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TILLER SUSPECT IN CUSTODY (KAKE Ch10 Wichita)
KAKE News ^ | 5/31/09

Posted on 05/31/2009 12:15:41 PM PDT by Crazieman

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To: NavVet

This is what is happening across the board, with all issues.

The left is making it impossible for people to address their grievances through the political process,

and other means will be taken when that pressure cooker blows.


101 posted on 05/31/2009 1:03:19 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Crazieman

Interviewee on Fox commenting, “...and in a church! the one place you would think a person would be safe...”
I can think of another.


102 posted on 05/31/2009 1:04:09 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Confirm thy soul in self-control, thy liberty in law.)
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To: xzins

I would agree that no harm can come to me unless God’s allows it, but I do not think that also means that God intends for all evil to occur. It it were so, man could not reasonably be held responsible for his actions; and I do not believe for a second that position can be supported by the Bible.


103 posted on 05/31/2009 1:04:30 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: ElayneJ
Why would the killer choose to commit this crime with a roomful of witnesses present?

At church his guard would be down and he would not have security with him as he probably would going to the abortion clinic. Also, Tiller was an usher and all he would have to do is sit next to the aisle and Tiller would walk right up to him.

104 posted on 05/31/2009 1:04:50 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Bushbacker1
Tiller Was Serving as Usher When He Was Shot

Now Tiller can serve as Usher for the Last Eternal Church of Satan way down south in Hellville.
105 posted on 05/31/2009 1:05:05 PM PDT by mkjessup (Yeah, I'm praying for 0bama. Praying for God to light his ass up with a major lightning bolt.)
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To: SeaHawkFan
"Depending on the state of mind of the killer, the punishment for the crime for what he may eventually be convicted might be far less.

That's not the way it works. He's either sane, or he's insane. Insanity is going to be virtually impossible to prove as he fled the seen. Fleeing the seen is prima fascia evidence of consciousness of guilt.

His only hope is to plead to a second degree or manslaughter charge. But, if it goes to trial, I can promise you it will be first degree murder. Here's the law and minimums in Kansas...

Second Degree Murder

Second degree murder is an intentional killing that was not premeditated. Second degree murder can also be charged in instances where the killing was unintentional but reckless under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life.

The sentencing guidelines provide a range of sentence from a minimum of 147 months imprisonment to a maximum prison term of 653 months on an intentional killing, and a range of 109 months to a maximum of 493 months on an unintentional but reckless killing.

Voluntary Manslaughter

Voluntary Manslaughter is the intentional killing of a human being upon a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion or upon the unreasonable but honest belief that circumstances existed that justified deadly force.

The sentencing guidelines provide a range of sentence from a minimum of 55 months imprisonment to a maximum prison term of 247 months.


106 posted on 05/31/2009 1:05:39 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Crazieman

Too bad the guy who shot the abortionist, did not stick around and face the music. Now he is just another coward deserving of the death penalty himself.


107 posted on 05/31/2009 1:07:01 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: prophetic

I’ve seen it several times. It’s one of those movies that is hard to turn off when you start watching it. His morals were certainly suspect, but he was a great man for what he did for Afganistan and the defeat of the Soviet Union in both Afganistan and ultimately the Cold War.

Charlie Wilson is a great example of how God can use imperfect men to do his will.


108 posted on 05/31/2009 1:07:21 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: IrishCatholic; pallis
They already have. Mike Hendricks at the KC Star on the Prime Buzz blog has spilled a vitriol filled post calling all pro lifers accomplices.

They should fear that. How many abortionists will there be if pro-lifers start taking the law into their own hands.

109 posted on 05/31/2009 1:07:24 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: FutureRocketMan; All

“This could hurt the Pro-life movement. scratch that, it WILL hurt the pro-life movement.”

NOT if we frame the debate the way the Democrat-Worshipping media would.

We simply describe Tiller’s death as:

“A VERY Late-Term Abortion in the 272nd Tri-mester.

YOU wouldn’t stand against ABORTION, would you, Ms. Gay Network Segment Producer? That would be VERY un-PC, you know!”


110 posted on 05/31/2009 1:07:43 PM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: xzins

How about people unrelated to you in immediate threat of life?


111 posted on 05/31/2009 1:07:50 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: narses

The St. Paul Area(MN) Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has among its three main goals this decade “to ensure that no person is forced to live in poverty.’’

this sounds to me like politicing to me. another way of saying, if the church can’t take care of all the poor, we’ll make sure the government does via confiscating your money,whether you’re religious or not.

The ELCA in MN were also some of the main opponents in lawsuits against concealed carry laws passing in MN.


112 posted on 05/31/2009 1:08:04 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: Fabozz
By this single act, the shooter has set back the pro-life cause decades. He has condemned more babies to death than Tiller ever dreamed of killing.

How so?

113 posted on 05/31/2009 1:08:47 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Crazieman

The gun-hating Brady Bunch is squealing with glee. They’ve been praying for a highly visible shooting so they could use the corpse as a soapbox to stand on and speechify, and now they have one.


114 posted on 05/31/2009 1:09:03 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Crazieman

This was the wrong action for anyone to take. Dr Tiller deserved the right to repent and this has been violently taken from him.

Violence is not always the answer to every situation. This was not a “kill or be killed” scenario.

I hope we get to hear the reason for the shooting.


115 posted on 05/31/2009 1:09:44 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann in 2012. With Liz Cheney as Secretary of State.)
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To: Crazieman
Tiller owns the entire justice and political system here. Nearly every judge is in his back pocket.

Not any more.
116 posted on 05/31/2009 1:10:22 PM PDT by mkjessup (Yeah, I'm praying for 0bama. Praying for God to light his ass up with a major lightning bolt.)
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To: SeaHawkFan; Dr. Eckleburg; wagglebee; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan

I believe that many human leaders in the past have allowed great evils to happen, and that because they saw a greater good that would result.

One example, of course, is Truman’s atomic bombing of Japan.

Another example, against his own people, is Churchill’s not warning known bombing sites in England, because he did not wish to reveal the Axis code had been broken.

This work is proceeding exactly as it should. God is in control, AND men are responsible for their own acts, AND it will all work out for the good.

Don’t you believe that???


117 posted on 05/31/2009 1:10:30 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: MrB
The left is making it impossible for people to address their grievances through the political process...

No, that is simply a poor excuse for a person who is unable to construct a salient social-political argument is difficult times.

118 posted on 05/31/2009 1:11:00 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: ElayneJ; Ann Archy
This from KAKE 10:

Attorney Dan Monnat said Tiller, one of the nation's most visible and strident advocates for abortion rights, was shot as he served as an usher during morning services at Reformation Lutheran Church. Monnat said Tiller's wife, Jeanne, was in the choir at the time of the shooting.

119 posted on 05/31/2009 1:11:25 PM PDT by Road Warrior 04 (I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012!)
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To: xzins; stockpirate; wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; Corin Stormhands; enat; blue-duncan
there are 3 moral justifications for killing: a just war, true self defense, and legal/moral capital punishment.

If the killer did this solely because of Tiller's abortion business why isn't it morally justified?

120 posted on 05/31/2009 1:12:06 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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