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TILLER SUSPECT IN CUSTODY (KAKE Ch10 Wichita)
KAKE News ^ | 5/31/09

Posted on 05/31/2009 12:15:41 PM PDT by Crazieman

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To: AliVeritas

A body believed to be that of George Tiller is removed from Reformation Lutheran Church on Sunday. A gunman shot the abortion provider dead in the lobby of the church.

Just out of curiosity, I wonder abort the aborted babies. How are their remains handled?

151 posted on 05/31/2009 1:30:32 PM PDT by csvset
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To: Ann Archy

whole things is a bit odd to me.


152 posted on 05/31/2009 1:30:34 PM PDT by Blogger (It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins. - Ben Franklin)
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To: trumandogz
This looks to be a death penalty case.

Probably in a lot of states that have capital punishment, but not in Kansas. Kansas has very restrictive guidlines with respect to whom may be charged with a capital offense. They are...

The death penalty may only be given in circumstances where a defendant is convicted of pre-meditated first degree murder under the following limited factual circumstances:

* during a kidnapping for ransom
* during a killing committed under a contract or agreement
* the killing of any person by someone confined in a state correctional institution, community correction institution or jail or while in official custody
* a killing during the commission of, or attempt to commit, a rape or aggravated sodomy of any person
* the killing of a law enforcement officer
* the killing of more than one person as part of the same act or in two or more acts connected together
* the killing of a child under age 14 during a kidnapping or aggravated kidnapping with the intent to commit a sex offense upon the child

Finally, I don't believe Kansas has executed anyone in over 30 years. Plus, they only have a handful of people on death row, so it's not something that they dole out with any regularity.

153 posted on 05/31/2009 1:30:44 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: the invisib1e hand

How about that timing?

I’m having masses said and continue to pray for his soul, as well as for his family.


154 posted on 05/31/2009 1:32:07 PM PDT by AliVeritas (I wake up, the evil one cries.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Yes, I read it and that will be a tough sell to the jury after the prosecutor points out that the shooter had time to think about his actions and turn his car around and go home.

Do they now use lethal injection to execute murderers in Kansas or do they still hang murderers as they did to the thugs that killed Herbert Clutter and his family as depicted in the book “In Cold Blood?”


155 posted on 05/31/2009 1:32:25 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: DuncanWaring; P-Marlowe; wagglebee; narses

With a real open and notorious killer, you are in danger.

You were not in danger from Dr Tiller, and the state-justified murders were taking place at 1926 Sunflower State Lane, during specified hours. (I made that up, Kansas being the Sunflower State)

Will you also justify the killing of the judges and legislators who permit Dr. Tiller to proceed? Is it also justified to murder Governor DoNothing and Representative GiveADamn?


156 posted on 05/31/2009 1:32:57 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Tiller is lucky I’m not God.

I’d grade on a curve.


157 posted on 05/31/2009 1:34:15 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: trumandogz

It was hanging until the suspension of the death penalty, now its lethal injection.


158 posted on 05/31/2009 1:34:25 PM PDT by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: wmfights
"They already have. Mike Hendricks at the KC Star on the Prime Buzz blog has spilled a vitriol filled post calling all pro lifers accomplices."

Socialism is far more murderous yet media libs always defend it.


159 posted on 05/31/2009 1:34:53 PM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Crazieman

Let’s hope one of the pols, top cops or leaders didn’t find out he performed an abortion on their wife (who they didn’t know was cheating or was pregnant and didn’t tell them).

All things come to light... and God knows.


160 posted on 05/31/2009 1:35:49 PM PDT by AliVeritas (I wake up, the evil one cries.)
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To: Crazieman
It was hanging until the suspension of the death penalty, now its lethal injection.

Damn, they are getting soft up there in Kansas.

161 posted on 05/31/2009 1:35:55 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: wagglebee
Because vigilante justice IS NOT morally justified.

When no justice exists, only the rule of those in power, what is the correct response.

If I know a woman who is planning to abort her baby, it is my moral duty to try to stop her. However, if she persists, I do not have the moral right to follow her to the abortuary and kill her or the abortionist.

If the baby is a living human being, just not born yet, don't you have a greater moral responsibility to protect innocent life? The woman and abortionist are not innocent and they are making a choice to kill an innocent life.

162 posted on 05/31/2009 1:35:58 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: xzins

agree


163 posted on 05/31/2009 1:36:16 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: wagglebee

One more nail in the confiscation of guns from right-wing extremists.


164 posted on 05/31/2009 1:36:23 PM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: SeaHawkFan
"Looks to me like voluntary manslaughter is the appropriate charge.

I just don't think it's reasonable to believe that an attorney could successful prove his client "was in fear for his life", or that "other circumstances existed that justified deadly force", when that same client gunned down a presumably unarmed and certainly older man who was acting as an usher during Sunday morning worship services.

You can't shoot a man in cold blood for doing something that is legal, no matter how reprehensible that "something" is, in this case late term abortion. As a matter of criminal law, this shooter will probably receive a lengthy sentence provided that he's indeed guilty and his subsequently convicted.

