Skip to comments.TILLER SUSPECT IN CUSTODY (KAKE Ch10 Wichita)
Posted on 05/31/2009 12:15:41 PM PDT by Crazieman
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A body believed to be that of George Tiller is removed from Reformation Lutheran Church on Sunday. A gunman shot the abortion provider dead in the lobby of the church.
Just out of curiosity, I wonder abort the aborted babies. How are their remains handled?
whole things is a bit odd to me.
Probably in a lot of states that have capital punishment, but not in Kansas. Kansas has very restrictive guidlines with respect to whom may be charged with a capital offense. They are...
The death penalty may only be given in circumstances where a defendant is convicted of pre-meditated first degree murder under the following limited factual circumstances:
* during a kidnapping for ransom
* during a killing committed under a contract or agreement
* the killing of any person by someone confined in a state correctional institution, community correction institution or jail or while in official custody
* a killing during the commission of, or attempt to commit, a rape or aggravated sodomy of any person
* the killing of a law enforcement officer
* the killing of more than one person as part of the same act or in two or more acts connected together
* the killing of a child under age 14 during a kidnapping or aggravated kidnapping with the intent to commit a sex offense upon the child
Finally, I don't believe Kansas has executed anyone in over 30 years. Plus, they only have a handful of people on death row, so it's not something that they dole out with any regularity.
How about that timing?
I’m having masses said and continue to pray for his soul, as well as for his family.
Yes, I read it and that will be a tough sell to the jury after the prosecutor points out that the shooter had time to think about his actions and turn his car around and go home.
Do they now use lethal injection to execute murderers in Kansas or do they still hang murderers as they did to the thugs that killed Herbert Clutter and his family as depicted in the book “In Cold Blood?”
With a real open and notorious killer, you are in danger.
You were not in danger from Dr Tiller, and the state-justified murders were taking place at 1926 Sunflower State Lane, during specified hours. (I made that up, Kansas being the Sunflower State)
Will you also justify the killing of the judges and legislators who permit Dr. Tiller to proceed? Is it also justified to murder Governor DoNothing and Representative GiveADamn?
Tiller is lucky I’m not God.
I’d grade on a curve.
It was hanging until the suspension of the death penalty, now its lethal injection.
Socialism is far more murderous yet media libs always defend it.
Let’s hope one of the pols, top cops or leaders didn’t find out he performed an abortion on their wife (who they didn’t know was cheating or was pregnant and didn’t tell them).
All things come to light... and God knows.
Damn, they are getting soft up there in Kansas.
When no justice exists, only the rule of those in power, what is the correct response.
If I know a woman who is planning to abort her baby, it is my moral duty to try to stop her. However, if she persists, I do not have the moral right to follow her to the abortuary and kill her or the abortionist.
If the baby is a living human being, just not born yet, don't you have a greater moral responsibility to protect innocent life? The woman and abortionist are not innocent and they are making a choice to kill an innocent life.
One more nail in the confiscation of guns from right-wing extremists.
I just don't think it's reasonable to believe that an attorney could successful prove his client "was in fear for his life", or that "other circumstances existed that justified deadly force", when that same client gunned down a presumably unarmed and certainly older man who was acting as an usher during Sunday morning worship services.
You can't shoot a man in cold blood for doing something that is legal, no matter how reprehensible that "something" is, in this case late term abortion. As a matter of criminal law, this shooter will probably receive a lengthy sentence provided that he's indeed guilty and his subsequently convicted.
I don't disagree with anything in this post. I would add that just because God knows everything in advance means he causes every event to happen.
I justify nothing, I simply point out that babies were killed daily by the dead Tiller.
I guess I’m not a very good Christian because my first though was “it’s about time”. I know that is not the best reaction to have, but I am speaking as a woman who was given up for adoption in the Kansas City area. It is only by the beliefs of my mother that the man who was killed today did not murder me.
Statement from Tiller’s family:
May 31, 2009
Dan Monnat and Lee Thompson, Dr. George Tillers attorneys, issued the following statement today at the request of Mrs. Jeanne Tiller, the Tillers four children and ten grandchildren:
Today we mourn the loss of our husband, father and grandfather. Todays event is an unspeakable tragedy for all of us and for Georges friends and patients. This is particularly heart wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace.
We would like to express the familys thanks for the many messages of sympathy from our friends and from all across the nation. We also want to thank the law enforcement officers who are investigating this crime.
Our loss is also a loss for the City of Wichita and women across America. George dedicated his life to providing women with high-quality heath care despite frequent threats and violence. We ask that he be remembered as a good husband, father and grandfather and a dedicated servant on behalf of the rights of women everywhere.”
