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Abortion Doctor Killed in Church
AOL News ^ | May 31, 2009

Posted on 05/31/2009 11:38:34 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued

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To: Clintonfatigued
What this doctor did was indefensible. So is his murder.

Well stated and I agree.

51 posted on 05/31/2009 12:17:53 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Ann Archy

Thats an interesting point.

Without a suspect, how can anyone assume what the motive for the murder was?

Are abortion doctors granted immediate sympathy, just bacause AOL slants the story that way?


52 posted on 05/31/2009 12:18:26 PM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: AuntB

It may have been the father of an aborted baby.


53 posted on 05/31/2009 12:18:31 PM PDT by dr huer
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To: Ann Archy
Why would the Pro-Life movement be smeared if he was killed by a JEALOUS HUSBAND! YOU ASSumed he was killed by some right wing nut, and we don’t know yet who killed him.

Irrelevant. The MSM, and thus all popular culture, will pin this on every pro-lifer, regardless of the motive of the murderer. This is like the burning of the Reichstag.

54 posted on 05/31/2009 12:20:10 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Ann Archy

“It could be a jealous husband or a HITMAN from the left to GET THE ISSUE to THEIR SIDE!”

I don’t buy it. (1) They have won the abortion issue lock, stock and barrel—you can kill babies at any time up until shortly after birth and the government will use my tax dollars to pay for it; (2) He was one of only three doctors in the country that performed partial birth abortions. The left loves these guys. Why would they kill one of their leading lights to win a battle they have already won.

I bet it will turn out to be someone who thinks he is pro-life who has, in reality, just made himself no better than the abortionist. I’ll pray for their souls and for the souls of those they have murdered.


55 posted on 05/31/2009 12:20:34 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: eccentric
I think Larry Hatteberg, newscaster KAKE, is about to cry. sick jerk Tiller was his hero.

His name will be spoken with the hushed reverence of all pro-choice martyrs.

The name of Tiller is now sacred and unspeakably holy. As was the man himself. Or...was He just a man......?

56 posted on 05/31/2009 12:22:16 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Pat Robertson may have been correct safter all, eh?


57 posted on 05/31/2009 12:25:38 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: eccentric

Ugh.


58 posted on 05/31/2009 12:35:58 PM PDT by madison10
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran (ELCA) Ping!

Veni, Sanctae Spiritus!

59 posted on 05/31/2009 12:36:51 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini.)
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To: knarf
Once again, Lincoln's Second Inaugural address comes to mind:

If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

60 posted on 05/31/2009 12:37:33 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("Baldrick, to you the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?")
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To: Ann Archy

I did NOT assume anything. I never said I did! I don’t know who killed this guy, never said I did and I don’t CARE! YOU are the only one assuming anything and saying I said things I did NOT say. YOU can’t read. And you vote? Good lord, and we wonder what is wrong with this country???? You twist something and just won’t let go.

This is why forums like this are such a gigantic waste of freakin’ time! Nothing is accomplished, except to let some of you off-the-edge types bitch and moan. You never offer any information, you just attack with no reason those who might.

I’m done with it. The idiots have won. Carry on!

You can attack me for what I say, but I’ll be damned if I hang around somewhere and be attacked for something I never said. The left just loves fools like you when you prove you can’t even follow a simple discussion.

Now, go ahead and twist this NON CONVERSATION some more, I won’t be back to read it.


61 posted on 05/31/2009 12:39:48 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: HighWheeler
Just call it a really late-term abortion.

Too clever by half. The Left is going to go after normal church-goers and gun-owners with a fury now that they have some incident like this to use as a pretext.

Gird your loins, mark my words, as Biden might say. Here comes a "manufactured crisis".

62 posted on 05/31/2009 12:42:00 PM PDT by Publius Maximus (God, please let 2010 and 2012 come quickly...)
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To: crz

Well said, and right on the money. I am just furious with our side and especially our ‘leadership’ who is still to this day governed by fear of leftist criticism. As though they aren’t going to criticize anyway. Wake up, everybody.


