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Obama Calls Tiller Killing a Heinous Act of Violence but Ignores Heinous Violence of Abortion
LifeSiteNews ^ | 6/1/09 | Judie Brown

Posted on 06/01/2009 1:06:11 PM PDT by wagglebee

Upon learning of the tragic murder of abortionist George Tiller, about whom I have written on numerous occasions, our staff realized that I was 34,000 feet in the air. As I would have hoped, American Life League’s Executive Director, Shaun Kenney, who was on the ground, issued the following public statement on behalf of American Life League:

Leaders within the pro-life movement often discuss justice in connection with our mission to end the tragedy of abortion. Today, Dr. George Tiller's life ended in an act defying those principles.

With genuine sorrow, we reflect on today's events in prayer. Justice for all human beings includes the lives of those with whom we fundamentally disagree as well as the victims of abortion. We firmly hope the perpetrators of this act are apprehended, that the facts be made known, and that justice according to the law is preserved and dispensed.

Today's actions were tragic, and serve as another reminder that all human life is sacred. Pro-lifers by our nature and commitment to human rights reject violence as a means of resistance. Our thoughts and prayers indeed extend to the Tiller family and the community at Reformation Lutheran Church.

It is with unrestrained dedication to the principle that each human being is loved by God and is indeed His creation that our hearts go out to the Tiller family, including his surviving wife who is the mother of his four children. A senseless act of violence should never be answered with any words other than those extended with the love of Christ. For those reasons, I am personally proud of our executive director, and pray that others who have said less prudent things will take note of what it truly means to be pro-life in America.

It is not so with all of those who have made various statements regarding this senseless loss of life. Many have lost sight of the ravages that have been wrought by the culture of death and the strangle hold it has placed on our national psyche.

For example, when I listened to the words of President Barack Obama, my heart was struck with the tragic disconnect too many Americans have accepted when it comes to such tragedies in our culture. Apparently, they honestly see a difference between killing before, versus killing after, birth. The president said:

I am shocked and outraged by the murder of Dr. George Tiller as he attended church services this morning. However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence.

The president’s sentiments as expressed in this statement represent a serious disassociation between the tragic death of one man in Kansas and the equally tragic deaths of thousands of preborn children that occur on a daily basis throughout this nation. Every act of senseless killing is an outrage and should cause shock in the heart of every one of us. But this is not what I gleaned from the president’s words.

It is, in fact, so very sad that the president can treat of one type of heinous crime as an “issue” while describing an equally wicked crime in the proper terms. Such contradictory language is typical of the attitude of far too many in our nation who, after more than 36 years of decriminalized killing, have come to view the born as a completely different class of people than the preborn. Too many in America have become desensitized to what abortion does to not-yet born human beings. But at the same time, they are saddened, as they should be, by what equally horrific acts do to born persons.

Perhaps this is the perfect occasion for each of us to reexamine the culture in which we live: the attitudes we have adopted, and the opinions we have formed. Such an exercise would help us sort out this dichotomy in our language, our attitudes and our behavior.

When Pope John Paul II wrote of violence against the human person in his profound encyclical, Evangelium Vitae, he encapsulated many of the most fundamental principles that pertain to the life of every human being at every stage of his or her life:

Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves 'the creative action of God', and it remains forever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can, in any circumstance, claim for himself the right to destroy directly an innocent human being….God proclaims that He is absolute Lord of the life of man, who is formed in His image and likeness (cf. Gen 1:26-28). Human life is thus given a sacred and inviolable character, which reflects the inviolability of the Creator Himself.

The truth is that every human being’s life is sacred; every human being’s life is a gift from God; every human being belongs to God, Who is the reason that each person exists.

It is our prayer that men and women of good will can take time to reflect with honesty on the sad events that occurred Sunday in Wichita, and realize that there is not a single human being’s life that is ever disposable, whether born or preborn. Judgments in matters of life and death belong to God alone.

Today we invite our fellow Americans to come together in prayer for the Tiller family, in mourning for senseless acts of violence that occur not only through abominable acts of abortion, but through hateful words, detestable acts against the unsuspecting and dreadful acts of dehumanization against our fellow human beings.

May the peace of Christ be with the Tiller family during this time of extreme sorrow.


