Posted on 06/01/2009 9:56:17 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
You Can Trust a Scientist – Can’t You?
May 31, 2009 — After the flap over the “missing link” Ida last week (05/19/2009), paleontologist Christopher Beard warned about how such stunts damage scientific credibility. “The only thing we have going for us that Hollywood and politicians don’t is objectivity,” he told Science magazine.[1] Can the public trust the objectivity of scientists as a class? Do they get more credibility points than other groups of professionals? Do the processes of scientific publication warrant a higher level of trust?
A study reported on Science Daily may shake that trust...
(Excerpt) Read more at creationsafaris.com ...
Science is what I do.
I am a fallible human being who practices science.
I am not my job. Thus I can easily distinguish between the two.
This lameness is the equivalent of saying that all U.S. currency in your possession should be thrown out, none should be accepted as legal tender, and all U.S. currency is naturally suspect; as in the past people have successfully counterfeited U.S. currency.
The strength of U.S. currency is despite attempts to counterfeit.
The strength of the scientific method is despite attempts at fraud.
Both U.S. currency and the scientific method are highly valued commodities because of their REAL WORLD VALUE.
Meanwhile Creationism has no application or utility other than in selling books to the deliberately ignorant.
Did the article say that science shouldn’t be accepted, or that people need to know that scientists are just as fallible as the rest of us?
It is a juvenile attempt to throw mud at those who Creationists hate and despise; actual scientists who practice actual science.
Creationism as a movement formed in opposition to a scientific theory. They have moved on to oppose more and more scientific theories as the movement has “progressed” and science has continued to formulate theories that Creationists object to.
Thus it is quite natural that Creationist publications would attempt to discredit science, scientists and the scientific method; in favor of slavish devotion to a particular Biblical interpretation.
It’s the ultimate in ad-hominen attacks.
To the point where if I don’t see it with my own lying eyes I just don’t believe it.
And I’m skeptical of what my eyes see.
Funny you should mention the drunk supervisor. I was in a similar situation on my last job (actually a part-time post-retirement gig). The supervisor would frequently disappear in the afternoon to another part-timer’s house for “conferences”. They are both drunks. I’d rather not speculate about what went on, but it was definitely not work in the usual sense of the word. He also urged me to charge hours that I didn’t actually work, which was strange, but it probably made him feel better about doing the same thing himself.
More of the same. Nothing to see here.
We’re not anti-science.
We’re anti fraud in science.
That's quite a charge there, that creationists hate and despise *actual* scientists and *real* science.
Care to support it? What evidence can you put for to support your claims of *hate* and *despise*?
ARGH!!! Will you quit posting actual facts to back up what you say!!!!! Now we’ll have to create a strawman to get us off topic so we have something to knock down.
/evo dude
As time has gone by, Creationists have also opposed other scientific theories that they objected to, which include but are in no way limited to......
Heliocentricism
Plate Tech-tonics
Atomic half life decay
The speed of light
Geology
Paleontology
Archeology
etc, etc, etc.
Creationists MO, as evidenced by what gets posted on FR is to not do any actual scientific research themselves (Heaven Forfend!), but to snipe at real scientists doing real science and explain how it all supposedly supports the recent simultaneous creation of all species in their present form.
Funny, many of those you condemn as *Creationists* are scientists compared to the number of evos who do this as a hobby.
It’s deceptive to hold up the pretense that every evo is a scientist and knows what science is all about and every creationist, isn’t and couldn’t do *real* science to save their lives.
The ToE is nothing more that a litmus test for the evo crowd to use in determining who to discredit and who not to.
While correct in what you say, you have to give credit to GGG for posting these topics to allow for the free exchange of ideas. Blithe sniping and flaming are never a good thing from either side - I’ve been on the receiving end (even had my professional ethics questioned - funny). As triple-G will likely agree, I am the first to criticize bad science on either side. Unfortunately, most ID and CS articles are criticism and not science so they leave little room for any constructive dissection.
==It is a juvenile attempt to throw mud at those who Creationists hate and despise; actual scientists who practice actual science.
TQC, you are an actual, working scientist who believes the origin of species is best explained by biblical creation. According to Allmendream, you feel this way because you secretly have a juvenile hatred for scientists who practice actual science. I was hoping you could explain to us how this hatred began, how it consumed you, and how it led you to use creation science as a means to express your hatred of all things scientific.
PS Do you hate yourself when you practice science at work? Just curious....
Exactly my point. The I.D. (incompetent design) and Creationists position on science is not to actually go out and PERFORM scientific discovery; but to criticize the work that actual scientists do.
Creationists oppose all those scientific findings just as much.
Nothing is stopping the Discovery Institute or these Creationists Institutions from actually doing science. Yet for over one hundred years there has been no scientific progress from either of these movements, no scientific discoveries, no scientific experiments.
Nobody is keeping Creationists or “cdesign proponentists” from doing science.
They seem to have willingly relegated themselves to the heckling from the sidelines already.
Maybe he’s schizo, like the rest of us who have degrees in science and love it?
We lay awake at night, each side hating the other.
/roll eyes...
Scientists say all that? I am a scientist and I don't claim any of that. And yet you think of yourself as a scientist?
I think you are confused.
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