63 posted on 05/31/2009 12:42:15 PM PDT by raptor29
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To: Clintonfatigued
Late-term abortion doctor George Tiller, a prominent advocate for abortion rights wounded by a protester more than a decade ago, was shot and killed Sunday at his church in Wichita, a city official said.

Does that qualify as a late term abortion?

64 posted on 05/31/2009 12:44:55 PM PDT by stevem
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To: dr huer; Clintonfatigued

“It may have been the father of an aborted baby.”

Hell, it ‘may have been’ Howdy Doody!

I have no idea and don’t care. I don’t speculate. There are enough of those to do that. There are too many nuts on both sides of this topic. I was answering a ‘ping’ and responded to the posters statement. Please notice I have NOT posted on these threads except to agree with a general principal by the poster.


65 posted on 05/31/2009 12:45:09 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Balding_Eagle; All

Balding_Eagle wrote:

“but the entire pro-life movement will be smeared by the radical feminists and news media.”

They were already doing that yesterday. This won’t change that.

________________

That is NOT my quote. Just to be clear, I am being attributed with saying things on this thread that I DID NOT say. Please try posting more clearly, everyone.

The statement, whoever made it, is correct.


66 posted on 05/31/2009 12:49:59 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

“The idea that a late-term abortion doctor goes to church just boggles my mind.”

Why? Zero says he’s a Christian”!?


67 posted on 05/31/2009 12:52:04 PM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: AuntB

Sorry, I should have seen that.


68 posted on 05/31/2009 12:56:09 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries for the American farmer.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Molech, meet George Tiller. He’ll be staying with you for a long time...


69 posted on 05/31/2009 12:59:09 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Thank you, Balding_Eagle. Your generous manners are appreciated.


70 posted on 05/31/2009 1:01:08 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: drypowder

“KARMA”

It seems so...


71 posted on 05/31/2009 1:08:20 PM PDT by aimee5291
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To: Clintonfatigued

while I dont condone his murder, he is now facing his reckoning with his creator and being asked why did he gleefully murder thousands of innocent human babies who did nothing to offend him or his family!!


72 posted on 05/31/2009 1:09:28 PM PDT by prophetic (God, let 0Bama and his evil plans for this country fail & let him be utterly disgraced like HAMAN!!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I’m not shedding ONE tear over this. I think of the hundreds of babies who will be saved because this monster is dead.


73 posted on 05/31/2009 1:10:35 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: AuntB

You got that right.


74 posted on 05/31/2009 1:11:02 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: raptor29

Amen.


75 posted on 05/31/2009 1:11:26 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: pnh102

ME, TOO, PNH.


76 posted on 05/31/2009 1:12:37 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Obama would use it as an excuse to open the floodgates for abortion

How much more open can the flood gates be? The US has the most liberal abortion posture in the entire world already.

77 posted on 05/31/2009 1:15:51 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: All

For the sake of accuracy

I think story should read alleged Doctor receives procedure at so called church.

Comming Attractions-
Mathew Sheppard Memorial Association of Media Drama Queens on full alert, ‘Lessons’ incoming.

George Soros Institute of tortured Logic, Columbia School of Journalism and the staff of MSNBC on conference call, as we speak, getting the exact phrasing on new meme connecting this event with the Supreme Court nomination.

NYT and Washington Post activate the ‘Abu_Ghraib Quick Response Team” promising to out do their previous records for continuous front page coverage of a story.


78 posted on 05/31/2009 1:16:01 PM PDT by Jonah Johansen ("Coming soon to a neighborhood near you")
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To: drypowder

Yep, what goes around, comes around, or somethin’ like that.


79 posted on 05/31/2009 1:16:05 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Doctor Don

Me, either.


80 posted on 05/31/2009 1:17:24 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: MrLee
Zero says he’s a Christian”!?

That's nothing. The devil is a Christian.

81 posted on 05/31/2009 1:30:21 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("Baldrick, to you the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?")
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To: exist
Murder is bad so I would have preferred that the guy crushing living fetuses brains for a living not get killed but overall I feel as sad today as I was when Saddam Hussein was hanged which on a scale of 1-10 is about a -0.5

I'm with you. I would never have done it and don't advocate it but I certainly understand it and at least we know Tiller the Killer won't be killing any more babies.

