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Judge Bans Bible from Pennsylvania Kindergarten Show and Tell
Foxnews ^ | 6/1/2009 | Staff

Posted on 06/02/2009 6:40:54 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

PHILADELPHIA — A U.S. court says a kindergartner's mother cannot read Scripture during show and tell, even if the Bible is the boy's favorite book.

Monday's ruling is a victory for the Marple Newtown School District in suburban Philadelphia.

The 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals says the school's decision does not violate First Amendment rights given the nonpublic nature of the classroom and the tender age of the children.

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KEYWORDS: bible; christianstudents; kindergarten; ruling
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1 posted on 06/02/2009 6:40:54 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

Why would a Christian parent send her children to a government school?


2 posted on 06/02/2009 6:43:57 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Red in Blue PA

For at least 50 years now we have had judges just saying whatever they want the law to be, is what it is.


3 posted on 06/02/2009 6:44:09 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Red in Blue PA

Following show and tell is the mandatory Islam Awareness coloring activity.


4 posted on 06/02/2009 6:44:30 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Psalm 1:1
Blessed is the man
who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked
or stand in the way of sinners
or sit in the seat of mockers.

(or send his children there)


5 posted on 06/02/2009 6:45:49 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Red in Blue PA
More idiocyfrom a group that couldn't find its butt if it tried.
6 posted on 06/02/2009 6:46:12 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Mr. Lucky
Maybe that's the only thing they can afford. Not everybody has the money for private school.

The point is not that the parent sent the child to a public school, it is that the judge is a criminal and needs to be removed from office. He has clearly violated the Constitution.
7 posted on 06/02/2009 6:47:29 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Liz Cheney for President!.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
and the tender age of the children

The same "tender age" at which the Alameda schools are going to teach homsexuality?

8 posted on 06/02/2009 6:47:48 AM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: Red in Blue PA
I went in to my kid's kindergarten class in my Army uniform. We talked about the Army and we all ate some MRE’s (I know, child abuse, but kids LOVE MREs - it is like a Christmas present).

Anyways, it was near the end of the end and parents were coming in to pick up their kids. I overheard a few talking with the teacher on “What is the military doing here?” and “We need to bring in an environmentalist to balance him out!”

Oh brother!

9 posted on 06/02/2009 6:50:35 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Monday’s ruling is a victory for the Marple Newtown School District in suburban Philadelphia”

Suppression of free speech is a victory?


10 posted on 06/02/2009 6:52:48 AM PDT by relictele
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To: FreepShop1

It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. —Luke 17:2


11 posted on 06/02/2009 6:53:06 AM PDT by dmcnash (y)
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To: Red in Blue PA
A U.S. court says a kindergartner's mother cannot read Scripture during show and tell, even if the Bible is the boy's favorite book.

We need to contact this mother. She needs to come in and read the Bible, and get arrested if need be. We need to have folks jammed into the school that day to support her, and then right on to the Supreme Court. We will WIN this case...we just need to get some light on it. This is a slam dunk. The Appeals court far overstepped its bounds, and violated the 1st and 10th Amendements.

12 posted on 06/02/2009 6:53:23 AM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: Mr. Lucky
Why would a Christian ANY parent send her children to a government school?

There, fixed it.

13 posted on 06/02/2009 6:54:09 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Red in Blue PA

The little ones are too impressionable to hear anything from the Bible, but they must be exposed to the notion of homosexual relationships, so that they will accept it as normal.


14 posted on 06/02/2009 6:54:33 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: FreepShop1

But homosexuality isn’t as dangerous as Christianity... /libspeak


15 posted on 06/02/2009 6:54:39 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Sudetenland

Any sober, married parent can afford to send his or her children to a Christian school. Maybe not an elitist sort of country day school, but a school where Christ is worshipped, God’s law is honored, and, not incidentally, little minds are educated.


16 posted on 06/02/2009 6:55:15 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: holdonnow; mware; Congressman Billybob

Someone has to explain this to me.


17 posted on 06/02/2009 6:55:41 AM PDT by AliVeritas (I wake up, the evil one cries.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
How can a publicly created and funded PUBLIC SCHOOL CLASSROOM possibly have a “nonpublic nature”?
18 posted on 06/02/2009 6:57:21 AM PDT by Dr.Syn
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To: Mr. Lucky

things sure have changed. I went to a public school, and we had bible study, a literature class, but none the less bible study.


19 posted on 06/02/2009 6:57:55 AM PDT by television is just wrong (one bad ass mistake America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Sometimes believers choose to do this, we must all consider what God desires from us. I have one in public school and one that we homeschool. I know my older is a light in a dark place. She is well grounded and knows what she believes. We also live in a conservative pocket in a liberal state. I just ask you to bit paint with a broad brush.


20 posted on 06/02/2009 6:59:51 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Mr. Lucky

Maybe where you live. I’ve lived in a number of places with no private school of any sort.