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The president’s sentiments as expressed in this statement represent a serious disassociation between the tragic death of one man in Kansas and the equally tragic deaths of thousands of preborn children that occur on a daily basis throughout this nation.

Perfect!

1 posted on 06/01/2009 1:06:11 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 06/01/2009 1:06:58 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Yeah, Obama be steppin in it on this one.


3 posted on 06/01/2009 1:07:14 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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4 posted on 06/01/2009 1:07:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

doesn’t seem too upset about the Army recruiting sergeant slaughtered in Little Rock and the officer critically injured.


5 posted on 06/01/2009 1:08:54 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: wagglebee

No different from all the black on black killing everyday in Chicago, Philadelphia ...


6 posted on 06/01/2009 1:10:13 PM PDT by Tarpon (You abolish your responsibilities, you surrender your rights.)
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To: wagglebee

60% plus of abortions are either coerced or abuse by Parents or Boyfriend and or spouse...


7 posted on 06/01/2009 1:10:29 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (....Nothing is more powerful than a man who prays...(St. John Chrysostom))
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To: GourmetDan

Tiller drew the line at Third Trimester Abortions.


8 posted on 06/01/2009 1:10:48 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: philly-d-kidder

The number is probably MUCH higher for late term abortions,

because the mother would be able to hide the pregnancy up until the last part of her term,

then the boyfriend, abuser, or family would coerce her into the abortion.

I’ve heard many an anecdotal story to this effect.


9 posted on 06/01/2009 1:12:43 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: wagglebee
I didn't expect anything less from the abortionist in chief.
10 posted on 06/01/2009 1:13:06 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (29 shopping days to Graybeard58's 64th. b/day. Selah.)
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To: massgopguy
"Tiller drew the line at Third Trimester Abortions."

Yeah, 26 weeks and older.

11 posted on 06/01/2009 1:13:13 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

As the CINC he has more invested in the shooting of the recruiters but as a Left Wing Looney Politician he has more invested in his radical anti-military base.

I guess this shows he is a Politician before he is a Leader. Wonder if the MSM will pick up on that?


12 posted on 06/01/2009 1:13:14 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Hey Obama how many Freedoms have you taken away from Americans today?)
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To: GourmetDan

Isn’t it “above his paygrade” to comment on such things?


13 posted on 06/01/2009 1:13:34 PM PDT by PoliticalDookie
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To: wagglebee

“but Ignores Heinous Violence of Abortion”

i’m reluctant to point any fingers.

Scott Roeder has likely single handedly turned around the creeping “pro-life” / anti-abortion drift in american culture.

George Tiller and Scott Roeder will, at some point, both be facing the same judge.


14 posted on 06/01/2009 1:13:53 PM PDT by kpp_kpp
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To: wagglebee
Obama Mourns Fellow Baby Butcher

In other news, dog bites mailman, Pope stays Catholic.

15 posted on 06/01/2009 1:17:29 PM PDT by gorilla_warrior (Log Cabin Metrosexual Hairless RINOs for Bipartisan-ness)
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To: kpp_kpp

********George Tiller and Scott Roeder will, at some point, both be facing the same judge*********

And will probably receive the same sentence.


16 posted on 06/01/2009 1:20:17 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: wagglebee

Excellent post! UhBamUh would only care if pre-borns could vote.


17 posted on 06/01/2009 1:22:32 PM PDT by FlashBack ('0'bama: "Katrina on a Global Level")
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To: Tarpon

Over 13 million black babies have been aborted since Roe v. Wade. Unfortunately, many of my black brothers and sisters did not take into account this continuous genocide sanctioned by Obama when they voted for him. He is outraged by this heinous act, but doesn’t care about the heinous acts of murder that are taking place everyday behind the closed doors of these clinics. THAT is what outrages me.


18 posted on 06/01/2009 1:27:34 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, BLACK, Beautiful, Conservative!!!)
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To: wagglebee

Thats because he and many like him do not have any skin in this game...

I am not surprised by his statement...


19 posted on 06/01/2009 1:32:09 PM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: wagglebee
The president’s sentiments as expressed in this statement represent a serious disassociation between the tragic death of one man in Kansas and the equally tragic deaths of thousands of preborn children that occur on a daily basis throughout this nation. Every act of senseless killing is an outrage and should cause shock in the heart of every one of us. But this is not what I gleaned from the president’s words.

