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George Tiller (Child Murderer) shot to death at Wichita church
Wichita Eagle ^ | 05/30/2009 | Stan Finger

Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58

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To: Glenn; doug from upland
Well, that settles it then. Pull the thread and ban everyone on it whom you disagree with.

Apparently you prefer to empower our political enemies with lots of juicy material that is easy to find. The evil creep got shot by another evil creep. By any standard of conservatism, that isn't justice under the rule of law, but such is how it is being lauded here.

As to pulling and banning, I didn't ask for any such thing; it is dishonest and hyperbolic of you to suggest that I did. I did suggest that it is not good for FR to have a thread like this on the Breaking News sidebar because so many of the views expressed stray from conservatism toward mob vengeance. I stand by that opinion.

451 posted on 05/31/2009 11:00:23 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power with a passion for evil.)
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To: Minn
His killer has done more to advance the political strength of the abortion industry than any other act imaginable. The killer is every bit the scum Tiller was

This killing should bring to light the monster this man was to those who live comfortably in this country in the shadow of thousand upon thousands of our unborn killed on a daily basis.

The majority of the country is against partial birth abortion and Tiller was the champion of it. This is a good opportunity for the pro-life movement to shed more light on the atrocities this man has committed over his lifetime.

And I don't share your whacked out opinion that Tiller's killer is as bad as he was, I'm sure the Left will be making that case, you need to be able to counter it.

452 posted on 05/31/2009 11:00:42 AM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: oldfart

To tell the truth, the only thing that’s surprising is how little violence there is or ever has been in the pro-life movement, since many legitimate avenues of protest open to other groups are prohibited to us and even when we succeed in getting a law passed, it’s overturned by activist judges. This means that pro-lifers are constantly being pushed to move outside the law.

But the moral law remains in effect for us, and we cannot accept doing evil - murder, destruction - of any kind for the sake of good. Pro-lifers take the sufferings on their own bodies - such as the 83 yr old priest who was taken off in cuffs at ND - but do not inflict them on others.

Still, the fact remains that when the government has set up a situation where there is increasingly less of a way for people to change the law or even protest it legimitately, there are going to be people who get pushed too far.

That said, it’s still possible that this was a personal grudge or something that had nothing to do with abortion. That’s what I’m hoping for, at least, but since Tiller’s entire life was “about” abortion, I’m not very optimistic.


453 posted on 05/31/2009 11:00:46 AM PDT by livius
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To: freeplancer; EternalVigilance

Funny, you were the one who brought the Mormons up.

If it’s not about Mormons, why’d you do that?

This is not the time or place for a personal vendetta.

Grow up.


454 posted on 05/31/2009 11:01:00 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Isn’t this interesting that the confirmation of Sotomayor will now probably be off the front page. Not saying this is a conspiracy but just the same it is what it is.


455 posted on 05/31/2009 11:01:02 AM PDT by techno
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To: yield 2 the right

While this will be used to harm the pro-life movement it is not the time (never will be) to throw up the hands and declare the fight lost.


456 posted on 05/31/2009 11:01:09 AM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to become slaves of Washington.")
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To: Ol' Sparky

Agreed and part of the point I was trying to make. Thank you for adding what you did.


457 posted on 05/31/2009 11:01:15 AM PDT by cranked
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To: tsmith130

Where did you read this detail about vanity plates?


458 posted on 05/31/2009 11:01:16 AM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: EDINVA
Just 'Dang'. Whatever Tiller *deserved*, this killing just made Janet Nappy's DHS memo a truism. And the RATS will seize on this 'shooting tragedy' as proof that 'right wing gun nuts' and pro lifer's ARE domestic terrorists and need to be 'dealt with'.

Tomorrow's news shows will be full of left wingers, from the Brady Bunch to Planned Parenthood, demanding more gun control laws and laws negating 1st, 4th and 5th Amendment Rights of Pro Life org's.

And I can just see Eric Holder's brain spinning on new ways the DoJ can screw us over. And especially Rahm "Let No Crisis Go To Waste" Emmanuel. He's prolly on the phone now with Hairy Reed (sic) and San Fran Nan on writing new laws asap.

Even if the shooter was a leftist moonbat Obama voter and this was about adultery. They'll use this for pushing gun control and getting all medical (mental) records in a gubmint database pdq.

So this sucks, big time.

459 posted on 05/31/2009 11:01:19 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; All
Morality aside, this is a net win for the pro-life side.
460 posted on 05/31/2009 11:01:27 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: Kansas58

May God have mercy on Tillers soul and on the soul of his killer.


