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Fr. Pavone on Tiller Killing
Christian Newswire ^ | 5/31/09 | Father Frank Pavone

Posted on 05/31/2009 12:18:44 PM PDT by wagglebee

Contact: Margaret, Priests for Life, 908-432-7387
 
STATEN ISLAND, New York, May 31 /Christian Newswire/ -- Fr. Frank Pavone, National Director of Priests for Life, issued the following statement upon hearing this morning of the killing of abortionist George Tiller:
 
"I am saddened to hear of the killing of George Tiller this morning. At this point, we do not know the motives of this act, or who is behind it, whether an angry post-abortive man or woman, or a misguided activist, or an enemy within the abortion industry, or a political enemy frustrated with the way Tiller has escaped prosecution. We should not jump to conclusions or rush to judgment.
 
"But whatever the motives, we at Priests for Life continue to insist on a culture in which violence is never seen as the solution to any problem. Every life has to be protected, without regard to their age or views or actions."
 
Priests for Life is the nation's largest Catholic pro-life organization dedicated to ending abortion and euthanasia. For more information, visit www.priestsforlife.org.


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"But whatever the motives, we at Priests for Life continue to insist on a culture in which violence is never seen as the solution to any problem. Every life has to be protected, without regard to their age or views or actions."

Amen!

1 posted on 05/31/2009 12:18:44 PM PDT by wagglebee
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3 posted on 05/31/2009 12:19:41 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

4 posted on 05/31/2009 12:21:11 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: wagglebee

As much as I hate what Tiller did, as Christians we do not repay evil with evil, but evil with good. Two wrongs never make a right. What Tiller did was wrong (sinful), and what his murderer did was wrong (sinful). This sort of action helps no one.


5 posted on 05/31/2009 12:23:18 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: wagglebee

Amen!


6 posted on 05/31/2009 12:31:20 PM PDT by FES0844
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To: wagglebee
blah, blah, blah,...

F. Pavone is a cynical attention starved cleric who wants to exploit a tragedy so as to get his name in the headlines.

7 posted on 05/31/2009 12:31:58 PM PDT by OldCorps
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To: wagglebee

Excellent. This is the meme pro-lifers need to get out in front of the story with, as much as they can.


8 posted on 05/31/2009 12:33:55 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: wagglebee

Amen


9 posted on 05/31/2009 12:34:28 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: wagglebee

“At this point, we do not know the motives of this act, or who is behind it, whether an angry post-abortive man or woman, or a misguided activist, or an enemy within the abortion industry, or a political enemy frustrated with the way Tiller has escaped prosecution. We should not jump to conclusions or rush to judgment.”

Exactly. The murderer could have been a loan shark. A jealous husband. Someone with a copy of Obama’s real birth certificate.


10 posted on 05/31/2009 12:35:39 PM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: OldCorps; cgk; Coleus; narses; Salvation; 8mmMauser; cpforlife.org; NYer; Pyro7480; betty boop; ...
F. Pavone is a cynical attention starved cleric who wants to exploit a tragedy so as to get his name in the headlines.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Father Pavone has dedicated his entire life to the protection of innocent life. He is a recognized leader of the pro-life movement because of what he does, not because he desires attention.

All he has done here is condemn an act of violence for what it is.

11 posted on 05/31/2009 12:37:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: OldCorps

Highly cynical and from what I have heard and seen of Fr Pavone 100% wrong.

Mel


12 posted on 05/31/2009 12:40:30 PM PDT by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: Nosterrex

As this is an activist site, we do ourselves a HUGE disservice by even entertaining the thought that the gunman is a legitimate “pro-lifer”.

We need to stop this. The administration is to blame for this.

I find it convenient that this last week a report came out saying the Democrats are “waiting” for unfortunate events to use them to take down the 2nd Amendment.

I find it convenient that a pro-abortionist was killed while the pols show we’re becoming pro-life.

I find it convenient that a murder occured in front of a church, while home bible studies are being outlawed.

I find it convenient for Napolitano. This is the fault of the administration. As activists, it’s our duty to maintain activism in the most trying times.


13 posted on 05/31/2009 12:40:48 PM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: OldCorps
F. Pavone is a cynical attention starved cleric who wants to exploit a tragedy so as to get his name in the headlines.

