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State moves to restrict Catholics in politics
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | June 01, 2009 | Drew Zahn

Posted on 06/02/2009 4:04:21 AM PDT by Man50D

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Bridgeport in Connecticut has filed a federal lawsuit following assertions by a state official that rallying church members at the Capitol in Hartford constitutes a violation of lobbying law.

Six weeks after 4,000 Catholics in Connecticut rallied in opposition to a proposed state law known as Bill 1098, which dictated local parishes reorganize their governing structures to substitute lay leaders for priests in oversight of finances , the Diocese of Bridgeport received a letter from Connecticut's Office of State Ethics informing it that an investigation was underway to ascertain if the diocese had violated state law by failing to register as a lobbyist organization.

"Following the surprise introduction of Bill 1098," said Diocese Bishop William E. Lori in a statement, "a proposal that singled out Catholic parishes and would have forced them to reorganize contrary to church law and the First Amendment, our diocese responded in the most natural, spontaneous, and frankly, American, of ways: we alerted our membership – in person and through our website ; we encouraged them to exercise their free speech by contacting their elected representatives; and we organized a rally at the State Capitol. How can this possibly be called lobbying?"

Nonetheless, the lawsuit states, in a meeting with church representatives one month following the investigation letter, the ethics enforcement officer of the state OSE, Thomas K. Jones, told church representatives that the rally in Hartford and statements on the diocese website constituted a sufficient basis to file a complaint.

Consequently, a complaint from Jones could lead to imposition of a $10,000 fine and even possible criminal charges against the diocese. Furthermore, to become a registered lobbyist, the diocese would have to comply with reporting requirements, submit to audits and wear badges at the Capitol.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: anticatholicism; apa; bigotry; bishoplori; bridgeport; catholic; catholics; catholocism; christianity; dioceseofbridgeport; homoagendaalert; homosexualagenda; knownothing; unconstitutional
I contacted my state Representative via phone and email to let him know this was another blatant attempt to stifle free speech. I insisted he contact the OSE to end this violation of the first amendment. I told his aide I will call back later in the week.
1 posted on 06/02/2009 4:04:21 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: Man50D

What’s the background on Thomas K. Jones?


2 posted on 06/02/2009 4:13:51 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: Man50D

Silly me! I thought lobbyists were people who offered a government representative campaign money for voting for the lobbyist’s cause.


3 posted on 06/02/2009 4:19:24 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: Man50D

Thisispretty damned extreme. They are attacking a Church’s right to exist as a free entity.


4 posted on 06/02/2009 4:23:36 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Man50D

These activities are clearly protected by the First Amendment; anyone who raise objections based on petty legalisms should not occupy any position requiring an education. or affording him any sort of legal or moral authority.


5 posted on 06/02/2009 4:25:59 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: Man50D

Sounds as if it’s time to clean the Connecticut Legislature.

On a related note:
Support Rob Simmons for Chris Dodd’s US Senate seat.

http://www.icontribute.us/robsimmons/initiative/qpolltwit


6 posted on 06/02/2009 5:17:30 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann in 2012. With Liz Cheney as Secretary of State.)
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To: Man50D
“Anti-Catholicism”...the last “safe” bigotry in America.

Lets see how long it takes for the FR anti-Catholic crowd to show up...

7 posted on 06/02/2009 5:20:12 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Salvation; NYer; narses; A.A. Cunningham

ping


8 posted on 06/02/2009 5:20:50 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
Catholic Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


9 posted on 06/02/2009 6:01:40 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: Man50D

Liberals like these jerks in Connecticut simply do not believe in the notions of freedom of religion or freedom of speech on which our country was established.


10 posted on 06/02/2009 6:19:24 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: HighlyOpinionated

>>Sounds as if it’s time to clean the Connecticut Legislature.