21 posted on 06/02/2009 6:59:53 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr. Lucky
You are missing the point. The parent is already paying to have her child go to school...it's called taxation.

We are rapidly approaching the time when the citizens are going to be forced to take action against these judges through extra-judicial means. Some of these Liberal, America and God hating judges need to be taken out of their offices and hung in the public square...not that I would ever advocate such an action.
22 posted on 06/02/2009 7:00:16 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Liz Cheney for President!.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
This judge violated the First Amendment, and should be taken to task. He, of all people, is forbidden to rule either for or against religion.
23 posted on 06/02/2009 7:00:50 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Mr. Lucky

Right with ya. Both kids, Catholic Schools 8 years worth. This judge fits the mold of educated way beyond his intelligence. They see the 1st ammendment as “freedom from religion”.
Change.


24 posted on 06/02/2009 7:01:50 AM PDT by Texas resident (Texan by birth and by choice.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals says the school's decision does not violate First Amendment rights given the nonpublic nature of the classroom and the tender age of the children.

Ping for later

25 posted on 06/02/2009 7:06:25 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Mr Rogers

>>Maybe where you live. I’ve lived in a number of places with no private school of any sort.<<

I homeschool for 150.00 a year. CD-Rom based.
And the nice thing about homeschooling is it doesn’t have to be 9-5.
I know single moms who get the kids work done when they are home. Understanding that my girls are two years ahead and get their work done in three hours, anyone can homeschool.


26 posted on 06/02/2009 7:06:55 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Monday’s ruling is a victory for the Marple Newtown School District in suburban Philadelphia.”

It is a loss, however, for the entire planet.

Spirit takes another one in the neck. How long before the Center of Spirit decides to strike back?


27 posted on 06/02/2009 7:07:04 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

I don’t have all that much of a problem with the decision in that the matter should be left up to the principal.

What is concerning is that if the principal did decide to allow the reading, would the court have backed him up? I doubt it.

And would the principal have as aggressively intervened if the Muslim parent read from the Koran or a Jewish parent read from Exodus? I’m not so sure.


28 posted on 06/02/2009 7:07:15 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Better to convert enemies to allies than to destroy them)
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To: Sudetenland

>>You are missing the point. The parent is already paying to have her child go to school...it’s called taxation. <<

Truth be told.
But I consider it a wash. I’m actually educating the other skulls full of mush so my kids don’t have to deal with a bunch of dummies when they are older.

But I educate my own kids.


29 posted on 06/02/2009 7:08:41 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Sudetenland
OK, so she's made her value judgment. Her tax rate is more important than her children's Christian education. If you'll excuse the metaphor, this seems a little bit like someone refusing to leave the Titanic because they paid so much for the price of a first class ticket.

Look, the judge is an arrogant self centered pig whose ruling finds no support whatever in the Constitution or the original intent of the founders. But, this mother has the ability to immediately remove her children from this Godless (no, anti-God) environment and then has the rest of her life to do battle with navel gazing judges.

30 posted on 06/02/2009 7:09:01 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Red in Blue PA
I guess I would want to know more about the facts in this case. I know if the kid's favorite book were the Koran, I wouldn't just not want it read to my five year-old, I would want the Koran kid expelled.

ML/NJ

31 posted on 06/02/2009 7:09:29 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Red in Blue PA
How can a school district be of a nonpublic nature?

The activist judges had to reaaaaaaly stretch credulity on that one.

32 posted on 06/02/2009 7:09:33 AM PDT by rvoitier (John Boehner--Neville Chamberlin of the 21st century.)
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To: Dr.Syn
lol, see #32.

What's going on here is anti-Christian activist judges and they were going to rule against the boy, by taking away his 1st Amendment rights, one way or the other / by hook or by crook.

33 posted on 06/02/2009 7:12:28 AM PDT by rvoitier (John Boehner--Neville Chamberlin of the 21st century.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Monday's ruling is a victory for the Marple Newtown School District in suburban Philadelphia.

If Monday's ruling is a victory for the Marple Newtown School District in suburban Philadelphia, then the Marple Newtown School District in an Enemy of the Republic.

At this point in the decline of our Republic, why mince words? Tell the truth: They are an Enemy of the Republic.

34 posted on 06/02/2009 7:12:46 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: 2banana

you are KIDDING? that is insanity!


35 posted on 06/02/2009 7:14:23 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Red in Blue PA

What if it was a Koran?


36 posted on 06/02/2009 7:17:47 AM PDT by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Monday's ruling is a victory for

Sentences I didn't finish.

37 posted on 06/02/2009 7:17:52 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: savedbygrace

You are right. And I’d bet anything that this same judge wouldn’t have a problem with these children of “tender years” being read to from “Heather Has Two Mommies” or the like.