TRUTH BUMP!!! Excellent article.
20 posted on 06/01/2009 1:32:14 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: wagglebee

And how many people has Tiller murdered?


21 posted on 06/01/2009 1:32:25 PM PDT by SandWMan (Even if you can't legislate morality, you can legislate morally.)
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To: GourmetDan

Babies are of no use to the empty suit, they do not give money, they do no vote and for sure they don’t pay taxes for him to give to his supporters.

Therefore they are useless to him, as a matter less than useful, nothing.


22 posted on 06/01/2009 1:40:18 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: massgopguy
Tiller drew the line at Third Trimester Abortions.

No, he didn't. He was doing hundreds of third-term abortions each year.

23 posted on 06/01/2009 1:47:08 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: MuttTheHoople

People can’t be upset about things they haven’t heard about. While the death of the sergeant and the wounding of the officer is indeed a tragedy, they weren’t national figures, so the attack wasn’t national news.


24 posted on 06/01/2009 1:49:23 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Ol' Sparky

I’m alluding to Barack going beyond.


25 posted on 06/01/2009 1:49:55 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: chiefqc
"Babies are of no use to the empty suit, they do not give money, they do no vote and for sure they don’t pay taxes for him to give to his supporters. Therefore they are useless to him, as a matter less than useful, nothing."

I looking forward to the day that his girls get old enough to realize that they were a 'burden' to him.

Thanks dad...

26 posted on 06/01/2009 1:50:58 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: massgopguy

I’m betting Tiller had a few “oopsies” that he had hauled off as quickly as possible.

Imagine the mental anguish from a woman who has been coerced into the late term abortion anyway, to hear the cries of her “induced” baby before they cart it away to die of exposure and neglect.


27 posted on 06/01/2009 1:51:43 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: wagglebee

Obama is against murder, but serial killing.... not so much.


28 posted on 06/01/2009 1:54:21 PM PDT by Gator113 (Weak-coward-racist-white hating-lying-traitor= Surrender Monkey in Chief-B. Hussein Obama...)
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To: wagglebee

Lawless actions do nothing to elevate the pro-life movement. In fact, it does more harm. The perpetrator’s actions, however noble, can not nor should be excused. That he committed this act in church is even more henious. It is an act against God. The commandment states, “Thou shalt not murder.”

Now, before everyone starts to pile on, let me be clear. I do not support abortion. I’m on your side. But truth is truth. So spare yourselves the time of telling me how bad you think I am for disagreeing.


29 posted on 06/01/2009 2:01:50 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: wagglebee

Judgments in matters of life and death belong to God alone.

Not according to Genesis 9:6 NASB “Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man.”

AND

Romans 13:3,4 NASB “For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.

God gives to mankind the responsibility to judge murderers and administer capital punishment. He reserves the right to determine the murderer’s eternal destination AFTER His will has (or has not) been done, through capital punishment, by imperfect human justice.


30 posted on 06/01/2009 2:02:06 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: oneamericanvoice

You posted:

“That he committed this act in church is even more henious.”

Why?

Exodus 21:12-14 states “He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death. But if he did not lie in wait for him, but God let him fall into his hand, then I will appoint you a place to which he may flee. If, however, a man acts presumptuously toward his neighbor, so as to kill him craftily, you are to take him even from My altar, that he may die.”


31 posted on 06/01/2009 2:07:58 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: srweaver

God was talking to a specific group of people about a specific instance. You can find justification for anything in the Bible, but it doesn’t mean it was what God intended. Should we murder whomever we please?

God said that vengence was his, did he not?


32 posted on 06/01/2009 2:18:05 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: wagglebee
And the recruiter that got killed by a drive by shooting is what?

crickets??????

33 posted on 06/01/2009 2:50:36 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (TOTUS = PONZI)
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To: oneamericanvoice

There is a difference between justice and vengeance, wouldn’t you agree? Or do you define EVERY “killing” as “murder?”

I was addressing your assertion that it was particularly heinous for the killer to shoot Tiller in (or near) church. Why is that “worse” than anywhere else?

Do you think mankind has any responsibility to execute capital punishment in accordance with God’s word, taken in its complete context? How do you interpret Genesis 9:6 and Romans 13:3-4?