That will be very difficult. Half the seats don’t even have opposition candidates—in my city, only 1 of the 2 seats had a challenger. In our case, the local GOP candidate is a young, dedicated member of the community and he beat the incumbent. But, for example, the only GOP candidate for mayor of Hartford (the capital) in the last election just changed his party affiliation because in his words ‘a GOP candidate can’t win in this city’, so he switched to oust the mayor from inside the donkey party.

We are becoming a complete one-party state. Not a Democrat stronghold or majority, a Democrat tyranny.


11 posted on 06/02/2009 6:34:35 AM PDT by Betis70 (Keep working serf, Zero's in charge)
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To: nutmeg

CT ping.


12 posted on 06/02/2009 6:35:51 AM PDT by Betis70 (Keep working serf, Zero's in charge)
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To: Man50D

There’s a reason it’s called the Nutmeg State.


13 posted on 06/02/2009 6:53:22 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Man50D
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

14 posted on 06/02/2009 7:56:20 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Man50D
If they come after Catholics, who will be next?

First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

Community and individuality are not opposites. People cannot survive on their own. When the odds are stacked against you, you must rally with the oppressed and hated.

When a growing oppressive regime is taking hold, you must act, otherwise you will soon face your enemy alone and hopeless.

Strength of community is a strength as much as individualism, as long you are willing to face weaknesses in your own community. Ignoring slacking values will mean that you will be rallied against by those you oppress.

Niemöller affirms we must rally against unhealthy organized regimes. We must also stay vigilant with those that appear to be good natured, as all organisation attracts corruption. Niemöller also warns us that if it is you who are corrupt, then you will face a stronger combined force of foe!
Vexen Crabtree

15 posted on 06/02/2009 9:08:17 AM PDT by Salvation ( With God all things are possible.)
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To: Man50D

Lay persons are taking over more and more aspects of the church and this, imo, is not a good thing. The priests are largely unaware of their machinations.

Also, in this way, the church in America strays farther and farther from doctrine. There is an attitude: the church belongs to us, we ARE the church. That is not exactly true. Priests are trained and consecrated to duties and rites only they can perform.

Moreover, WTH is govt doing “dictating” to the church in these matters. More evidence of communist agenda infiltration, in my view.

Fudge the rules and it’s not the Catholic church anymore.


16 posted on 06/02/2009 12:59:05 PM PDT by La Enchiladita ("You ain't seen nuthin' yet!!," B. Hussein Obama, the 20th Hijacker)
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To: Man50D

added CT to the topics list


17 posted on 06/02/2009 1:47:35 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: Man50D
SPECIAL LIBERTY ALERT!
The Liberty Sphere | May 30, 2009 | Anthony G. Martin
FR Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2009 by Welshman007

WHITE HOUSE MOVES TO SILENCE CRITICS OF THE STIMULUS PROGRAM! FRONTAL ATTACK ON FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS! (Excerpt) Read more at thelibertysphere.blogspot.com ...

From the WH Blog link: Following OMB’s review, the Administration has decided to make a number of changes to the rules that we think make them even tougher on special interests and more focused on merits-based decision making. First, we will expand the restriction on oral communications to cover all persons, not just federally registered lobbyists. For the first time, we will reach contacts not only by registered lobbyists but also by unregistered ones, as well as anyone else exerting influence on the process. We concluded this was necessary under the unique circumstances of the stimulus program.

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ANALYSIS A new White House policy on permissible lobbying on economic recovery and stimulus project has taken a decidedly anti-First Amendment turn. It’s a classic illustration of Big Government trying to control every aspect of a particular activity and in the process running up against civil liberty. Check out this passage from a post on the White House blog by Norm Eisen, Special Counsel to the President on Ethics and Government Reform (emphasis added): “First, we will expand the restriction on oral communications to cover all persons, not just federally registered lobbyists. For the first time, we will reach contacts not only by registered lobbyists but also by unregistered ones, as well as anyone else exerting influence on the process. We concluded this was necessary under the unique circumstances of the stimulus program. Further, The key passage is the reference to expanding regulation from registered lobbyists to “anyone else exerting influence on the process. We concluded this was necessary under the unique circumstances of the stimulus program.” This is the Camel’s nose under the tent….......

