. That way everyone dies.

I guarantee it won’t be the elites being allowed to die off.


1,455 posted on 06/01/2009 7:44:11 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: HotLead61; rudman; Glenn; GourmetDan

Bruce: “Terrorism will never work, unless you think death is an end.”

HotLead61: “My reply was intended to address the limited scope of the emotional factors that could have been involved in this man’s actions.”

Bruce: From what further I’ve heard, this guy believed in murdering abortionists. We can now take your interesting scenario off the table that he was avenging a daughter or wife killed in a botched abortion, I think.

Now the question really is for those who are pro-murder as a pro-life strategy - what is your end game?

Terrorism will never work, unless you think death is an end.


1,456 posted on 06/01/2009 8:13:42 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the BIGOTS in the enemedia.])
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To: LonghornFreeper
So, are our brave soldiers "murderers"?

Of course not, you're just an idiot.

1,457 posted on 06/01/2009 8:18:10 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: SeattleBruce
"Now the question really is for those who are pro-murder as a pro-life strategy - what is your end game?"

The question really is; what is your end game?

"Terrorism will never work, unless you think death is an end."

Depends on what definition of 'work' and 'end' you use.

1,458 posted on 06/01/2009 8:19:42 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: TheFourthMagi

I have not taken the time to study if or how God avenges the death of the innocent on a national level. I only looked into His response to the practice of child sacrifice.

An interesting Bible verse is Revelation 18:24 from Young’s literal translation.

“and in her blood of prophets and of saints was found, and of all those who have been slain on the earth.”

How can God judge a city, a great evil city, and see in it the shed blood of all who have been murdered-and this would include Tiller’s? Do I believe Tiller is innocent? I will have to think about that since abortion is legal...he is as innocent as KARL BRANDT, SIEGFRIED HANDLOSER, OSKAR SCHROEDER, KARL GENZKEN, KARL GEBHARDT, RUDOLF BRANDT, JOACHIM MRUGOWSKY, HELMUT POPPENDICK, WOLFRAM SIEVERS, GERHARD ROSE, VIKTOR BRACK, etc.

And also, therefore, I could say, because it is legal, this nation, and every other nation that has legalized abortion, is guilty in God’s eyes.

Am I promoting and subscribing by warning of coming judgment? Christians are to take care of the orphans and widows, and serve as Christ served. We are not to take vengeance, that is God’s job. He will allow what is just. Is national punishment possible? Have you been keeping up with the news lately?

I do not have to do a thing to avenge the death of the innocent, I have but to voice my opinion of its inherent evil, its abomination before the One True God, and the consequences of His wrath.

Believe me, I would love nothing more than to see our nation repent of the abomination of abortion, memorialize the dead, vow to never allow it again with an irreversible amendment to the Constitution, not only to end the shedding of innocent blood which flows through our towns and cities, but to avert the wrath of God.

If you do not believe in God or that He does not judge the nations, then you have no worries.


1,459 posted on 06/01/2009 8:20:20 AM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: redgolum
another doc will step in for the money

supposition just like whatever harm one man has done..

1,460 posted on 06/01/2009 8:22:03 AM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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To: Matchett-PI

I read that first little essay and that was enough.

You’re right I’m not like that.

Movements and candlelight vigils and singing we shall overcome...not me.

Nice talking to you. I appreciate what you folks do but you don’t own the anti-abortion cause.


1,461 posted on 06/01/2009 8:29:36 AM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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To: Matchett-PI

I always wonder about certain scenarios and imagine what if. God knows all, sees all (He witnesses the death of the innocent unborn every day), and yes, I agree with Calvin and have the utmost trust in God’s predestination of all. The book has been written, I’m just one of those people who can read the end of the book and still enjoy reading the whole. It’s the end of this book that keeps me going with peace and joy.


1,462 posted on 06/01/2009 8:33:05 AM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: SolidWood

“Reichstag Fire.”

Yeah, I could see this being used by our National Socialist masters to impose new restrictions.


1,463 posted on 06/01/2009 9:06:17 AM PDT by Jewbacca (Yes, I am very hairy and good with small arms.)
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To: wardaddy
"I read that first little essay and that was enough. You’re right I’m not like that. Movements and candlelight vigils and singing we shall overcome...not me. Nice talking to you. I appreciate what you folks do but you don’t own the anti-abortion cause."