BTW. God was not talking to a specific group of people about a specific instance. He was talking to His people about how to administer justice, and differentiating between an accidentally caused death and a deliberate murder.


34 posted on 06/01/2009 3:04:43 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: brwnsuga

I hear ya, but it not going to stop until those involved stop it.


35 posted on 06/01/2009 3:14:15 PM PDT by Tarpon (You abolish your responsibilities, you surrender your rights.)
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To: Tarpon

Wouldn’t it have been great if Nazi Germany had “stopped” their own death camps? Maybe if they had been allowed enough time and latitude, they would have solved all their “own” problems. After all, their courts gave them legal sanction to do everything they did.


36 posted on 06/01/2009 3:26:08 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: Tarpon

The American holocaust dwarfs the German holocaust, but Americans seem to suffer far less anguish or angst over our sanctioned murders than the Germans did/do over theirs.


37 posted on 06/01/2009 3:30:14 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: srweaver
The issue with fire bombing Dresden drops right in the middle of this. I understand ZERO is going to apologize for the 18-20,000 civilians who may have died during the raids.

By the time Dresden was firebombed, the allies were well aware of what was going on in the NAZI concentration camps. That weighed heavily on trying to force a quick end to the war, to save as many as possible the oven fried feeling. Churchill pushed it hard, for FDR to go along, and finally succeeded.

So when ZERO apologizes, ask if he would have rather had another 100,000 innocents cooked to death.

ZERO isn't historically accurate about near everything he says from the start.

38 posted on 06/01/2009 3:58:09 PM PDT by Tarpon (You abolish your responsibilities, you surrender your rights.)
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To: Tarpon

You posted: “ZERO isn’t historically accurate about near everything he says from the start.”

Agreed, and I don’t think he is merely ignorant, but deliberately deceptive.

What saddens me is not Tiller’s death, but the apparent inability for many (if not most) of us to distinguish between the innocent and the guilty.

True justice punishes the guilty (Tiller) and protects the innocent (his thousands of victims). Our society’s definition of “justice” protects the murderer (Tiller) and ignores the slaughtered innocents.

Again, this is what saddens me, particularly when those who call themselves believers, or Christians, ignore the clear teachings of Scripture about “justice,” and pollute our thinking with miguided notions of non-violence which actually increase the shedding of innocent blood in our midst.


39 posted on 06/01/2009 4:21:45 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: All
Pinged from Terri Dailies


40 posted on 06/01/2009 4:50:08 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: GourmetDan
Yeah, 26 weeks and older.

My son was born prematurely at 31 weeks and spent 40 days in the hospital.

Abortion is so sick and those who support it, even sicker.

41 posted on 06/01/2009 7:14:44 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: oneamericanvoice
“Thou shalt not murder.”

So what do you do when a person commits murder over and over and is protected by corrupt politicians? What does your God command you to do?

42 posted on 06/02/2009 1:54:05 AM PDT by metalurgist (Want America back? It'll take guns and rope. We're too far gone.)
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To: metalurgist
It would be reaaly nice if folks on this site would read the original message of the poster. It would have been helpful to you since you would have found out that I am pro-life. I detest what abortionists do. I do NOT weep for Tiller. My God is the same as yours. And "murder" is murder. Hope this is clear enough for you. But if not, then please hold all snarky comments. I am not in the mood. Thanks.
43 posted on 06/02/2009 12:36:03 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: srweaver
As I told another person, it would have been helpful if you read my original post. There is a difference between justice and vengeance, wouldn’t you agree? Yes. Or do you define EVERY “killing” as “murder?” No It is my belief that acts of violence in a church are wrong. Please refer to the earlier post. With regard to capital punishment. I believe in capital punishment. But not vigilantism. What do you think should happen to Tiller's murderer?
44 posted on 06/02/2009 1:11:11 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: oneamericanvoice

You wrote: “As I told another person, it would have been helpful if you read my original post.”

I read your all your posts on this thread.

You wrote: “It is my belief that acts of violence in a church are wrong.”

Why any more wrong there than anywhere else? And since you are speaking of church, would you care to support your position scripturally? Jesus’ most “violent” act during His sojourn on earth took place in the temple.

You wrote: “I believe in capital punishment. But not vigilantism.”