The score is 60,000 to one so I just can't feel bad.

God have mercy on the shooter.

82 posted on 05/31/2009 1:33:47 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: aimee5291
‘The idea that a late-term abortion doctor goes to church just boggles my mind.’

The idea that a church would allow this man to commune is what boggles my mind.

83 posted on 05/31/2009 1:36:25 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Clintonfatigued

I hope this will not be a case of: round up the usual suspects...


84 posted on 05/31/2009 2:03:07 PM PDT by thinking
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To: Clintonfatigued
"Not only was a life murdered in a house of worship, but the entire pro-life movement will be smeared by the radical feminists and news media."

SO what's new about that? Stop worrying what they say in the MSM. Ignore them, and continue to do what is right!

Believe it or not, there are more of us, than there is of them: and that's the truth!

85 posted on 05/31/2009 2:09:56 PM PDT by Hillarys nightmare (So Proud to be living in "Jesus Land" ! Don't you wish everyone did?)
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To: Clintonfatigued
"What this doctor did was indefensible. So is his murder.

I agree with the first part entirely.

It's just the second part of your statement I'm having trouble with.

86 posted on 05/31/2009 2:12:21 PM PDT by Hillarys nightmare (So Proud to be living in "Jesus Land" ! Don't you wish everyone did?)
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To: Jonah Johansen

I agree that he should be called an alleged doctor. Doctors promise to promote health, but, when someone performs an abortion, he or she kills a person. Any doctor who does that should lose his or her license.


87 posted on 05/31/2009 2:22:31 PM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: HighWheeler
Quote of the week right there. I don't care who ya are, that's funny........


88 posted on 05/31/2009 2:38:23 PM PDT by Viking2002 (This tagline for rent.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Not only was a life murdered in a house of worship, but the entire pro-life movement will be smeared by the radical feminists and news media.

How will this be something new?

89 posted on 05/31/2009 2:51:39 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Publius Maximus
The Left is going to go after normal church-goers and gun-owners with a fury now that they have some incident like this to use as a pretext.

At this point, that might actually be a good thing. Far too many of both of those groups thought the Democrats were A-OK last November. If it takes this to make them open their eyes and push back, so be it.

90 posted on 05/31/2009 3:33:03 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: AuntB; Clintonfatigued
Isn’t it amazing when one right wing nut does something horrible, we are ALL horrible, but when a majority of some of our ‘minorities’ create havoc day after day (most not reported), they are just ‘victims’?

So when presented with that attack, we can counter with, *Then all Muslims are terrorists because of 9/11*, or *All Italians are murders because one was a Mafia hit man.* Or some other such ridiculous analogy.

OTOH, we could point out that for the decades that abortion has been permitted and the millions who have opposed abortion, this sort of event is exceedingly rare.

91 posted on 05/31/2009 3:57:04 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: samtheman
Ann Coulter calls them 4th trimester abortions.

It is ironic that the left should be so up in arms about him getting killed what with what he did every day.

He died far easier than those he killed.

92 posted on 05/31/2009 4:00:40 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Skooz; Ann Archy; Clintonfatigued
Irrelevant. The MSM, and thus all popular culture, will pin this on every pro-lifer, regardless of the motive of the murderer.

Exactly as they are doing over at DU. FR is being mentioned frequently.

They are up in arms about the *good doctor*s death, but of course, don't bother to condemn him the thousands he's killed. No, he's provided a *valuable service* to women of the world, lauding him for saving women's lives, totally ignoring the lives of the countless babies he has slaughtered in the most unspeakable ways.

93 posted on 05/31/2009 4:12:17 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I wonder if GOD thinks he provided a “valuable service”??? Hmmmmmmmm...even an ATHEIST could answer that one.


94 posted on 05/31/2009 4:14:42 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: metmom

I think this killing was an in-house job. The left sacrificing one of its own to strengthen it’s political hand.