18 posted on 06/02/2009 2:06:35 PM PDT by Liz (When people fear govt, we have tyranny; when govt fears the people, we have freedom.)
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To: All
A jaw-dropping policy the White House released late on a Saturday afternoon........hoping we won't notice? How can this be legal?

"Following OMB’s review, the Obama Administration has decided to make a number of changes to the rules that we think make them even tougher on special interests and more focused on merits-based decision making. First, we will expand the restriction on oral communications to cover all persons, not just federally registered lobbyists. For the first time, we will reach contacts not only by registered lobbyists but also by unregistered ones, as well as anyone else exerting influence on the process. We concluded this was necessary under the unique circumstances of the stimulus program."

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FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE US: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

19 posted on 06/02/2009 2:14:06 PM PDT by Liz (When people fear govt, we have tyranny; when govt fears the people, we have freedom.)
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To: Venturer
Thisispretty damned extreme. They are attacking a Church’s right to exist as a free entity.

Clearly a violation of separation of church and state. It also looks like harrassing people for their religous beliefs. The diocese should sue the "suers" I think this is about gay marriage actually. It's gays harrasing the church because of her opposition to gay marriage. Gay storm troopers go about looking fo things to complain about against parishes. One batch of them moved into a neighborhood in Chicago and then filed a complaint about the parish church's bells ringing. Once they got the Church to stop ringing the bells, they (gay storm troopers)suddenly moved out.

20 posted on 06/02/2009 7:20:00 PM PDT by virgil
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To: SumProVita
What’s the background on Thomas K. Jones?

Homo?

21 posted on 06/02/2009 7:21:10 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Man50D
Is this a “real” bill, or one that is not going to leave committee. If real, then get a lawyer and sue.
22 posted on 06/02/2009 7:35:53 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
Is this a “real” bill, or one that is not going to leave committee. If real, then get a lawyer and sue.

This isn't a bill. It is a letter sent from the state of Connecticut's Office Of State Ethics in an effort to intimidate the church and silence their first amendment rights.
23 posted on 06/02/2009 7:39:00 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

24 posted on 06/02/2009 7:39:57 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: Man50D

Then call the Thomas More law center, and start a counter offensive.

Stop being nice, start being good.


25 posted on 06/02/2009 7:43:53 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: narses

Here we go again. I thought they learned their lesson the first time around.


26 posted on 06/02/2009 7:49:54 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: redgolum
Stop being nice, start being good.

Good idea. I did contact my state Rep. and Senator's offices. I let their aids understand in no uncertain terms the actions by the state are at the very least reprehensible as this act of intimidation is a deliberate attempt to silence a dissenting point of view and therefore violates the church's first amendment rights and could be used on other groups if it is allowed to happen. I also called a local radio show and urged listeners to get involved.
27 posted on 06/02/2009 7:51:42 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Venturer

Oh btw, I bet the mosques will not be affected.

OT,

POTUS speaks Arabic in Riyadh
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2263825/posts

- Sigh, I know, anyone can know a few words... take this:

Obama: Man of the World

Snip:

“I was a little Jakarta street kid,” he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office (excerpts are on my blog, www.nytimes.com/ontheground). He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them.

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

Moreover, Mr. Obama’s own grandfather in Kenya was a Muslim. Mr. Obama never met his grandfather and says he isn’t sure if his grandfather’s two wives were simultaneous or consecutive, or even if he was Sunni or Shiite. (O.K., maybe Mr. Obama should just give up on Alabama.)

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=1

Figures, an article yesterday stated O wants to split Jerusalem.


28 posted on 06/03/2009 11:42:04 AM PDT by AliVeritas (I wake up, the evil one cries.)
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