461 posted on 05/31/2009 11:01:52 AM PDT by linn37 (cue the circus music the democrats are back in charge)
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To: SolidWood

SORRY, i GET PARANOID WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN....


462 posted on 05/31/2009 11:02:48 AM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: Cedric

Nope.


463 posted on 05/31/2009 11:03:00 AM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to become slaves of Washington.")
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To: metmom

Thanks for the link metmom


464 posted on 05/31/2009 11:03:08 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: buccaneer81
What does she think of her brother's crimes?

It is not a crime now. It used to be a crime, It may be a crime later, but it is not now.

The only crime that has been committed in the here and now is cold blooded first degree murder.

465 posted on 05/31/2009 11:03:10 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: EternalVigilance
The inevitable destination for a nation that does not protect those who are made in God’s image is chaos.

Impossible to argue with that. Inevitably, the tidal wave is going to wash over those who perpetrated the slaughter, along with those who failed to stop them.

466 posted on 05/31/2009 11:03:43 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: metmom

> You know, there was just a thread about how the dems are waiting for some national tragedy to tighten gun laws.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2261054/posts


467 posted on 05/31/2009 11:03:51 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("If Dick Cheney is Darth Vader, then Barack Obama is Jar-Jar Binks!")
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To: SolidWood

You watch.


468 posted on 05/31/2009 11:03:58 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: Condor51; EDINVA

Democrats wait for tragedy to enact weapon legislation

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2261054/posts


469 posted on 05/31/2009 11:04:03 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Carry_Okie
I stand by that opinion.

Can I lend you a band-aid to cover that hole in your bleeding heart?

470 posted on 05/31/2009 11:04:23 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: metmom

He can’t help it. This is from his page:

My name is James “Jimmy” Simpson and I live in Portland, Oregon. Unlike most of the cowards on here, I stand by what I say and have nothing to hide.

So he admits to being a coward!!! LMAO !!!


471 posted on 05/31/2009 11:04:34 AM PDT by Jeffrey_D.
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To: Glenn
Glenn: "May he rot in hell alongside the mothers who aided him in his “business”."

Matchett-PI: "Shame on you."

Glenn: "For which part?"

For playing God - just like him and those who aided him.

Extremists on the right are no different than extremists on the left - they're merely the flip side of the same extremist coin.

472 posted on 05/31/2009 11:04:34 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Conservatism is about freedom, and fighting people who want to take it away." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Good, I don’t do that. Mind your own business.


473 posted on 05/31/2009 11:04:35 AM PDT by freeplancer
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To: reg45
"Sadly, though, he probably has an assistant who will be proud to carry on the evil work."

Yep, Dr. Kristin Neuhaus who worked hand-in-hand with him, and was cited in the lawsuit for violating the state's laws on late-term abortions. He was aquitted by a jury, but right after the verdict, another complaint against him for the same thing was brought to light. Apparently he was never charged on that one.

474 posted on 05/31/2009 11:04:48 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Carry_Okie
because so many of the views expressed stray from conservatism toward mob vengeance. I stand by that opinion.

Leftists base everything on emotionalism...how they "feel" about things. That road is a road away from conservatism and should not be followed.
475 posted on 05/31/2009 11:05:08 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Slings and Arrows

GMTA. I just looked it up myself.


476 posted on 05/31/2009 11:05:10 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

...and you would not protect innocent human beings from being murdered...by stopping the person about to perform the murder?
You equate the lives of unborn children as the same as children (okay, anyone that has been born) playing in a playground?
If that’s the case, why aren’t you out physically stopping people who perform abortions?
From your perspective, shouldn’t you do everything in your power to stop an abortionist as you would a madman killing children on a playground? What is stoppping you? The law is stopping you? From protecting innocent children?


477 posted on 05/31/2009 11:05:23 AM PDT by CHATTAB
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To: metmom

Because this guy blames Mormons for everything. Mind your own business.


478 posted on 05/31/2009 11:05:31 AM PDT by freeplancer
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To: GCC Catholic
Whoever murdered Tiller likely took away his chance at repentance

Tiller had the chance to repent every minute of his life. As far as we know, he refused.

479 posted on 05/31/2009 11:05:44 AM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan. Pray the Rosary)
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To: Kansas58

“There is a VERY simple response:

“If all prolifers were violent, if all prolifers were vigilantes, Tiller would have been dead a very long time ago!”

But you KNOW that is not how it will play out.


480 posted on 05/31/2009 11:05:44 AM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Maybe Tiller just got shot randomly by some wacko, or by a friend or relative over some money or something.