You're not a careful reader, either that, or your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. Stop lumping me in with the people that hold candle vigils, etc.

Not only that, but you used the above excuse to deliberately ignore the commentary I suggested. The word to describe that sort of behavior is, "denial".

1,464 posted on 06/01/2009 9:21:35 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Conservatism is about freedom, and fighting people who want to take it away." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: GourmetDan

Terrorism will “never work”???

Terrorism is wrong, but it does work.

Lets stick to the facts, shall we?

The terrorists are about to use an American President to force their will on Israel.

Terrorism has “worked” to beat down American support of Israel and terrorism has “worked” to increase the power of the Jihad movement!

Again, terrorism is wrong, but terrorism DOES work!


1,465 posted on 06/01/2009 9:40:01 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: redgolum

Actually, only one or two other Docs do the late term stuff that Tiller did.


1,466 posted on 06/01/2009 9:41:52 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
"Again, terrorism is wrong, but terrorism DOES work!"

Please address your comments to the poster who said "terrorism will never work", rather than to me.

1,467 posted on 06/01/2009 10:06:22 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan

I apologize, I thought that I did.
My mistake.


1,468 posted on 06/01/2009 10:24:33 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
The 'Presbyerian Church USA' fund pastors' abortions, including partial birth abortions.

I'm not disputing your word, but I would appreciate any evidence available to substantiate this. I work at an agency affiliated with this denomination, and the thought that this is true horrifies and sickens me. Thanks.

1,469 posted on 06/01/2009 10:27:15 AM PDT by Marathoner (The dream: 1-20-2013, hearing "I, Sarah Heath Palin, do solemnly swear...")
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To: SeattleBruce

I have been instructed by others to direct this comment at you:

Terrorism DOES work!

Terrorism is wrong, but the Islamic Jihad clearly shows that it works!


1,470 posted on 06/01/2009 10:27:22 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
"I apologize, I thought that I did. My mistake."

No problem. I figured that's what you meant.

Congrats on beating Tiller in court, btw.

1,471 posted on 06/01/2009 10:28:45 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Kansas58
"I have been instructed by others to direct this comment at you:"

You are hilarious!

1,472 posted on 06/01/2009 10:29:39 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
Thanks!
I must admit that I had some help.

However, in the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, I represented myself.

In addition to several other points of law, SCOTUS rulings limiting the use of the KKK act, and violations of judicial procedure by the Tyrant Judge Kelly -—

I won because I was NOT a “member” of Operation Rescue, in so far as I had NEVER been arrested for Trespassing or for any other reason.

“An injunction can not issue forth and bind the whole world, those subject to its provisions MUST be NAMED!”

I decided that my various government licenses would be in jeopardy, and the paperwork to messy, if I allowed myself to get sucked in to the “civil disobedience” stuff.

So I picked up purses and bill folds of those being arrested, and waited by the Jail to hand them back to everyone, when they made bail.

The protesters appreciated the fact that a bonded, trusted financial person was handling their stuff.

The police appreciated it that I was relieving them of paperwork.

Then, Judge Kelly buts in, with illegal Federal intrusion under the KKK act, which did NOT apply.

I had taken a video of a cop who actually grabbed a Catholic Nun's ass, who was protesting at Tillers, and had asked her for a “date” when “this gig is over” -—

I got the Wichita cop in serious trouble.

Most of the other cops did not mind.

The Chief of Police was told to stay away from me, that I did not intend to break the law. He was told this by more than one person in City government.

So, the Chief of Police told the US Marshals to take care of me, out of revenge.

The Marshals assumed, (wrongly) that I had an arrest record and (wrongly) that Tillers order applied to me.

So, I WON my case precisely BECAUSE of my individuality, and my ability to plot a middle course in a difficult situation.

Anyway, thanks for your comments.

1,473 posted on 06/01/2009 10:53:52 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: SaraJohnson

Or to stay true to our own, we could say he reaped what he sowed.


1,474 posted on 06/01/2009 11:21:01 AM PDT by Awestruck (Now if we can only get the rest of the "republican" leaders to stand up to the liberals.)
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To: Kansas58

I said “Tiller’s Order” and I guess that was a Freudian slip.
Tiller pretty much ran this town, including Tyrant Judge Kelly.
Tiller brought the lawsuit, under the KKK act, against OR.

Kelly and Tiller BOTH had me falsely arrested by the US Marshals Office.


