Skip to comments.A Leading Abortion Foe on the Movement's Anxieties Over Tiller's Murder (Jill Stanek)
Posted on 06/01/2009 4:22:29 PM PDT by nickcarraway
I spoke this morning with Jill Stanek, a leading antiabortion activist and blogger (and active Twitterer), about what the murder of George Tiller, who was director of a Kansas clinic that performed abortions, means for her movement. The conversation provides a window into the anxieties antiabortion activists are feeling today:
Do you worry that Tiller's murder will tarnish the antiabortion movement at a time when more Americans than ever are calling themselves "pro-life"?
It's a personal tragedy that a vigilante killed a guy who has, I think, four kids and 10 grandchildren. As a pro-life movement, our whole reason for existence is to try to stop the killing of human beings. The other side [the pro-abortion rights movement], whose very core is violence and which promotes and profits from violence, has tried for years to peg us as the violent ones. And then something like this happens.
The timing is so bad. [Tiller] was due to retire soon. He was under investigation for his license from the Kansas State Board of Healing Arts. And for him to be killed in his churchit's not good.
What's the fallout for the antiabortion movement?
Already we've seen the pro-abortion movement try to exploit this, which is not a surprise. [President Obama's chief of staff] Rahm Emanuel is famous for saying, "Never let a crisis go wasted" and already we're seeing talk of the Justice Department and [Attorney General] Eric Holder calling in forces to protect the abortion forces and clinics, and we're going to see moves to attempt to stifle free speech. It now falls to the pro-life movement to protect the First Amendment.
The pro-life movement is the most peaceful social justice movement in American history. There are a thousand abortion clinics and small groups of protesters outside many of them and nothing ever happens, except that some pro-lifers get run over by pro-aborts [pro-abortion rights activists]. So this is so ironic. There has never been a social justice movement that has been totally focused on saving human lives, as opposed to expanding voting rights or other rights, like the pro-life movement is.
Do you know anything about the suspect in the killing, Scott Roeder?
The killer was not part of our movement. No one knows who he was. He was a crackpot, just like the killer of Martin Luther King was a crackpot. The civil rights movement wasn't blamed for the heightened tension that led to the death of Martin Luther King. And what we're seeing is the corollary.
Has there been a concerted strategizing effort on the part of antiabortion groups to respond to the Tiller murder?
I can't say anything about that.... But I have never seen so many immediate responses from pro-life groups, basically all saying the same thing: We condemn the killing of innocent human beings, including George Tiller. I have never seen anything like this, such an outpouring of one voice.
Operation Rescue founder Randall Terry has made a pretty unapologetic statement about the killing. Where does Terry fit into the antiabortion movement?
The pro-life groups in general don't consider him part of their network. He would not be included on conference calls, for instance. He's got a history. Some of the thing he says are pretty brilliant, but then he goes off.
Why the fuss?
It was just a late term abortion.
He still gets to vote in every states elections.
Are you going to call Jill Stanek an Obama-supporting pro-abortionist?
“He still gets to vote in every states elections.”
I understand ACORN has already registered him to vote in OH, IL and IN...
Pardon the length of this, and some of its directness...but, IMHO, it needs saying and contemplating.
We live in an era where the most violent, brutal, sick, depraved atrocity is being accepted by far too many in our society as "ok" and common place, because they have been protected by corrupt law.
Sooner or later, the scales of history, nature, and nature's God will be balanced and corrected on this matter.
God in Heaven will not stand forever by and allow the unmitigatd slaughter and genocide of his most innocent children to go unanswered.
We MUST continue to do all in our power to turn this around...but every day we are not successful in so doing, another approximately 3,300 living souls are butchered...and I mean butchered in the most littoral sense.
Most of us are not acquanited with the extent or graphic nature of the butchery that is going on in American, protected by corrupt law. Most do not want to be acquainted with it. Pardon the graphic nature of the following photo...but this is what is going on every day, thousands of time a day, across this nation:
That is the gruesome truth of what is occuring. App. 3,300 a day, app. 1.2 million per year. Over 50 million to date.
Dr. Tiller trafficed in that type of gruesome death and profited from it. He was worse than Dr. Mengle or Goebbles of Germany. He advertised for it, he revelled in it.
Some people say that there are only perhaps three valid reasons to commit violence against others:
1) In a justified war.
2) To protect your own life and liberty, or that of those dear to you.
3) To protect your property.
For years the Islamic Jihadists were at war with us and we did not treat it as such. It took a dastardly major attack to swing the pendulm...and then only for a short while.
I fear greatly for our nation when I realize that not even the gruesome death of 50 million has produced in ourselves as a society the will to FORCE this to stop. Perhaps we should realize that the culture of death has been at war with us for over 45 years...and the death toll has been staggering.
When will be the proper time to respond with force? After 65 million? After 100 millon?
Or perhaps it will be after they open live-abortion centers all across this land where people can bring in their unwanted children who are mentally challeged, physically challenged, or just too inconvienent up to 24 months to be "disposed of". Will that be the right time?
Don't kid yourself, there are forces and voices in this country pushing towards that type of thing.
We should all ask ourslves these questions because it is the stark reality of what is going on...and then seriously think about and pray about the answers.
Clearly, in Nazi Germany, in the 1930s, the time to stop what that culture of death produced there was long before the concentration and death camps wer created.