Yeah, how cynical can you get advocating for the end to abortion..after all its a "constitutionally guaranteed" right.

Where do these buffoons come from? < /sarcasm>

14 posted on 05/31/2009 12:40:51 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Nosterrex
As much as I hate what Tiller did, as Christians we do not repay evil with evil, but evil with good.

There should be consequences for evil. Some evil simply needs to be destroyed. Tiller has now suffered the consequences of his evil. No where in the Bible does it say that evil should be repaid with good. If there is, I'd like you to point it out. There is a much better argument that God rejoices when evil is destroyed.

15 posted on 05/31/2009 12:42:39 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: wagglebee
We should not jump to conclusions or rush to judgment.

No, and reasonable people (the sort that don't abort their children) won't, and this needs to be said.

The problem is everyone else.

The media has had this scripted for at least a decade.

16 posted on 05/31/2009 12:47:15 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the machines are breaking.)
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To: kidd

LOL. No tears in my eyes for this murderer.


17 posted on 05/31/2009 12:47:16 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: prismsinc

‘As this is an activist site, we do ourselves a HUGE disservice by even entertaining the thought that the gunman is a legitimate “pro-lifer”.

We need to stop this. The administration is to blame for this.

I find it convenient that this last week a report came out saying the Democrats are “waiting” for unfortunate events to use them to take down the 2nd Amendment.

I find it convenient that a pro-abortionist was killed while the pols show we’re becoming pro-life.

I find it convenient that a murder occured in front of a church, while home bible studies are being outlawed.

I find it convenient for Napolitano. This is the fault of the administration. As activists, it’s our duty to maintain activism in the most trying times.’

Indeed. Call me a cynical conspiracy theorist but I wouldn’t put it past the pro-abortion left to have arranged Tiller’s murder themselves and then blame the incident on the right so they could then say “See how terrible pro-life conservatives are!!!!” on the media to con enough of the unlearned and undiscerning to supporting late-term abortions and gun control.


18 posted on 05/31/2009 12:47:22 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: prismsinc

You could be right. I don’t doubt they’re capable of anything.


19 posted on 05/31/2009 12:48:08 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: OldCorps
F. Pavone is a cynical attention starved cleric who wants to exploit a tragedy so as to get his name in the headlines.

This is among the most ridiculous things I've ever read on FR.

You should stick to what you know.

20 posted on 05/31/2009 12:48:44 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the machines are breaking.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Amen, SHF. I’m not shedding any tears over this guy.


21 posted on 05/31/2009 12:48:59 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: OldCorps

What a sickening and ham-handed attempt at character assassination.


22 posted on 05/31/2009 12:49:24 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: OldCorps

You obviously have no idea who Fr, Pavone is.


23 posted on 05/31/2009 12:50:28 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: wagglebee

This resolves NOTHING . . . the man needed the opportunity to repent and someone has stolen that from him.

Violence was not the answer in this specific situation.

Now what? Will those who defended him be treated the same?


24 posted on 05/31/2009 12:52:48 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann in 2012. With Liz Cheney as Secretary of State.)
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To: HighlyOpinionated

He had a lifetime to repent. Jesus warns in the Bible that on one knows the day or the hour that he will face judgment, so it’s really not smart to continue wading in mortal sin for years and years.

That doesn’t excuse shooting him. But it seems somewhat odd to say that someone has stolen his chance to repent. God gives everyone numerous chances to repent. If God wanted, He could have prevented this death. But He did not. We don’t know that Tiller didn’t repent in his last seconds of life, but he certainly had ample opportunity to do so earlier.

How many more babies did he plan to kill before repenting?


25 posted on 05/31/2009 1:04:04 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: HighlyOpinionated

"Every life has to be protected, without regard to their age or views or actions."

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

NO

26 posted on 05/31/2009 1:04:12 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: ReformationFan

Interesting thought and one that is HIGHLY probable, given the evil of the Left.


27 posted on 05/31/2009 1:10:32 PM PDT by Sister_T (The Obama Administration = EPIC FAIL!)
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To: Sister_T

And remember, the contemporary Left is the main proponent of the “ends justifies the means” worldview. Since in their minds they are “kinder and more wonderful” than us “evil right wingers”, any evil they commit is justified because in their hearts of hearts they ulimately just want to attain “utopia on earth.”