165 posted on 05/31/2009 1:36:47 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: xzins
Yes, I, too, believe can can use anything for His purpose, but I do not think God is surprised by anything. He knows everything that ever will be. If He knows it ahead of time, then He has permitted it. For His own purposes, but I’m not going to come down on the side of a less than omniscient God.

I don't disagree with anything in this post. I would add that just because God knows everything in advance means he causes every event to happen.

166 posted on 05/31/2009 1:36:59 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: xzins

I justify nothing, I simply point out that babies were killed daily by the dead Tiller.


167 posted on 05/31/2009 1:37:28 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: SeaHawkFan

I guess I’m not a very good Christian because my first though was “it’s about time”. I know that is not the best reaction to have, but I am speaking as a woman who was given up for adoption in the Kansas City area. It is only by the beliefs of my mother that the man who was killed today did not murder me.


168 posted on 05/31/2009 1:37:29 PM PDT by chae (I am karmic retribution)
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To: csvset

Statement from Tiller’s family:

May 31, 2009

Dan Monnat and Lee Thompson, Dr. George Tiller’s attorneys, issued the following statement today at the request of Mrs. Jeanne Tiller, the Tiller’s four children and ten grandchildren:

“Today we mourn the loss of our husband, father and grandfather. Today’s event is an unspeakable tragedy for all of us and for George’s friends and patients. This is particularly heart wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace.

We would like to express the family’s thanks for the many messages of sympathy from our friends and from all across the nation. We also want to thank the law enforcement officers who are investigating this crime.

Our loss is also a loss for the City of Wichita and women across America. George dedicated his life to providing women with high-quality heath care despite frequent threats and violence. We ask that he be remembered as a good husband, father and grandfather and a dedicated servant on behalf of the rights of women everywhere.”

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/46578662.html


169 posted on 05/31/2009 1:38:24 PM PDT by Augie76
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To: tcrlaf

“NOT if we frame the debate the way the Democrat-Worshipping media would.

We simply describe Tiller’s death as:

“A VERY Late-Term Abortion in the 272nd Tri-mester.

YOU wouldn’t stand against ABORTION, would you, Ms. Gay Network Segment Producer? That would be VERY un-PC, you know!””

I love it!


170 posted on 05/31/2009 1:39:18 PM PDT by FutureRocketMan
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To: Crazieman

He should fry (not to put too fine a point on it.)


171 posted on 05/31/2009 1:39:26 PM PDT by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: wmfights; Admin Moderator

Your posts scare me, quite frankly. By your reasoning, because you don’t think there is justice for whomever is pro-life, they are justified to murder at will? You need serious help. Its nutjobs like you that give FR a bad name.


172 posted on 05/31/2009 1:41:58 PM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: narses; wagglebee; P-Marlowe; enat; blue-duncan; Alamo-Girl; wmfights; SeaHawkFan

If we agree with the murderer of Tiller, then we MUST logically also agree with the murder of a murderer’s accomplices.

Therefore, we have a chain of justification to include complicit judges and politicians.

More. In our voter system, we can justify the murder of accomplices who VOTE FOR the politicians who permit abortion to continue.

All are accomplices.

Are we now free to support the murder of Geraldine Treehugger, democratic voter, by anti-abortion vigilantes?


173 posted on 05/31/2009 1:42:41 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins

Christin was 19 years old when George Tiller killed her.

http://realchoice.0catch.com/library/deaths/bl05cgilbert.htm

174 posted on 05/31/2009 1:43:20 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Augie76
"George dedicated his life to providing women with high-quality heath care ..."

Killing unborn children is health care?

175 posted on 05/31/2009 1:43:30 PM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: trumandogz

Possible the shooter had been dianosed as terminal and did it as one of his last action. Nothing to loose.


176 posted on 05/31/2009 1:43:45 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Hey hey! Ho ho! Where's your Birth Certificate/ We've a right to know!)
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To: donna

I am at a loss here. I do NOT condemn the killing of “Dr.” Tillman. He deserved to die, as do the rest of abortion “doctors”. I also believe that those who commit crimes and are not justly dealt with by government (law enforcement) deserve justice provided by those willing to do justice.

I am not sure that a body-guard or escort deserves the same though.


177 posted on 05/31/2009 1:43:46 PM PDT by FutureRocketMan
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To: xzins

“If we agree with the murderer of Tiller, then we MUST logically also agree with the murder of a murderer’s accomplices.”

Why? Can and will they keep killing without his ‘license’?


178 posted on 05/31/2009 1:43:56 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: csvset
I should have typed, I wonder about the aborted babies. How are their remains handled?

This wireless keyboard plays havoc on my already suspect typing and spelling skills.

179 posted on 05/31/2009 1:44:12 PM PDT by csvset
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To: Cedric

I just can’t grieve for him. I do grieve for all the babies he’s killed.


180 posted on 05/31/2009 1:44:26 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: rintense

Why drag the Mod into this?


181 posted on 05/31/2009 1:44:49 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I'm pro-choice on vigilante justice.
182 posted on 05/31/2009 1:46:05 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: trumandogz
Because, it was not the shooter's responsibility to determine what is a morally justified killing.