Well, we have death clinics already in place all over this land, and have had for decades
And do not try and say it is not the same. What we are seeing done here under color of law, IMHO, is even worse. Slaughtering the most defenseless souls amongst us, those with no choice, and no ability to avoid it. Can't run, can't hide...can only utter a silent scream within the very wound of their mother as they are literally ripped asunder.
I pray we can halt this genocide and slaughter in the court of public opinion and at the ballot box.
But our forefather's hoped the same thing over slavery (on both sides) until the bloodletting came. I fear God in Heaven will already hold us all, our entire society, reponsible for the magnitude of this evil.
I know this...if it ever does come to a war over this topic, I know excatly what side I will be on.
If, God forid, it does come to that...and with the evil depravity that has gotten ahold of so many hearts amongst on this issue (like, "I don't want my children punished with a baby"), I fear it may well.
Then like John Brown, we may find that this individual, who "went to war" at a time when it was clerly illegal to do so (though it is legal for the butchers to rip those children apart for profit), was on the right side of history after all.
Eh, no. Tiller was not innocent. By this assassination he was deprived due process, which would have taken into consideration the present-day Row v. Wade regime. But innocent he was not.
This picture is extremely offensive and no one shoulc have to see it. I am pro life but this is beyond discusting. It should be removed.
It is also the truth of what we have allowed to grow up among us.
I am sure the mods will remove it.
But it is the reality of what we face...the sickening, depraved, murder and dismemberment of children. ...and sadly, tragically, will probably continue until a far greter respone and bloodletting is the only way to stop it, as our forefathers experienced 138 years ago on another moral issue of the time.
I pray it is not so, that we can stop it otherwise...but I fear it is coming.
The MSM will forget about it in a week.
Ooops...that’s 148 years ago.
I don’t think you people support Obama. I think you do his work for him.
You won’t answer my question. What do you want conservatives to do about this?
Must we become pro-abortion to satisfy you?
Goodness knows no one else in the media will show the true meaning of abortion.
Tiller took the lives of 60 thousand of these little ones....about the size of the one in your picture....
...Most of the nation would rather bury their heads in the sand and pretend a 'fetus' isn't really a living, breathing baby.
Your picture is truly worth a thousand words.
We dare not hide our heads in the sand or cringe away from the God awful truth of this genocide.
Our Savior sees and experiences the gruesome, awful nature of each horrid death of each of these, His little ones...and we would call ourselves by His name.
Tiller, who himself killed tens of thousands of little fully formed babies like that picture depicts, will now murder no more of them.
What in the world would be the response from the viewing audience?
This is what the man did on a daily basis....
This is the product of abortion.
Many others would turn away, not wanting to know or see the truth.
But the truth will come out...it is coming out, as it must for the scales of histroy and justice to ultimatley be balanced...as they will sooner or later.
God in Heaven sees every bit of it and it cannot be hid.
..we'll see how long the mods leave it.
Truth hurts. Don't like it? Tough.
The picture is just bytes in a file on a server somewhere. How can bytes be offensive?
No, what's offensive is the reality depicted by the picture.
We should look at it.
We should all look at it.
We should remember that that's what "I'm pro-choice" means.
We should remember that "personally against, but" means tolerating *this*.
We should remember what God says and does about nations that sacrifice little children to false gods.
Because He's doing it to us, right now.
Don't think that we don't deserve Obama. Don't think that we don't deserve to watch our economy tank. Don't think that we don't deserve to watch our freedoms and our Constitution go down the toilet. Don't think that we don't deserve to have our country invaded by foreigners who don't share our values. Don't think that we don't deserve to be attacked by terrorists who claim to be doing God's will.
We do. We've earned it, by tolerating this.
Look at him or her. Look long and hard. He is America's condemnation, the place where he died is our Auschwitz, and Roe v. Wade is our epitaph as a free nation.
What George Tiller did in his abortuaries was begun as a way to stop dismembering the little ones while still in the woman's body, because someone had to count the parts and make sure nothing of the dismembered little one was left in the female's body to cause sepsis.
The extraction of a living baby of under eighteen weeks often results in the baby literally coming apart/being ripped apart while still alive.
A demonic medical person came up with the idea of waiting until the alive baby is twenty or more weeks of age because their connective tissues are more hearty and able to be yanked on to remove the whole child from the woman's body. BUT that would then be committing infanticide to kill a child forceably ripped from the womb, alive, so the medical demon worked on a way to kill the child right before being fully born.
Our current affirmative action figure fraud-in-chief actually worked to protect a similar method for killing the alive womb-bound children via forcing these alive and otherwise unharmed children to be born prematurely so they would succumb once removed from the woman's life support ... and as Jill Stanek has testified before Congress, some of these little ones struggle for hours before finally dying, alone, unattended.
It's not difficult to see why Barry Soetoro considers the murder of the serial murderer 'an act of violence' ... Barry didn't consider 'forcing premature birth then killing via neglect' to be violence against the alive unborn.
I doubt anyone has the nerve to ask the despicable fraud-in-chief if he considered what Tiller did to those tens-of-thousands of alive unborn to be 'violence'. Obowma is a despicable fraud.
Excellent posts of that picture and your commentary. Abortion is a monsterous crime and people need to see the truth of how evil it truly is.