They need to be reminded of Jeremiah 17:9

“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”


28 posted on 05/31/2009 1:15:08 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: wagglebee

This is what I would expect of Father Pavone. He has been an excellent advocate for the rights of the unborn, and this statement reflects his heart. Thanks for posting it.


29 posted on 05/31/2009 1:19:32 PM PDT by holly go-rightly
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To: HighlyOpinionated
I was surprised to read on another thread that this was the second time Tiller had been shot by someone. If the first one didn't cause him to take a good hard look at his "career," then I don't know what would.
30 posted on 05/31/2009 1:20:33 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: SeaHawkFan
re: No where in the Bible does it say that evil should be repaid with good. If there is, I'd like you to point it out.

Luke 6:27, Jesus is teaching the disciples and talks about how one's enemies should be treated: “But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.”

Not an exact command to do good to evil, but what the poster had in mind.

31 posted on 05/31/2009 1:21:58 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: kidd
re: Exactly. The murderer could have been a loan shark. A jealous husband. Someone with a copy of Obama’s real birth certificate.)))

He shot him in a church. Sounds like a script for a Hollywood movie about a heroic abortionist.

32 posted on 05/31/2009 1:23:03 PM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: wagglebee

I said prayers for Tiller and all concerned, but the liberal media, sadly, will have a field day with this.


33 posted on 05/31/2009 1:31:52 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: OldCorps
"F. Pavone is a cynical attention starved cleric who wants to exploit a tragedy so as to get his name in the headlines."

You are just hopelessly stupid aren't you?

34 posted on 05/31/2009 1:36:25 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Increasingly mulling Newt....or maybe not.)
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To: ReformationFan

Yeah, I’m afraid so too! There are numerous examples in other places, and other times in the world, when various groups of people of strong faith targeted and punished for the actions of a few.

The authorities in these cases, looking for scapegoats to make an example of, will blame a group of people to get the blame off themselves and send a message. Examples: King of Egypt-enslaving Hebrews, Emperors of Rome-Christians blamed for fire, then condemned and persecuted, Henry the 8th- Roman Catholic clergy/others persecuted and killed, Hitler-Hollocaust of Jews and others, Tsars and other dictators banishing/killing, etc...


35 posted on 05/31/2009 1:45:01 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: OldCorps
What a TERRIBLE and uncharitable thing to say about someone. He has helped the pro-life movement immensely. Your post infuriates me!!
36 posted on 05/31/2009 1:51:01 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: Nosterrex

i disagree with you. this man got exactly what he deserved.


37 posted on 05/31/2009 1:56:22 PM PDT by remaxagnt (`)
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To: remaxagnt

i think today should be a holiday! this was one sick man. what kind of church lets this man in the doors? i know we dont want to shut anyone out of church but come on this guy was a cold blooded killer who deserved what he got! im rejoicing today! more children hopefully spared.


38 posted on 05/31/2009 1:58:42 PM PDT by remaxagnt (`)
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To: wagglebee

News conference coming up shortly on FOX.


39 posted on 05/31/2009 2:00:20 PM PDT by freespirited (Is this a nation of laws or a nation of Democrats? -- Charles Krauthammer)
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To: wagglebee
"But whatever the motives, we at Priests for Life continue to insist on a culture in which violence is never seen as the solution to any problem. Every life has to be protected, without regard to their age or views or actions."

Amen.

40 posted on 05/31/2009 2:00:40 PM PDT by chs68
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To: remaxagnt
"i disagree with you. this man got exactly what he deserved."

You know, I think that only the lives of people who are tried for serious crimes, and found guilty by a jury of their peers, and then given ample opportunity to appeal their verdicts, should be executed. That was the case with Ted Bundy and John Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer.

They all were executed -- but only after being tried, convicted, sentenced, and THEN only after they were allowed to appeal both the verdict and the sentence.

Teller was murdered.

While I consider many of Teller's abortions to have been murder, it seems to me somewhat odd to suggest that since Teller committed murder, he "deserved" to be murdered as well.

Teller likely justified his late-term abortions by saying that the babies whose lives he took were somehow less than human, and did not deserve life.

But, in my book, no one -- unborn babies and men like Teller -- deserves to have his or her life taken away by the action of one person.