1,475 posted on 06/01/2009 11:28:44 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

Just under 55,000 views

WOW!

I do not think I will ever post another thread with this kind of attention!


1,476 posted on 06/01/2009 11:57:42 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

Bruce: “Terrorism will never work, unless you think death is an end.”

Kansas58: “Terrorism DOES work! Terrorism is wrong, but the Islamic Jihad clearly shows that it works!”

Bruce: I didn’t say it didn’t work. Read what I said...thank you...


1,477 posted on 06/01/2009 12:25:19 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the BIGOTS in the enemedia.])
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To: Marathoner

“Unrestricted Abortion Remains the Presbyterian Church USA’s Dirty Little Secret”

http://www.layman.org/Editorials.aspx?article=21537
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Anything you want to know about the problems in the Presbyterian Church USA, you will find in Layman.org. If you type in the word ‘abortion,’ you will find many articles to read.

There is another website called ‘Presbyterians Pro-Life’ that calls on the PCUSA “to remove the unlimited coverage of abortion from the Presbyterian Medical Plan.”

http://www.ppl.org/Call.html


1,478 posted on 06/01/2009 1:43:53 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: CheneyChick
The real tragedy is the number lives he has taken.

How many is that? Do you know?

One? Six hundred? A million?

Everybody bemoans the number but none know it.

1,479 posted on 06/01/2009 1:48:03 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: SeattleBruce; Kansas58
"Bruce: “Terrorism will never work, unless you think death is an end.”"

"Bruce: I didn’t say it didn’t work. Read what I said..."

So your definition of whether terrorism 'works' is based on another person's opinion? If that other person thinks death is an end, the answer is yes. If that other person think death is not an end, the answer is no.

"thank you..."

And you insist you aren't nuts?

1,480 posted on 06/01/2009 2:04:54 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: driftdiver

The government should be the absolute last entity to decide on someone’s life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness.


1,481 posted on 06/01/2009 2:29:19 PM PDT by ThreeYearLurker
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To: humblegunner

66,000


1,482 posted on 06/01/2009 2:31:13 PM PDT by ThreeYearLurker
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To: reg45
My condolences to his sister. No matter what the crime, we still love our family.

Janet Napolitano scores one on this!

1,483 posted on 06/01/2009 2:46:24 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (TOTUS = PONZI)
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To: humblegunner
How many is that? Do you know? One? Six hundred? A million? Everybody bemoans the number but none know it.

Wow. Are you really that ignorant? Does it matter if it were two, or two hundred thousand innocent lives terminated to define "tragedy"?

1,484 posted on 06/01/2009 2:50:38 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: CheneyChick
Wow. Are you really that ignorant? Does it matter if it were two, or two hundred thousand innocent lives terminated to define "tragedy"?

It matters when people start making up numbers.

Fake = fake.

Did you know?

1,485 posted on 06/01/2009 3:04:26 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: GourmetDan; Kansas58

So your definition of whether terrorism ‘works’ is based on another person’s opinion?
+++++++++

Not that you and your ad hominem attacks and inane characterizations deserve any response, but for the sake of the discussion, whether terrorism ‘works’ or is ‘effective’ or is deemed a ‘success’ is absolutely based on their goals. If an Islamic terrorist, for instance, prefers death and the next life to this one, and thinks that wreaking havoc and death will bring him advantage in the next life, then killing everyone, or as many as possible means that terrorism is an extremely successful strategy.

My point in this string is that we pro-lifers shouldn’t be imitating that strategy in any way, shape or form.


1,486 posted on 06/01/2009 3:51:55 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the BIGOTS in the enemedia.])
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To: Matchett-PI
Stop lumping me in with the people that hold candle vigils, etc.

glad to hear that though who knows...maybe they are effective...it's only been 36 years now

1,487 posted on 06/01/2009 4:52:46 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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To: ThreeYearLurker

“The government should be the absolute last entity to decide on someone’s life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness.”

Depends, if you mean some dictator then yes. If you mean a jury then no.


1,488 posted on 06/01/2009 5:35:22 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: humblegunner
It matters when people start making up numbers. Fake = fake. Did you know?

You are not making any sense. Perhaps you would like to hear "numbers" in the man's own words...

http://www.dr-tiller.com/images/sixtythousand.mp3

1,489 posted on 06/01/2009 9:13:01 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: huldah1776

Abortion is permitted in America, but America is not an indivisible collective collectively culpable for that, so it would be irrational for all individual Americans to be subjected to some sort of punishment due to abortion being allowed here.