38 posted on 06/02/2009 7:18:11 AM PDT by mrsmel (Put the Gitmo terrorists near Capitol Hill.)
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To: mc5cents

It’s a temporary victory for Satan and his minions. It’s only temporary, because his time is getting short. His wrath is increasing in light of that knowledge.


39 posted on 06/02/2009 7:19:54 AM PDT by mrsmel (Put the Gitmo terrorists near Capitol Hill.)
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To: coop71

Is that a rhetorical question?


40 posted on 06/02/2009 7:20:49 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (http://ccwsaveslives.blogspot.com/)
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To: dmcnash
"It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. —Luke 17:2

The ultimate crime and the ultimate sin is teaching children to hate. It causes all the trouble in the world without exception. It destroys cultures, sanity, peace, and all that is good. It perpetuates itself down the generations, and it is almost impossible to stop. May God have mercy on us.

41 posted on 06/02/2009 7:24:15 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: AliVeritas

To put this in perspective:

How would you feel if I said my kid’s favorite book was the Talmud or some other Jewish text (which it is), and I selected passages that excoriated polytheists like Christians as horrid heretics who corrupt the Torah, and fail to worship G-d?*

Or muslims who select the koran, and they read the passages that claim Jesus merely “swooned” and did not die and that Jews and Christians are the sons of apes and dogs?

Or the book of mormon that preaches that Christians are all wrong, that the “trinity” does not exist, but is three distinct people, and Mary had physical sex with some being to create Jesus?

Or perhaps read portions of the Protestant Bible that says Jesus had brothers and sisters, and Roman Catholics are all wet about Mary’s permanant virignity?

Or maybe even some Scientologist tract about Xenu and space aliens and mental implants?

This is a real problem. There is a concerted effort by violent muslim sects to seek converts, especially in US Prison. The efforts are well-funded by Gulf nations.

The muslim efforts focus now in black areas, with some considerable success (witness the recent convert who killed Army recruiters).

Opening the door to the goose, lets in the gander, too.

Ergo, this is a correct ruling.

* A foul position I do not take, but posit for the purpose of argument.


42 posted on 06/02/2009 7:29:27 AM PDT by Jewbacca (Yes, I am very hairy and good with small arms.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Religious persecution is under way in America and the wheat will be separated from the chaff. The church will survive, perhaps smaller but definitely stronger.


43 posted on 06/02/2009 7:31:17 AM PDT by TexasRepublic
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To: Red in Blue PA

No. I anticipate an answer. If it were a Koran in question, and not a Bible, what would be the responses here at FR? Happy? Relieved? Outraged?


44 posted on 06/02/2009 7:34:10 AM PDT by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Hmmm, I wonder how this would have turned out if I had sued my school district for allowing a Muslim mother to come in to my daughter’s kindergarten class and read from the Quran, discuss Ramadan, give them gifts, write their names in Arabic and (my personal favorite) tell the kids that the best part of Christmas is the presents and parties, just like Ramadan.

I just happened to be in the classroom volunteering, or I would have never known about this happening, because the parents weren’t notified of this action. He changed the school policy so that no one was allowed to come in and discuss religion without parental consent and notification.

The ironic thing is that the Muslims always pulled their kids out of the parties at school. They had notice about things the school did that offended their religious principals, and were able to opt out. This Muslim woman and the school district obviously didn’t agree that Christians and Jews should be afforded the same respect.

This happened ten years ago, and it still makes me mad. But, if I had sued, I am sure it would have gone a different way since it would have been a Christian making the complaint.


45 posted on 06/02/2009 7:35:27 AM PDT by erkyl (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office --Aesop (~550 BC))
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To: Mr. Lucky

Once again, you assume that she has the wherewithall to pay for attendance to a private school. Interesting that you know so much about her financial situation. It must be nice to be wealthy. Too bad you’ve lost touch with the rest of us and what it costs for us to live.


46 posted on 06/02/2009 7:38:04 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Liz Cheney for President!.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

I don’t know what it costs in your neck of the woods, by in Houston, you have to have an additional $1000/month to send your kid to a Christian school.


47 posted on 06/02/2009 7:44:40 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Liz Cheney for President!.)
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To: Sudetenland

Let’s not play that game. Everyone who wants to has the financial wherewithall to provide a Christian education to her children. In my neighborhood, for instance there are any number of separate, organized Christian school systems: Catholic, Lutheran (LCMS), Lutheran (ELCA) Southern Baptist, Amish, and a boatload of non-denominational. Every school offers tuition assistance (up to and including 100% assistance). Parents must make a basic value judgment: “is the new car (boat, snowmobile , girlfriend, etc.) more important than my child’s Christian education?”.


48 posted on 06/02/2009 7:51:47 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

Whatever you say, cluless.


49 posted on 06/02/2009 7:53:40 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Liz Cheney for President!.)
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To: Salvation

ping


50 posted on 06/02/2009 7:54:24 AM PDT by AliVeritas (I wake up, the evil one cries.)
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