95 posted on 05/31/2009 4:37:40 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Clintonfatigued; Reagan Man
>> This is horrible. Not only was a life murdered in a house of worship, but the entire pro-life movement will be smeared by the radical feminists and news media. <<

I agree. Reagan Man thinks Tiller's death will lead to less abortions. I actually think it could possibly lead to more abortions, since Obama can use it as an excuse to demonize pro-lifers and put more restrictions on pro-life causes. The circumstances of Tiller's death (killing him as he attends church is really low) certainly give the left an excuse to make him a maryter for their cause.

One freeper compared it to killing Hitler? That's wrong. Tiller wasn't the one who created the abortion-on-demand culture in America, he was just a willing advocate of that culture doing his best for the cause. If someone in 1938 had assassinated an sleazy SS officer while the NAZI attended his daughter's birthday party (let's say this was a particularly well known SS officer who made no bones about his day job of throwing Jews in the oven and gave interviews about how it was necessary for the survival of the 'Aryan race'), would that have slowed down the Holocaust? Most likely the assassin would quickly terminated and the concretation camp would back in business tomorrow with a newly promoted NAZI officer to run the ovens in his place.

It reminds me of all the whining about how the Vatican supposedly "did nothing" to stop the Holocaust because they didn't publicly go after the NAZI regime. One bishop in a NAZI country actually tried loudly denouncing them, and the result was Hitler's henchmen arrested him and had him killed.

The way we ended the holocaust was eliminating the NAZI government, the way we ended slavery was by subduing the confederacy and abolishing the pro-slavery laws, and the way abortion will end is by doing away with the "constitutional right" to abortion in the United States.

Until then, I think it will be "business as usual" at Tiller's clinic with his "legacy" being carried on by other doctors to take his place.

And yes I absolutely condemn taking the law into your own hands and murdering a civilian while they're at church.

No doubt we're seeing alot of hypocrisy from the left today the way they're denouncing pro-lifers who say Tiller deserved to die. This is the same crowd who openly talked of killing Bush and said the end goal would justify his death.

96 posted on 05/31/2009 4:52:17 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

The killer should plead not guilty of murder, just a VERY LATE TERM ABORTION.


97 posted on 05/31/2009 4:54:01 PM PDT by weezel
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To: hinckley buzzard

It’s almost asking for trouble to ask the question “How much worse could things get?” Because invariably, the answer is “Lots!”

What you pointed out, the abortions themselves, is just one facet to what Obama could involve himself with. He could push for laws against any protest, he could spend vast amounts of money on developing new means to abort fetuses, huge subsidies to abortion providers, even advertisements to encourage women to have abortions.

Efforts might be made to coerce abortions, and don’t think it impossible, it’s been done before in the US, of children who might be retarded, or have “bad genes”, or from women who have already had some children. Most horrible of all, encouraging doctors to kill infants already born, but that are “defective”.

In Britain, there have been child “euthanasia” over as little as an easily repairable cleft palate. The child’s life was worth less than a small, cosmetic scar on their upper lip.

So be very careful asking the question “How much worse could things get?” Because invariably, the answer is “Lots!”


98 posted on 05/31/2009 4:58:17 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Clintonfatigued

This is a gift to Obama and the Left.

The murder of Tiller gives Obama the moral high ground on abortion. It gives Obama credibility to his Notre Dame speech.

Also the late night comics will have a field day.

“Anti-abortion wackos want you to repsect life or they’ll kill you.”

“Guns don’t kill people. Anti-abortion wackos do.”

The murder of Tiller comes at a bad time. Just when the pro-life sentiment was gaining the polls. Now comes this murder.


99 posted on 05/31/2009 7:45:33 PM PDT by DanZanRyu
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To: exist

Murder is bad so I would have preferred that the guy crushing living fetuses brains for a living not get killed but overall I feel as sad today as I was when Saddam Hussein was hanged which on a scale of 1-10 is about a -0.5

I am NO fan of this guy but the facts need to be spoken. These late term abortions are not done with the brain being crushed but instead the baby is first put to sleep and then the heart stopped, similar to a pet being put down. And these cases are always done due to severe birth defects that are not compatible with life. Most of which are not Downs Syndrome but situations much more severe.

With that being said, I am still pro-life 99.9% of the time but I do see grey issues. Flame away.

100 posted on 05/31/2009 7:58:10 PM PDT by inflorida
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