For, as you know, many Americans fight against abortion, and those folks merit being blessed not cursed.


1,490 posted on 06/01/2009 11:45:15 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: CheneyChick

If Tiller had done what he did to just one baby, he would have been no less a horror.

The man was damned with his first murder of an innocent prenatal infant.


1,491 posted on 06/01/2009 11:47:34 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: TheFourthMagi

I agree completely.


1,492 posted on 06/02/2009 5:45:28 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: SeattleBruce
"Not that you and your ad hominem attacks and inane characterizations deserve any response, but for the sake of the discussion, whether terrorism ‘works’ or is ‘effective’ or is deemed a ‘success’ is absolutely based on their goals. If an Islamic terrorist, for instance, prefers death and the next life to this one, and thinks that wreaking havoc and death will bring him advantage in the next life, then killing everyone, or as many as possible means that terrorism is an extremely successful strategy."

So your definition of whether terrorism 'works' is based on another person's opinion. And apparently, anyone who prefers the next life to this one and acts accordingly would be a terrorist in your book.

"My point in this string is that we pro-lifers shouldn’t be imitating that strategy in any way, shape or form."

You just defined terrorism as 'working' and defined anyone who acts for the next life as a 'terrorist'. IOW, pro-lifers should do nothing or you would define them as terrorists.

Nice.

1,493 posted on 06/02/2009 5:48:39 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: freeplancer; metmom; Graybeard58; greyfoxx39
Because this guy blames Mormons for everything. Mind your own business.

This post was just pointed out to me. Slipped by when you posted it. Not surprising, since you breached FR protocol and didn't ping me.

Your claim is a flat out lie.

Unfortunately, you seem to have no ability to separate opposition to the Leftist Liar, Mitt Romney, from your religious beliefs and your church.

1,494 posted on 06/02/2009 10:31:00 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (They tell you that conservatism "can't win" because they don't believe in it. Duh...)
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To: CheneyChick

He’s been given the facts several times and chooses to ignore them.

People do that for those they support, you know.


1,495 posted on 06/02/2009 10:46:50 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Arkinsaw

Well, “Roe” never did anything. She never even had an abortion. But, I do agree with you; I do not believe that we should go around and kill these abortionists. We are for “LIFE”; including the life of the abortionist.

But Tiller is actually a mass murderer. He was more of a killer than Nathanson, or even most abortionists. He killed fully formed, beautiful full term babies-—and his carelessness also killed women who came to his abortatorium.

“Abortion” is a loose term in relation to Tiller. He merely murdered babies for profit. It is despicable!

People may disagree on when life begins...but there is no doubt that Tiller killed babies who had already begun life. They could have lived and been adopted.

Tiller was a politically protected murderer.


1,496 posted on 06/02/2009 12:32:46 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Daily example is the most subtle of poisons.' ~)
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To: prairiebreeze

Your right, he deserved to be arrested, charged with murder and hung. But, our legal system failed to bring him to justice.


1,497 posted on 06/02/2009 12:35:40 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Daily example is the most subtle of poisons.' ~)
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To: tuckrdout
People may disagree on when life begins...

As a side note, disagreeing on when life begins doesn't matter. If you cannot prove when life begins then you MUST give the benefit of the doubt to life.

The analogy I use is....if you have a door to a room.....you cannot take out a machine gun and fire through it and then claim that whether the room is occupied is "just a philosophical question".

Not knowing when life begins defaults to the earliest possible moment......not a later one.
1,498 posted on 06/02/2009 6:36:33 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: driftdiver

“I coulda sworn there were numerous cases where God brought down his wrath”

obviously there are such cases. however, calling down fire from heaven is GOD’s call not ours.

killing in war is not murder. one civilian killing another civilian outside of any war zone is another point.


1,499 posted on 06/03/2009 12:23:41 PM PDT by Psalm_2 (Break up your fallow ground, For it is time to seek the LORD Until He comes..Hos10:12)
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To: Arkinsaw

Oh, of course I agree. If only we could convince everyone else. If only government censorship of the facts and we didn’t have weak elected officials....


1,500 posted on 06/04/2009 11:38:35 AM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Daily example is the most subtle of poisons.' ~)
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