Here is the problem.

Abortion has been imposed on us by the judiciary. If we had resolved this through the legislative process we may not have liked the end result, but we would have had input in the law. Also, we would have the opportunity to change the law if we could develop enough support for our position.

However, because the courts have decided to impose new law, with out the consent of the governed, and there is no recourse justice does not exist just the rule of the many by the few.

If that were the case, pro-lifers could freely murder not only abortion doctors, but also doctors who prescribe birth control pills.

Do you think this message might reach the "rulers" on the courts who imposed these vile practices on us? Maybe the most ardent in the pro-life movement have come to a place where they realize there is no justice.

183 posted on 05/31/2009 1:46:45 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Cedric
Because that's the kind of crap that ruins this site and leads to even more pounding by fools like O'Reilly.

Condoning murder is just stupid. I don't care what the 'cause' is.

184 posted on 05/31/2009 1:46:56 PM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: Ann Archy

That’s my guess but we don’t know and everyone is ASSuming that the killer is with the PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT!

You have a point, but what’s the difference when everyone is going to blame the pro-life community. I hope that the person that served justice to Tillman was someone whose female family member went to him to have an abortion.


185 posted on 05/31/2009 1:47:24 PM PDT by FutureRocketMan
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To: wmfights

To take up arms to defend the life of an unborn child is not murder, it is defense of a person who has no ability to protect itself.

It is defending the defense, thus providing self-defense for the child.

So by some here our founding fathers had no right to attck the British.

Sending troops to Iraq was not whta we should have done, as they did not attack us.

I think we have the right to defend life and liberty by whatever means required.


187 posted on 05/31/2009 1:48:03 PM PDT by stockpirate (The 2nd amendment protects all other rights as outlined in our constitution. Without it we fall.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
How many babies has Tiller killed?

I don't know the exact number, but it is in the thousands.

188 posted on 05/31/2009 1:48:23 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Mojave

If this killer is related to Christin, then I certainly sympathize with him, and with any family victim of any of his abortions.

Their murder of Tiller, I could see as a lesser form of homicide


189 posted on 05/31/2009 1:48:34 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: rintense

Fine, then fight your own battles.


190 posted on 05/31/2009 1:48:36 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: hoosiermama
Possible the shooter had been dianosed as terminal and did it as one of his last action. Nothing to loose.

Diagnosed as terminal, ala Jack Ruby? Let the conspiracy theories begin !

191 posted on 05/31/2009 1:50:01 PM PDT by csvset
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To: Cedric

Huh? Do you condone the kind of ‘justice’ being tossed around here? Yes or no.


192 posted on 05/31/2009 1:50:52 PM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: wmfights

I asked the question on another thread and someone responded 60,000. That does seem high but who knows. If that’s a ball park figure, then we need to find out how much he got paid per dead baby.


193 posted on 05/31/2009 1:51:31 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: clintonh8r
Watch out. The tut-tut’ers will be after you in a minute....saying those terrible things about the late Dr. Tiller.....

Screw 'em.
194 posted on 05/31/2009 1:51:39 PM PDT by mkjessup (Yeah, I'm praying for 0bama. Praying for God to light his ass up with a major lightning bolt.)
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To: Augie76

Ol George do a lot of pro bono work for those women? I have a feeling Ol George was motivated by profit.


195 posted on 05/31/2009 1:51:40 PM PDT by linn37 (cue the circus music the democrats are back in charge)
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To: hoosiermama
Possible the shooter had been dianosed as terminal and did it as one of his last action. Nothing to loose.

He may also have been psychotic or otherwise ill. We'll have to wait and see if he is an avenger or just one sick puppy.

196 posted on 05/31/2009 1:51:52 PM PDT by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: topher
The Kansas Turnpike in the 1960's used to have speed like of 80mph, I think. But that was too long ago to remember.

At one time, shortly after it opened, the speed limit on the Kansas Turnpike was "Reasonable & Proper". You could drive as fast as traffic and your ability to maintain control would let you.

That's how one could get from Wichita to K.C. in, say, two hours...back in the time.

197 posted on 05/31/2009 1:51:53 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: wmfights
Maybe the most ardent in the pro-life movement have come to a place where they realize there is no justice.

If you believe that to be true, you should follow through and murder an abortion doctor. However, I do not think you are strong enough in your belief to face the consequences.

198 posted on 05/31/2009 1:52:20 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Crazieman

Have we not thought of the possibility that a radical pro-choice politician or advocate payed this person to gun down Tillman to frame it as either a “obvious reason why we need stricter gun restrictions” or “tighter laws on demonstrations at” murder mills? Could this be the way FOCA comes to the floor of the Senate, or how the anti-gun legislation rears its ugly face?


199 posted on 05/31/2009 1:53:05 PM PDT by FutureRocketMan
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To: rintense
Do you freak-out and tattle to the Moderator all the time? Yes or yes.
200 posted on 05/31/2009 1:54:34 PM PDT by Cedric
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