When the law says it is OK to murder babies, should baby killers be suffered to operate with impunity and absent any fear of retribution, save directly from God? If your answer is yes, what about when the law says it is ok to kill Jews, to kill the deformed, to kill the elderly, or to kill you? WHEN and WHERE will YOU draw the line (if anywhere) for “vigilantism,” self-defense, or the defense of the innocent in the face of unjust laws?

You wrote: “What do you think should happen to Tiller’s murderer?”

He should be incarcerated and prosecuted, and tried before a jury of his peers. If found innocent, he should walk out a free man, if not, he should pay his debt to society, while he awaits his ultimate judgment (and reward or condemnation) before the seat of Him who judges justly.


45 posted on 06/02/2009 2:51:50 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: srweaver

I’ll address everything you’ve posited.

I’m glad you read the other posts. Now, based on that, what did I state is my stance on abortion? Am I your foe or a fellow pro-life. Additionally, did I not make certain advisements at the end of my post? I did that because I know of the disrespect that some seem compelled to show with those that they disagree. Some are very confrontational and nasty at times. I perfer civility befitting adults. It’s funny but there are those that may have a bit more knowledge of something that miss perfect opportunities to help others. Their egos get in the way.

Jesus did not throw the money changers out of the worship area or even the most sacred area of the temple. Money changers and animal sellers were the norm in the area of temples since the Jews were commanded to make animal sacrifices. Tiller’s murder was in the holiest part of the church.

I am tempted not to answer your questions about murder of innocent babies versus vigilantism because of the tone of your questioning. It is EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE! But I will try to control my offense. Of course, I DO NOT believe in killing Jews, the infirmed, the deformed, and the unborn. Vigilantism is taking the law into your own hands. But then you knew that. I know you were just “bating”. We can’t go around proclaiming that God told us to kill this person or that. As hard as it is, we live in a civilized society and therefore must operate within the laws. We have our vote and activism to change the laws. You will notice that ALL pro-life groups condemned the murder.

Well at least we can agree on the murderer’s fate.


46 posted on 06/03/2009 2:25:18 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: oneamericanvoice

Sorry if you were offended by sincere, honest debate on a discussion group. If you don’t like your ideas being challenged, perhaps you should keep them to yourself.

It is easy to talk about being pro-life, and hold that as a philosophical position.

When it comes to actually stopping evil in the world it often takes more than words or philosophies, and even more than voting and political activism.

There are times to beat your swords into plowshares...and times to beat your plowshares into swords, as history abundantly (and thankfully) illustrates.

God often chooses to solve evil in the world through violent activity, sometimes directly, as in Noah’s day and the Red Sea, and other times through His people as in the possession of Canaan. He has also ordained secular authorities (hopefully with Christian propensities, but often not) as in Romans 13. Early Christians obeyed their authorities as closely as they could and still be obedient to God (which means they often broke the law in order to obey and please God).

I didn’t ask you if you believed in killing various groups of people, I assumed you didn’t. What I did ask was at what point you would personally draw the line and disobey secular authority that was destroying innocent life or permitting its destruction. If you would like historical examples think of Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, etc. Should there have been any internal resistence to the genocidal policies of these governments...and would you assist or condemn those who resisted this government sponsored genocide? A current example is Sudan and the routine extermination of Christians in the southern part of the country.

To me, vigilantism, as a principle, is generally wrong. However, as a practical matter, depending on the nature and tone of the law(s) and how it is (they are) enforced, vigilantism can be morally correct, even if legally punishable.

The “law” was added to show sin for what it is (by God). If man’s laws do not reflect the laws of God, they can be, and often are, evil in themselves. Following, or hiding behind, unjust laws will be no excuse for disobeying God when Judgment Day comes.

As a point of correction, I understand Tiller was passing out bulletins and not in the sanctuary of his church, so I cannot make sense of your assertion that “Tiller’s murder was in the holiest part of the church.” I view each individual as either an actual or potential temple of the Holy Spirit, so I disagree with your emphasis there was something especially egregious about Tiller’s killer acting in a church foyer as compared with ANYWHERE else. Perhaps you can clarify your point by elaborating on where Tiller’s killing would have been more acceptable (or less heinous).