I wouldn't even be shocked if some leftist group ordered the hit on Tiller to create a backlash against the pro-life movement, which has clearly been winning in the polls of late. My guess is that pro-deathers wouldn't mind sacrificing one of their more extreme members for political gain.

481 posted on 05/31/2009 11:05:48 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Matchett-PI
For playing God

Was I playing God? I had no idea. I thought I was wishing that he rot in hell along with every mother who ever allowed the man to take her child's life.

482 posted on 05/31/2009 11:05:51 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: wagglebee

Morally you are right, but legally, there are degrees of murder and degrees of culpability:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter_in_English_law


483 posted on 05/31/2009 11:06:02 AM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: wardaddy

You fit this bill, too.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2261656/posts?page=472#472


484 posted on 05/31/2009 11:06:03 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Conservatism is about freedom, and fighting people who want to take it away." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Condor51

ding ding ding.


485 posted on 05/31/2009 11:06:26 AM PDT by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Big trouble ahead....


486 posted on 05/31/2009 11:06:38 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: GCC Catholic
3) The most important reason: Whoever murdered Tiller likely took away his chance at repentance. That is the most tragic part of all.

I'm not excusing the killer. But Tiller had a whole lifetime to repent. And if he did not repent, that was his choice. The Bible is pretty clear on this. Nobody knows the day or the hour of our death, except God. Therefore, it is unwise to go walking around in a state of mortal sin.

And that's also why Catholics ask Mary to "pray for us now and at the hour of our death."

God is merciful. He extends His mercy to all. I am sure that Tiller has had many opportunities to repent. And perhaps he did repent at the last. But for everyone, the time runs out, sooner or later.

487 posted on 05/31/2009 11:06:39 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: metmom

Also I could see Obama linking Tiller’s assassination with Sarah Palin’s pro-life speech in Evansville in an attempt to marginalize her pr0-life views and perhaps accuse her views of causing Tiller’s death.

Remember Obama sees everything through a political lens.


488 posted on 05/31/2009 11:06:53 AM PDT by techno
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To: EveningStar
"There are way too many bad posts here."

Then stop reading them.

489 posted on 05/31/2009 11:07:16 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: wardaddy

If you’re NOT praying for Hitler, Pol Pot, even Satan, you obviously missed the Christ’s message.


490 posted on 05/31/2009 11:07:16 AM PDT by fortunate sun (Tell me what books you want to ban and I'll tell you what type of politics you hold.)
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To: EveningStar
This is a sick, vile thread. It should be pulled.


491 posted on 05/31/2009 11:08:13 AM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: Ol' Sparky

I agree. My first thought when I read this story was that the left have sacrificed one of their own to push another agenda.


492 posted on 05/31/2009 11:08:13 AM PDT by banalblues (God help us all.)
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To: techno
Isn’t this interesting that the confirmation of Sotomayor will now probably be off the front page.

It will.

Not saying this is a conspiracy but just the same it is what it is.

It is an opportunity that the Dems will cynically exploit. No conspiracy necessary, any more than it was necessary in Paul Wellstone's death.

493 posted on 05/31/2009 11:08:25 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("If Dick Cheney is Darth Vader, then Barack Obama is Jar-Jar Binks!")
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To: techno
Remember Obama sees everything through a political lens.

Obama and Sibelius are probably doing the Happy Dance right about now.

494 posted on 05/31/2009 11:08:34 AM PDT by livius
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To: Cicero

Good ole Karma! What goes around comes around.


495 posted on 05/31/2009 11:08:37 AM PDT by micmac
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To: cranked

For all we know; someone other than a pro life did it.


496 posted on 05/31/2009 11:08:39 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Cicero

Pharaoh hardened his heart.

Pharaoh hardened his heart.

Pharaoh hardened his heart.

God hardened Pharaoh’s heart.


497 posted on 05/31/2009 11:08:54 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: Slings and Arrows; wagglebee

I just did a quick drive by of DU. It took all of 5 posts before someone commented that we are celebrating here at FR.

And less than that for them to smear the whole *right wing* movement as hypocrites.

Time to go disinfect the computer....


498 posted on 05/31/2009 11:08:55 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: freebilly
This is not good for pro-life supporters....

Which makes it suspicious. And do they have the killer?

499 posted on 05/31/2009 11:09:04 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (The plan... 0 in power for life. At least that's what they told him.)
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To: freeplancer

Removing trash is all of our business.


500 posted on 05/31/2009 11:09:21 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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