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Opinion: The sword belongs in its sheath. Killing of George Tiller a ‘Malchus Moment’
Catholic Online ^ | 6/1/09 | Deacon Keith Fournier

Posted on 06/01/2009 6:00:53 AM PDT by tcg

All who know the objective truth about the dignity and value of every human life, from conception to natural death and at every moment in between, should decry this horrible act of violence. It must be unqualifiedly rejected and condemned within the Pro-Life community because of our unwavering conviction that every life, at every age and stage, has dignity and must be respected, protected and honored. This bedrock conviction should inform a “whole life/pro-life” ethic in those who gather under the banner of being Pro-Life.

A moral analysis tells us that the killing of a defenseless George Tiller is similar to the killing of every defenseless child in the womb who dies due to procured abortion. Both acts of killing are evil. Both must be completely rejected. Both should be decried by every person who is Pro-life.

We reject intentional abortion because every procured abortion is the killing of a member of our human family. The dignity of that little human person in the first home of the whole human race cries out for changing the unjust approach to giving protected status to intentional abortion in America. However, this dignity is present in all human persons, even those with whom we disagree and those whose actions we decry.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; choice; georgetiller; prolife; tiller
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To: soccermom
Exactly. I don’t defend or justify vigilantism. But let’s be clear. This particular abortionist was not operating within the law. The law clearly prohibits late term abortions, except to save the life of the mother. Tiller clearly skirted that law with the help of Gov. Sebelius, who refused to demand that he provide records to account for the reasons for his late term abortions.
Tiller was sued and judged by his peers for his actions. You can say he found a loophole, fine. But that doesn't justify an extra-judicial killing.
41 posted on 06/01/2009 6:26:14 AM PDT by ketsu (ItÂ’s not a campaign. ItÂ’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: TomOnTheRun

ding ding ding.


42 posted on 06/01/2009 6:27:13 AM PDT by ketsu (ItÂ’s not a campaign. ItÂ’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: MrB
" but no, they can’t even allow dissent, and dissenters must be destroyed in order to satisfy the left’s desire for total dominance of the human will."

unless .............

43 posted on 06/01/2009 6:28:20 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: TomOnTheRun

Perhaps this man DID decide to take justice in his own hands, as it had been thwarted in all other venues, and accepted the consequences for doing so, but did so with a clear conscience...

we don’t have any statements yet.


44 posted on 06/01/2009 6:28:34 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: ketsu
I'm going to need more than a few drinks to think this out: logically, if one is to claim that the murder of this doctor is justified because of a higher law, then why should one expect the murderer to be "absolved" (too early to think of a more accurate word) by the law?

One should claim the protection of the higher law, yes?

45 posted on 06/01/2009 6:29:29 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ketsu

I think you’re missing the point. We’re not saying Tiller was doing something pro-lifers consider to be murder, even if it is legal. We’re saying what Tiller did WAS illegal. The Partial Birth Abortion ban prohibits late term abortions, except to save the life of the mother. Tiller was in violation of that law. Now, I’m not saying Tiller’s murderer had a right to be a vigilante. But it is important to note the distinction between what Tiller was doing — in skirting the law against late term abortions — and what other abortionists are doing, clearly within the letter of the law.


46 posted on 06/01/2009 6:29:45 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: ketsu
"But that doesn't justify an extra-judicial killing."..

..

But would not HILLARY say:--- If it saves just one child?

/sarc

47 posted on 06/01/2009 6:30:27 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: MrB

Agreed.


48 posted on 06/01/2009 6:30:37 AM PDT by Leg Olam (TOP SECRET! Os plan, 1 invade Poland 2 annex Sudetenland...)
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To: MrB
Perhaps this man DID decide to take justice in his own hands, as it had been thwarted in all other venues, and accepted the consequences for doing so, but did so with a clear conscience...

we don’t have any statements yet.

Wait until liberals start shooting CEOs and talk show hosts. You *really* don't want to go there.
49 posted on 06/01/2009 6:31:36 AM PDT by ketsu (ItÂ’s not a campaign. ItÂ’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: ketsu

I agree. I don’t believe in vigilantism. But I do think it is important to note the distinction between someone who is clearly skirting the law and getting away with it — as Tiller was — and other abortionists who, although we condemn their behavior, are well within the law.


50 posted on 06/01/2009 6:32:42 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: tcg

My big regret is that it is going to be harmful to the cause because of the way the press is playing it, and that now the killer - who sounds like a rather disturbed individual anyway - has a murder on his soul.

Tiller was an evil man who lived by murder, lived by blood, lived by violence. As you sow, so shall you reap. Somebody had tried to kill him once before, which certainly should have been a wake-up call, but he obviously just became even more hardened in his evil ways and in fact was trying to get his acts legalized more broadly and encourage others to follow him.

His final judgment is up to God; but by any objective standard, his life on earth was evil and it is not surprising that it was ended this way.


51 posted on 06/01/2009 6:34:41 AM PDT by livius
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To: ketsu

Someone like, say, Obama’s favorite “professor of English, who lives in my neighborhood”?


52 posted on 06/01/2009 6:34:43 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: 1rudeboy
I'm with you on the prelude to thinking this through logically ... except, by the time I get to that point .... I'm nowhere near being logical .... or capable of thought, for THAT matter.

Good luck to us all.

53 posted on 06/01/2009 6:34:44 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: ketsu

Ding. Ding. Ding.

Legal means have not been exhausted. If he found a loophole then we the people legislate to close the loophole and try again.


54 posted on 06/01/2009 6:35:41 AM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: tcg

I am with Randall Terry on this one. I am saddened only in the fact that this “doctor” did not repent and denounce the barbaric act of late term abortions before his death.


55 posted on 06/01/2009 6:38:34 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: MrB
Someone like, say, Obama’s favorite “professor of English, who lives in my neighborhood”?
Exactly.
56 posted on 06/01/2009 6:38:34 AM PDT by ketsu (ItÂ’s not a campaign. ItÂ’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: tcg; All
While I respect the official catholic position, I believe their use of the “Malchus incident” is erroneous for this case.

In the referenced incident, the lesson is: “Do not try to stop what the Lord wills/ don't mistake your will for the Lord's/and similar; it is NOT a lesson that violence is never justified. Christ NEVER taught that!

This case is more appropriately viewed as an intercession on the behalf of the defenseless against he who would murder them. Although the choice of venue was heinous; the taking of a life to save another’s life is allowed under THE LAW.

57 posted on 06/01/2009 6:39:18 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: TomOnTheRun
" Legal means have not been exhausted. If he found a loophole then we the people legislate to close the loophole and try again."

I believe America has come to a breaking point because of the frustration created by the time needed to develope strategy, find a man, propose, fight and acomplish a task ... only to have the proposal watered down or neutered.

No ... the call to another American revolution is being sounded from many fronts ...... I personally feel zero wants it to happen.

In fact I think he is doing his best to make armed conflict occur in America ..... our task is knowing the enemy and having good gun control.

58 posted on 06/01/2009 6:40:47 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Westbrook

I completely disagree. Tiller’s murder will spotlight the fact that he put to death unborn babies who were viable. The public overwhelmingly is repulsed by such an act.


59 posted on 06/01/2009 6:41:15 AM PDT by ShandaLear (I LOVE RUSH!)
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To: TomOnTheRun

As I understand it, the legislature did its job. It was the Pontious Pilate Governor Sebelius who blocked them -— after all Tiller was one of her big donors. Legal avenues are one thing, but how do you fight blatant corruption?


60 posted on 06/01/2009 6:41:45 AM PDT by soccermom
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