47 posted on 06/03/2009 5:10:16 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: srweaver
Oh, grow up. I'm not offended by "sincere, honest debate". I've been a long time poster here. Your arrogant suggestion that perhaps I should keep to myself demonstrates your insincerity and dishonesty. Honesty is based on respect, and it is clear that you don't respect anyone else's opinion that differs with yours. If you don't like what I or anyone else post then why engage. It is easy to talk about being pro-life, and hold that as a philosophical position...... The governments that you mentioned were totalitarian. You are not living under, nor fighting totalitarianism. Have you ever lived under such a regime? I think not. I am a veteran (US Army) who has stood against totalitarian regimes. Hopefully that answers what I would do. But once I took off the uniform I didn't give up the fight for America and her values. I have logged over 700 rallies. I do two each week. What about you? My view on where the murder took place was based on hearing that he was at church. I believed that to mean in the worship area. I stand by what I said. The changers that Jesus drove out weren't in the vestibule or foryer. Have you ever seen the layout of an acient temple? Might be a good project. If you don't think Let's look at this a couple of other ways. What part of a church do you consider sacred? By your statement, it seems none. Do you think it was appropriate to worshipers, some might have been children, and some were probably elderly, to be forever scared by this act of violence? Some of these folks are fellow pro-lifers. They might not have agreed with Tiller. Heck, I'll bet that some didn't know who he was. So should they be punished for his evil? BTW, God decided after the flood that he would never do such a thing again. Are you the judge of which of man's laws to obey? So what have you done to protect the unborn? Do you wish to blow up clinics? Commit murder? Overthrow the government?
48 posted on 06/04/2009 2:28:17 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: oneamericanvoice

My dear friend, you are the one being offensive. You have told me to grow up, called me arrogant, insincere, and dishonest as well as falsely accusing me of “baiting” you.

Thank you for your service in the Army.

You refused to divulge where you think it would have been less offensive for Tiller’s killer to act, but I reiterate that I don’t find buildings sacred, but people...for they are made in the image of God.

Perhaps we can have this discussion again in 35 years when 50,000,000 more innocent children have been legally slaughtered in this “non-totalitarian” regime.

THE PROTESTOR

The protester stood alone
On ground she felt should somehow be her own
It strangely wasn’t.

The authorities stood by
Oblivious to her cry
As the attacker drew ever near
His crime of violence to do.

Where could she run and hide
She tries
But there is nowhere else to go
She must remain.

In dark the knife won’t flash
But cuts as sure
And spills innocent blood upon the floor.

But just to die is not enough
She must be taken, ripped apart, limb by limb
Oh the callousness of him
Who does the deed.

But now its done
The property is clear
The protester is gone
Dismembered in a dumpster lying near.

Over and over this drama plays on
More and more of the innocent are gone
Sliently swept away
50,000,000 souls who’ve never seen the light of day.

Can no one hear their cry
Can no one feel their pain
Each time we suck their life, or let some greedy soul
Each member of the crowd must pay the toll
Spectators of a deed we might not choose
But to be involved we can’t refuse.

Silently we say “Yes”, take her away
Or rightfully we say “No” this cannot be
What will you choose, for choose you must
Will another die, or from the knife go free?

Steve Weaver

PS - What kind of “church” would offer communion to a baby killer? This was a question asked by my non-Christian friend.


49 posted on 06/04/2009 3:04:25 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: srweaver

The difference between you and me is that I am not trying to be offensive. Sweet titles and platitudes do not impress me when they are offered in a passive aggressive manner. You refuse to even consider that you have offended me. What would you call that? Perhaps you do not realize the offense you have given.

I didn’t refuse to answer anything you have asked, whereas you dodged some of my questions. I told you that those that engage in henious acts like Tiller should be dealt with the courts and die by capital punishment. It seemed that you agreed to that, and then reverted to the “let’s kill ‘em wherever they are” stance.

I told you repeatedly that I am for the unborn. It was you who questioned my authenticity. If someone had done that to you, how would you react? I lament EVERY baby that is murdered.

As for the communion to the baby killer (I consider it murder) scenario. I don’t know. Perhaps one that was trying to change Tiller’s heart by using Jesus’ example of defending a adulterer/whore.

You can’t be Christian without acknowledging the sanctity of a church and its’ grounds. A church is where God dwells. Jesus showed that and said that. Better check out the New Testiment again.

Again, I ask you. What do you plan to do to stop the murder of the unborn? What have you done, Steve?


50 posted on 06/05/2009 2:03:01 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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