“NOT if we frame the debate the way the Democrat-Worshipping media would.
We simply describe Tillers death as:
A VERY Late-Term Abortion in the 272nd Tri-mester.
YOU wouldnt stand against ABORTION, would you, Ms. Gay Network Segment Producer? That would be VERY un-PC, you know!”
I love it!
He should fry (not to put too fine a point on it.)
Your posts scare me, quite frankly. By your reasoning, because you don’t think there is justice for whomever is pro-life, they are justified to murder at will? You need serious help. Its nutjobs like you that give FR a bad name.
If we agree with the murderer of Tiller, then we MUST logically also agree with the murder of a murderer’s accomplices.
Therefore, we have a chain of justification to include complicit judges and politicians.
More. In our voter system, we can justify the murder of accomplices who VOTE FOR the politicians who permit abortion to continue.
All are accomplices.
Are we now free to support the murder of Geraldine Treehugger, democratic voter, by anti-abortion vigilantes?
Christin was 19 years old when George Tiller killed her.
Killing unborn children is health care?
Possible the shooter had been dianosed as terminal and did it as one of his last action. Nothing to loose.
I am at a loss here. I do NOT condemn the killing of “Dr.” Tillman. He deserved to die, as do the rest of abortion “doctors”. I also believe that those who commit crimes and are not justly dealt with by government (law enforcement) deserve justice provided by those willing to do justice.
I am not sure that a body-guard or escort deserves the same though.
“If we agree with the murderer of Tiller, then we MUST logically also agree with the murder of a murderers accomplices.”
Why? Can and will they keep killing without his ‘license’?
This wireless keyboard plays havoc on my already suspect typing and spelling skills.
I just can’t grieve for him. I do grieve for all the babies he’s killed.
Why drag the Mod into this?
Here is the problem.
Abortion has been imposed on us by the judiciary. If we had resolved this through the legislative process we may not have liked the end result, but we would have had input in the law. Also, we would have the opportunity to change the law if we could develop enough support for our position.
However, because the courts have decided to impose new law, with out the consent of the governed, and there is no recourse justice does not exist just the rule of the many by the few.
If that were the case, pro-lifers could freely murder not only abortion doctors, but also doctors who prescribe birth control pills.
Do you think this message might reach the "rulers" on the courts who imposed these vile practices on us? Maybe the most ardent in the pro-life movement have come to a place where they realize there is no justice.
Condoning murder is just stupid. I don't care what the 'cause' is.
Thats my guess but we dont know and everyone is ASSuming that the killer is with the PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT!
You have a point, but what’s the difference when everyone is going to blame the pro-life community. I hope that the person that served justice to Tillman was someone whose female family member went to him to have an abortion.
To take up arms to defend the life of an unborn child is not murder, it is defense of a person who has no ability to protect itself.
It is defending the defense, thus providing self-defense for the child.
So by some here our founding fathers had no right to attck the British.
Sending troops to Iraq was not whta we should have done, as they did not attack us.
I think we have the right to defend life and liberty by whatever means required.
I don't know the exact number, but it is in the thousands.
If this killer is related to Christin, then I certainly sympathize with him, and with any family victim of any of his abortions.
Their murder of Tiller, I could see as a lesser form of homicide
Fine, then fight your own battles.
Diagnosed as terminal, ala Jack Ruby? Let the conspiracy theories begin !
Huh? Do you condone the kind of ‘justice’ being tossed around here? Yes or no.
I asked the question on another thread and someone responded 60,000. That does seem high but who knows. If that’s a ball park figure, then we need to find out how much he got paid per dead baby.
Ol George do a lot of pro bono work for those women? I have a feeling Ol George was motivated by profit.
He may also have been psychotic or otherwise ill. We'll have to wait and see if he is an avenger or just one sick puppy.
At one time, shortly after it opened, the speed limit on the Kansas Turnpike was "Reasonable & Proper". You could drive as fast as traffic and your ability to maintain control would let you.
That's how one could get from Wichita to K.C. in, say, two hours...back in the time.
If you believe that to be true, you should follow through and murder an abortion doctor. However, I do not think you are strong enough in your belief to face the consequences.
Have we not thought of the possibility that a radical pro-choice politician or advocate payed this person to gun down Tillman to frame it as either a “obvious reason why we need stricter gun restrictions” or “tighter laws on demonstrations at” murder mills? Could this be the way FOCA comes to the floor of the Senate, or how the anti-gun legislation rears its ugly face?