41 posted on 05/31/2009 2:09:49 PM PDT by chs68
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To: SeaHawkFan

Romans 12:17-21
7 Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men.
18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.
20 Therefore “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.”
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

I Thessalonians 5:15
15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all.


42 posted on 05/31/2009 2:43:29 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: chs68

Would that Pres’ent Obama echo the words of Fr. Pavone in an honest attempt at dialogue with those with whom he disagrees.


43 posted on 05/31/2009 2:48:05 PM PDT by MantillaMilitant
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To: kidd

“Someone with a copy of Obama’s real birth certificate.”

If that’s the case, he BETTER request protective custody in jail/s;)


44 posted on 05/31/2009 2:51:48 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: wagglebee

Yes, yes, of course it was a dastardly deed. Yes, the Pro-life cause will suffer because of it. BUT, BUT, BUT in the Holy Name of Our Loving Father, how many more beautiful, viable young children have to die while we wring our hands and make nicey with Evil Incarnate. God forgive us all for our cowardly inaction on behalf of the unborn. How terrible it was for partisans to murder that brave, dedicated, sensitive Reinhard Hyedrich in Prague in WW2. How dare those terrorists attack him on his way to work.
For that matter, it is a good thing that the Western Allies didn’t heed the pleas of people inside and outside of Germany during the early 1940’s to bomb multiple, specific points in Poland to disrupt rail transit to “relocation centers” such as: Auschwitz, Chelmno, Sobibor, Belzec, Treblinka, Maidanek. Why, innocent civilians could’ve been killed, not to mention the point that who are we to judge what other’s do with their undesirables? Some day, we’ll look back and wonder why a rich and prosperous civilization allowed the wanton slaughter of MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of the pre-born for expedience and the enrichment of those guilty of crimes aganist humanity. As I’ve written before, Ive seen up close and personal the utter and totally debased way in which these people and their minions view life.
How marvelous it would be for there to be an end to all bloodshed and violence. Most of us realize that will not happen until He returns. In the meantime, we must recall the famous admonition “All that is necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing.”
Sadly, this single act will probably not do anything to end or even curb sanctioned infanticide.If all the alleged Pro-lifers (me included-we all know how cheap and painless talk is)took a more active and, yes, sometimes civilly disobedient course we could end this abomination once and for all. That however, would require sacrifing alot more than most of us are willing to lose and then it
seems there really aren’t that many of us who actually see through the fog and realize just what abortion represents in this post-Christian civilization of ours.
Again, God have mercy on us all. I certainly don’t know the eternal destination of Tiller nly Our Father does. Maybe in that blink of an eye between life and death a soul has a chance to repent and be saved. Who knows, maybe Hitler and Himmler, Stalin and Mao had the opportunity to repent and be saved. I certainly don’t look forward to facing judgement, but I do know that no amount of money or torture could ever make me perpetrate the heinous evil this man and all those like hime and their facillitators have. Should they be murdered for their monstrous acts? Maybe only God has that right, but then maybe bystanders with lawful,concealed-carry guns shouldn’t intervene to try to stop mass killngs at public gatherings if their life isn’t threatened. Who says they should be “judge, jury, and executioner”. Apparently most people just don’t see those
vastly post-viable, healthy, late-term babies as worthy of protection such as a week old baby would be afforded if caught in a shooting spree at the grocery store with their parents.


45 posted on 05/31/2009 2:52:09 PM PDT by karbine
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To: ReformationFan

No less can be, nor should be, expected of the radical left.


46 posted on 05/31/2009 2:57:01 PM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: SeaHawkFan

See Romans 12:17 & 21. The premise of not returning evil for evil but rather return good for evil is apparent in the two verses.


47 posted on 05/31/2009 3:07:10 PM PDT by rightwingjew
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To: wagglebee

Amen indeed.


48 posted on 05/31/2009 3:08:07 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Artemis Webb
You are just hopelessly stupid aren't you?

********************

"Hopeless" may be too strong a word. We should always have hope. :)

49 posted on 05/31/2009 3:10:48 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

While I shed no tears for a man who has taken the life from many others, I also know that to resort to killing this pathetic murderer is not the way to resolve the issue.

For every Tiller there is, there will be another to take his place.


50 posted on 05/31/2009 3:13:22 PM PDT by dforest
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